Extra Credits is by far the most popular game analysis channel

>Extra Credits is by far the most popular game analysis channel
>they have literally no idea what they are talking about
>none of the other game analysis channels know what they're talking about either
Why is it so hard to find people who actually know anything about game design?

I hope you aren't expecting a serious response to your thread with that image you posted

S P A C E J E W S

Extra credits gets sourced as a reference by game design professors

>Universities recommend using this channel as study material
>compares it to Game Maker's Toolkit

Is that dragon going to fuck her?

I fixed your pic. No need to thank me

Did it ever occur to you that it might be you that's wrong?

And qualified doctors prescribe hormones to toddlers for preferring to play with the wrong toy.

I wish this was a joke.
Universities are a joke.
I wasted three years and several digits of dollars to become a 3D modeler and programmer while studying alongside game design students.
It was an absolute joke.

GUYS
STOP POSTING
WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF BANDWIDTH

Has no one really made a follow up drawing of her getting plowed by the dragon?

Still better than Sup Forums "analysis"

Jesus christ.
The problem with EC is that most of what they're talking about is assumption.
Its often wrong, but since it mostly covers topics such as "why are there no demos anymore" , there aren't many defined answers.

But in regards to above example they got blown out pretty hard. I dont remember which company it is, but someone came out and said that demos universally increased their sales of their products, which is the opposite of what the video stated.

The dragon is really hot
How could he be interested in that terrible piece of shit female?

No and thats a good thing

Anyone who majors in game design is an idiot.

Anyone who uses game design as a GPA booster is arguably an idiot for needing GPA boosters to begin with, but at least they playing the system in their favour

I'll do it then

godspeed user

Is your style "Le thicc limbs and hips because I suck at drawing?"

Gee, i wonder why video games are full of people who don't know anything about the fucking medium?
I other news, some shitty webcomic with a shitty opinion tricks people into thinking it ever mattered.

I want to fuck that dragon.

I was planning to mimic the original art style as part of the joke

>squeaky voice
No thanks

Every medium has dumbfucks who don't understand what they're taking part of.
The difference is that video games are newer

Godspeed user

>spirit science for video games

reminder that the author just works on mobile games

At what episode did that image happen?
It's a shame that the noble art of dragon fetishism would be wasted on such plebs.

As for the credibility of the show, they do sometimes superficially refer to actual studies and the guy's friend is apparently an actual professional in the gaming industry. So it's not entirely terrible, but his ideals do ruin it and he does the basic mistake of representing guess-work and wild speculation as facts. Which would be okay if he didn't plaster it with his SJW signaling. Like that one Bioshock episode where he goes full "UGH" because it's apparently inhrently wrong to write victims of racism being capable of being just as evil as their oppressors.

Bottom line: it's not the worst fucking thing ever, but there's a good chance you can find something better to watch. Like GDC talks where the speaker is from a big studio or an extremely successful indie game. There's some absolutely horrid social justice signaling there as well but you can usually avoid them by reading the topic and checking if the speaker is literally-who.

Why did you have to post that image

No one knows what they're talking about.

This thread would've garnered maybe three replies if I didn't. I'm actually interested in the topic so I have to make some sacrifices. Blame Sup Forums not me.

He want to help people to realize that they want to get laid with dragons.

You could've told me that before I went into it and I wouldn't have listened.
I thought the whole thing about universities catering to politically upset teenagers was a joke, but it's fucking not.
At Middlesbrough University in England there's this obese half-deaf tattooed woman who teaches contemporary game design. She will stop half way through her character design lecture to rant about how a certain character shown on the projector is sexist and all that jolly good stuff, she'll go on a tangent as if the students in the lecture hall aren't already aware of these things.

Nobody says anything when she goes off-course with her lectures and frankly I never really cared to know their thoughts on it, but I imagine half of us groaned quietly and the other half nodded along to her rantings.
I wouldn't care about this stuff if I didn't feel like she was wasting my fucking time - the time I was paying good money for to learn things I wanted to learn about; design techniques, how to become better, shit I don't already know.
The other lecturers were completely fine. But it's funny, not a single male lecturer was politically oriented in their teachings.
Only the ladies. The fat one and the redhead.

If you study at Middlesbrough U. you'll know who I'm talking about. Hell, if you study at any university you'll probably recognize some of this shit.

What is the context of this scene anyway?

Why is a buff dragon looking seductively at that woman while she sweats nervously?

