Why did Nintendo ruin the Paper Mario series?

Why did Nintendo ruin the Paper Mario series?

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No partners, Toads only, Final Destination.

>it's been 13 fucking years since this game
i liked super paper mario but it wasn't the same

I thought Bowser was just a generic meme villain

until I played the mario RPG's.

and now I feel conflicted because I'm already faithful to one husbando

Color Splash was fine

No, it wasn't.

paper bowser isn´t husbando material
mario and luigi bowser is

(A)
So long, gay bowser
(A)
Wa-hoo!

Yes it was, you are wrong

Sticker Star is the best selling PM in Japan and second worldwide.

In terms of bowser:
M&L > LotSS > PM

In terms of the entire game:
PM = LotSS >>> M&L

Explain how it was fine then
Source?

Because Miyamoto can't grasp the concept of having two Mario RPG series, so M&L became the RPG series, while Paper Mario became...whatever.

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>inb4 >vgchartz

No it wasn't. If you're going to go to bat for the game, then go to fucking bat.

>Source
lazy user
google it

name literally one country on this planet with worse taste than japan.

America

it was a solid 7/10 and it's only flaw was the battle system was cumbersome

CS is gorgeous.

writing isn't anywhere near as entertaining as the first two and the battle system being bad is a huge flaw, not something you can easily overlook
>m-muh grafix

Europe

thing is the 3ds sold more than the gamecube, even back in 2012
sticker star did worse than ttyd relative to its install base
Tell us what you liked about it then, just throwing a number out doesn't change anyone's mind

>the battle system being bad

Where's your argument?

India

>writing isn't anywhere near as entertaining as the first two
this is why you can´t argue with TTYD fags
>battle system being bad
>implying

I'm not trying to change anyone's mind though, you can understand a viewpoint without agreeing with it. You can dislike it if you want.

Also this, it looks incredible

I'd say the writing was actually pretty entertaining, and the paint bucket was a good companion. it also wasnt nearly as carbon copy toads as Sticker Star was

>the paint bucket was a good companion.
doesn't hold a candle to any of the partners from the first two
>wasnt nearly as carbon copy toads as Sticker Star was
"its only a little bit less shit"

Argument for what? Battle system is the same in 64, TTYD and CS.

>this is why you can´t argue with TTYD fags
Yeah, you have yet to present an actual argument
>>battle system being bad
>>implying
not an argument.
Its this fag again.
Every fucking thread.

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>defending sticker star style battle system
>player is punished for entering battle
>attacks are limited use, even the basic fucking jump attack, meaning if you have no cards you're fucked
>no level up system
okay now i know you're baiting

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He does this every time someone shit talks CS. He just starts spamming screenshots to make it look like people are discussing the game instead of trashing it.
Literally the same strategy that XV-kun uses.

Okay, you have no arguments other than "but the first two!" and then you're accusing everyone else of saying nothing.

None of your points actually address the game, just compare it to other ones. Unless you think CS cant be good unless it's as good as the first ones

The other guy is right, this IS why you cant argue with TTYDfags

I'm pretty sure Miyamoto doesn't directly work on the Mario rpgs.

We've already discussed to death why CS sucks. Attacks are consumable items, it doesn't have partners, the battle system is stripped down and simplified, doesn't have badges, only has Toad NPCs.
I also find it funny that some people have some weird hateboner for TTYD. Are you just jealous that the actually good game was well received and still liked, while your shit game was forgotten immediately upon release and hated?

CS doesnt have Sticker Star's battle system, you dont get punished for attacking, because you increase your paint meter by fighting

>being this mad in each CS thread

Where does SPM fall in all this? I'm a TTYDfag but I greatly enjoyed SPM.
I played a bit of sticker star but quit at the desert, it feels like a chore to play
It's still not much better, and you should not need to have a fucking card just to do a basic jump

>being this mad your shit game was forgotten
already

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Because Paper Mario ruined the Mario RPG series

Stop projecting, I have no hateboner for TTYD the same way I dont hate Melee. But that doesnt stop the fans from being insufferable.

Also, CS isnt hated anywhere but here, most people just think it was alright. Pretty much any youtube review will tell you that. I dont actually care if you like it or not, and said so at least 20 replies ago. You are getting legit mad at people liking CS

>CS isnt hated anywhere but here,
I love this meme

Tanabe took full reign of Sticker Star and Color Splash and added only Toads as supporting cast members, when Miyamoto only suggested they use characters only from Super Mario World, which has more than enough variety for a cast of OC's.

Not that I was gonna pick it up, but this only confirmed this new system is trash.

SPM gets love because everyone loves the story I think

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>implying square enix would stay with nintendo for an entire series
>when they still have geno by the balls
iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/3ds/papermario/0/2

>that doesnt stop the fans from being insufferable.
unlike CS fans right? The people who can't even come up with reasons to defend their shit game?
I'm 100% convinced people only pretend CS was good to bait TTYD fans

how do you summon Cody

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Where's yours? Prove that its liked on other sites. You made the claim, burden is on you.