I teach game development in further education and higher education and I've never referenced them or known anyone else in this subject area to do so. Most of us utilise our industry knowledge/experience and books

I don't understand why he uses the voice changer.
His normal voice sounds ok

name one time where he was wrong

Game designer's are too busy making games.
The best way to make a game is to play good ones and take notes while not completely copying them.

>game design professors

...

you should make a channel then and do it better

I wish I could make people as butthurt as ec does

Then you're a good teacher. Let me tell you about my second year lecturer.
In one of his legit lectures, he brought up Egoraptor's Megaman X Sequilitis video on the projector.
I guess he thought it'd make good material for a game design lecture. Exactly why is beyond me.

Honest question here.
How do you even teach your classes? Like do people take it seriously or do they just treat it as "free". Sorry if that came off rude.

>tfw ran out of internet
It's getting lonely guys.

Those who can't, teach. You're never gonna have someone who is genius at game design to waste time making youtube videos. They're busy making games. That's why only fags with game design degrees jerk eachother off watching eachothers videos waxing on about shit they don't actually know about.

so stealth dragon fucker thread?

Lorerunner is a pretty good, non-cynical game analyst, I didn't know of him cause he mainly streams so his YouTube isn't that popular, but his analysis include both gameplay, lore, story telling, etc.

For the sake of having a gimmick.

because most people who know about game design, are actually making games, instead of making shitty youtube videos.

If you want to hear about the subject, watch GDC panels, the one about the developement of the first fallout is pretty fun.
Also Ding Dong usually has some neat insights, but since he does them durning letsplays, he doesn't really go deep into them because the fanbase is autistic. Watch his streams if you want more.

Because they're too busy actually trying to put their knowledge into practice by actually making games. These "game analysis" channels are literal idea guys who spend their time talking big with nothing to show for it.

Try being completely retarded and having no understanding of a topic, and then selling yourself as an expert in said topic. Tried and true method of making peopl "butthurt".

>female

>both
I'm an idiot

someone please explain the point of a game design degree to me, isn't that just coding? do they teach you what """good""" gameplay design is? does it have music/art rolled into it? I'm lost here

I recommend Mark Brown.

>stealth

The intention was never hidden

At least it wasn't his Zelda video

This, pretty much.
I don't feel like I'm being talked down to like I'm some toddler.

Extra credits seems very hung up on games as an "artistic medium". That games have to "explore the human condition"

This isn't what makes games good.

>It's another Youtube thread

Check my 6

To put you at ease and in a more agreeable mood when you listen to him.

I can see a place for these sorts of videos in discussions. Hearing what people THINK about games and game design is great and being able to dissect that shit and discuss it with your peers is super important. Showcasing it like it's the gospel truth, that some kid on YouTube spews out game design facts is silly. Don't do that. Nobody ever do that.

Not rude in the slightest, chief. Each class is different and there's a divide between how FE students (16+) and HE students (18+) treat it. But yeah, you get some kids who think it'll be a sit off. I make sure that this idea is shot down when I interview em. We focus on teaching hard, employable skills in gamedev (modelling, programming, document writing and more), game design analysis (through discussions, short essays and presentations) and finally we get them to actually make a video game, several in fact. It's hard work but it's fun. Most of my students enjoy it. Those who don't usually wanted that sit off.

Remember when every other user on Sup Forums didn't consciously or subconsciously lust after dragons?

Extra History is okay for a surface level understanding, making a narrative instead of pure information
Anything specific cannot be trusted

Forget all that, why did they think that god awful voice modulation was appropriate for fucking anything

No

I'm not one who enrolled into one of those meme degrees, but from what I know, they teach a bit of everything needed to make a game.
Since there is no real literature (that I know of) on the design aspects of the game, I doubt they actually teach that. Video games are a young medium still, so the academic background isn't there for it yet. I don't know how long it took for the film industry to make enough literature and resources to actually start teaching it. Maybe in 20 years, there will be enough resources to actually teach this, just like any other art form, like movies, music, theatre, writing, etc.

Most game designers, or atleast the famous ones, are usually engineers, programmers, or artists. Like Miyamoto has an art Degree, Gunpei Yoko made toys, Kojima dabbled in writing and movie making. On the programmer side we have people like Carmack, Romero, CliffyB etc. None of the big names hold "game designer" degrees.

No

Sorry, I have it right here.

>Game Makers Toolkit
>Writing on Games
>Turbo Button
There are plenty

so as i thought it's a useless degree and anyone who takes it seriously should be derided and laughed at

Good shit, teach.

>Nobody says anything when she goes off-course with her lectures and frankly I never really cared to know their thoughts on it, but I imagine half of us groaned quietly and the other half nodded along to her rantings.

> nobody ever gave feedback to professors
> why are they so shit???

Yeah, I wonder...

>none of the other game analysis channels know what they're talking about either

Ahem

>None of the big names hold "game designer" degrees.

Maybe because it didn't exist back then?

In all honesty I don't think anything would change much even if feedback was given.

I mean, ask the user in the thread who is actually teaching it, he probably has a better view on it.

But think about it, any of the big names you can think of, they are either programmers, engineers, or artists. Tbh, what you need for "game design" is creativity, and that's not something that can be taught, it's something that can be improved. What's really game design anyway? I say it's 50% coming up with an idea that's fun, and 50% figuring it out how to make it work, ie balancing, making sure it's actually doable, not limited by hardware, etc.

see
Obviously each course is different. Like the other user said, it's a super young medium and the way it's taught has not been standardized or anything this wild west nature is half the reason I got into it

Some courses are good others are garbage. Lots prepare you for the machine that is the big industry, others prepare you for unemployment. Ideally we'll have more that prepare students to make video games in any and all capacities.

aren´t these guys in a sect or some sort? I remember where the guy wanted to tell me about his religion or whatever. With the best evidence ever.

>Do you feel:
>- misunderstood
>- are you not good at school?
>- do you feel you are like something special
>then you are one of us.

Internet was a mistake

You'd be surprised how many professors honestly think people enjoy their lectures until told otherwise.

And your point is?
I'm saying that you don't need a degree for the game design aspect for it, they can't teach you how to come up with fun gameplay ideas, just like you can't teach someone with 0 artistic talent to be a picasso level artist with the needed creativity.
Most game designers have one profession that they are good at, and they also have good ideas. That's what game designers are really. Idea guys, but with actual skill and thought behind them. Think Iwata, guy had legit great ideas for games, and he had the knowledge to actually program the shit so it's doable, ie Pokemon Gold&Silver.

A big problem is that a lot of the big names in gamedev are old. They got on at the ground floor when there really wasn't any previous career path into it (hence why they're artists, toy designers, architects and more!).

A lot of my students have gone on to work in the industry but they aren't big names because they work as part of a bigger machine. Uutside of indie-darlings like Ed McMillan or Toby Fox the majority of kids these days working in video games are thankless and nameless. Remember all those names in the credits you didn't watch? Some of those guys probably went to college and got a degree. Others probably didn't.

I have been here too long.

>critic makes ayou game
>it's terrible

Why does this happen EVERY TIME

Although, to be fair, it's also part of her job to actively seek out feedback.

That voice is far from soothing

>>Extra Credits is by far the most popular game analysis channel
Step back kid...

I think the author made some healing crystal vids at some point.

I want to fuck that rabbit

Don't you have a video to finish Matt?

Who linked the fire in Undertale?

Could it be Bowser, from other videogame?

Well yeah, seniority is a big problem in the industry. Miyamoto is infamous for being a complete dick to people who didn't like his idea, or thought they are doing bad stuff, like Rare with DKC. Try to go against the ideas of an established name and you're done. It's not unique to games though. See George Lucas, no one tried to tell him his ideas are shit, because he was movie making royalty, and the prequels suffered for it.

Honestly, the medium just needs more time to mature, it needs to breed out enough experts, like it would be great if any game designers would write books about how they came up with ideas, what they did to implement it etc. Because right now, we have little articles like how Miyamoto got inspired to make zelda, based on his own childhood memories of dicking around in the back yard, but no real technical details.
Honestly, we just have to wait more. Till then, just learn a skill that's useable in game making, try to come up with fun ideas.

Everyone lust over everything. This is like saying "Remember when Sup Forums wasn't so gay?" The answer is no because there has always been a gay thread on Sup Forums it just been more subtle than it is now. Same goes with dragons and wanting to fondle them.

jesus christ, i thought i was the only one who thought so

I want to make a dragon mom

Every time he makes a video he lays with his girlfriend, and won't make a new one until she miscarries

>remember when this vocal circlejerk projected its fetishes on the rest of the board
No.

Stop seducing me

build that mom
sculpt her from clay and pull her soul from the curtain