Bowser is straight

>can't flee
literally every other mario rpg lets you flee battle, why the fuck did they remove the ability to

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Say federation force three times backwards

I liked Sticker Star as its own game
That being said it's like comparing a bar of chocolate to a full course meal when you put it next to PM64 or TTYD

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It's only when kamek curses your crap that you can't flee

Still, that's just bad game design, forcing a player to attempt to fight without having any ability that actually works while they lose almost all their HP

>By the way, press up to talk to me
>Did you know? You can press up to talk to me
>Pressing up will talk to me, that's pretty neat
>Feel free to press up to talk to me whenever!
>I'm getting pretty lonely, so press up to talk to me!
>All the cool kids are pressing up to talk to me
WHY
WHY DOES NINTENDO DO THIS SHIT

CS also takes steps backwards from SS in some ways. SS lets you arrange the cards in a grid, CS only gives a single straight line that you have to scroll through constantly. And you have to paint and flick cards every single turn. Everyone who praises the game just glosses over that and I have no idea why.

the reasons they are insufferable is because they like a game and you dont get why? Hell, several reasons were brought up but you ignored it because it doesnt fit the agenda you have. TTYD is too good to get fans like these

I did. I said to check out youtube reviews. Arlo's is a good one to start with. But you dont want to do that. Also, dont defend your complete lack of a response

>bowser husbando material
>doesnt bring up Super Mario RPG
He was even so likable that Miyamoto regretted it because he was the most likeable character in the game.

No they dont, the card flicking is probably the biggest problem and everyone says this, even defenders

>everyone says this, even defenders
not a single person defending it ITT has mentioned it at all

Yeah, a straight up cock sucker

They're insufferable because they just spout blatant lies. Like the faggot who says that CS has the same battle system as 64 and TTYD.

you have several autism problems

nice deflection.

BECAUSE THOSE GAMES ARE LITERALLY MADE FOR 6 YEAR OLDS
DO YOU WATCH DORA THE EXPLORER AS WELL AND GET AGGRAVATED WHEN THAT LITTLE SLUT DOESN'T FIND HER OWN FUCKING SHOES THAT SHE IS WEARING AT THE VERY MOMENT?
ARE YOU THE TYPE OF PERSON THAT GETS ANGRY AT THOSE FARM ANIMAL SOUND TOYS BECAUSE IT SHOWS A PICTURE OF A COW *AND* GOES MOO WHEN YOU PRESS IT? I KNOW RIGHT, FUCKING FARM ANIMAL REDUNDANCY RIGHT HERE

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>BECAUSE THOSE GAMES ARE LITERALLY MADE FOR 6 YEAR OLDS
Games that were made for 6 year olds when I was growing up didn't have near as much handholding, are you saying that kids today are substantially dumber than I was when I was their age?
That's frankly insulting to today's children, you aren't giving them enough credit.

The other Paper Mario games didn't do that shit
What makes this one different?

>deflection
it isnt, I wasn´t

Its still a deflection, you can't come up with a counterargument, but instead of just not responding you have to post some lazy insult. It just shows I'm right, if anything.

what do you think "LotSS" stands for, user?

He's six years old, hence his use of ALL CAPS.

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>Where was this in PMCS

Actual question:

What on earth will the next Paper Mario game be? Did they notice that people were unhappy with Color Splash? Will it ever be more like the first 2 Paper Mario games? Will it be something completely different that will still hopefully be good? Cause it could be anything at this point.

I also now realize that it's because of Color Splash that we will never get a port of the first to games

A counterargument about what?
Honey relax, I was just pointing a fact

facts generally need to be proven.

If this was actually in the game I would have considered getting it
They'll either rehash Sticker Star or Color Splash again or just abandon the series entirely
Personally I hope for the latter

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My bad.
I've never seen that acronym used before so it confused me

It just needs to die because no one at Nintendo understands what made the series enjoyable in the first place.

this
>tfw i wished for the series to die after sticker star
>tfw they then released color splash
>tfw in the direct they called it an action-adventure game, not an RPG

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>"Secret" ending

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Screw the haters, this game had a lot of charm.

>muh haters
are you 12 years old?

Honestly, Paper Mario's RPG mechanics were never ever better than "adequate" and they were never what actually endeared people to the games themselves
They'd be better off dropping all pretenses of a turn-based battle system and just making the games full puzzle platformers that happen to have fun writing and characters.
Fuck you, Super Paper Mario was fine.

And Color Splash is the worst selling Paper Mario worldwide.

It's almost like we were so disappointed by Sticker Star that we didn't buy Sticker Star 2.

haha

>we

>he bought Color Trash