Why does Melee fans and Smash 4 fans hate each other so much?

Why does Melee fans and Smash 4 fans hate each other so much?

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everyone hates meleefags

Melee fans hate everybody and everybody hates Melee fans so there's the answer.

I'm looking forward to the shitshow that Meleefags will start in a few days. Smart of Wizard to put Smash 4 on Sunday so Meleefags didn't shit it up with their autism and BO.

I really like both and I catch tournaments of both games whenever possible. The entire series is really fun. Sometimes I even play brawl minus. People who hate on games within the series are just diry lil memers

They don't. It's just something some people on Sup Forums are trying to push to get more shit flinging going on.

Well they're all autistic.

Because meleefags are insane and they turned a simple kiddy fighting game into a "super techinical high quality fighting game" but only if you make use of ALL OF THE GLITCHES and bizarre tricks the engine lets you get away with.
Smash 4 takes all this away and naturally, they claim it's not a real fighting game.

It's Sup Forums.
The people who actually play don't care.

Meleefriends have a huge superiority complex and Smash4friends are just retaliating.

I don't hate it but I don't like Smash 4 nor understand why people like it either, competitively, I mean. It's just so much slower and less fun than Melee.

>Smash 4 takes all this away and naturally, they claim it's not a real fighting game.
What, is smash bros 4 like paper mario color splash?

smash 4 fights don't consist entirely of glitches and exploits

neither does melee
next you'll tell me combos in street fighter should be considered an exploit because they were used differently than the makers intended

Because you know who are trying to divide and conquer the community

The whole concept of "letting go" is so fucking stupid.
>Just stop playing a game you like

I like smash 4 because the spread between tiers is much more narrow than any other smash game
t. bowser main

Because Tr4sh is a shit game and Sakurai is a hack.

it's actually very 1 sided.
Smash 4 fags admire Melee
Meleefags hate Smash 4 almost as much as they love Mang0's cock down their throats

It's an obsolete version of the game.
You can enjoy it if you want but that's not the canon version of the game anymore and in ANY OTHER FIGHTING GAME nobody would pander to retards who want to stick to a 15 year old entry in the series, let alone make an entire category for them at fighting game tournaments.

Why do Classicfags, Adventurefags, and Boostfags in Sonic hate each other?

Why do Horror RE Fans and Action RE fanshate each other? Etc, etc.

Dunno.

Coming from a person whose played both and from watching friends who prefer both it usually results from Melee Fag doesnt play Sm4sh well so Sm4shfag kicks Meleefags ass, and vice versa.

they don't its just shit posting

if someone does, its because their an autist that concerns themselves on how other people enjoy their own videogames

>super turbo
>3rd strike

so then there shouldn't be any more UMvC3 Evo or tourney events after Infinite releases, right?

>obsolete
How? If people play it today, if there's interest in making tournaments and people show up then the game is not obsolete.

Just because new entries come out it doesn't mean players should move out, especially if the new game is shit. People complain about Melee because it's old but the FGC cries all the time that SFV and Marvel are shit but never switch to older versions/other fighting games. The main difference it's that Meleefags stick up the game they like while the FGC sticks up the games they DON'T like. It's retarded.

>mains a top tier
>isn't complaining about tiers anymore

WHO WOULDVE THOUGHT

Smash 4 is honestly the most shallow fighting game (yes fighting you fucking autists call it platform fighting or whatever you like) I've ever played. All you need is a character with a good grab that leads into a follow up and you win. The game devolves around that and run up shielding hoping your opponent tries to hit you. Once you both tried stray back and forth 2 combo hits and you get into higher percents it becomes a game of even more shielding/rolling until somone lands a kill confirm move.

says (you)

ill admit, its admireable that you can ignore thousand man tournements and 100k viewers

>tried
I meant trade but you get the idea

Bowser's high tier that has that bullshit grab to kill at 70% thing, but he's not top tier.

Or Final Fantasy, where literally everyone hates every body else

Because Smash 4 is shit

The games have a lot of children/manchildren in the communities for both games(Why do you think the top Smash 4 TO is actually reminding people they need to shower on Twitter right now as EVO is coming up?). Also Melee in particular has a bunch of Twitch stream monsters in their community who don't actually play the game and just watch it/shitpost.

The hate is all you see because the games are so different and don't really have a lot of overlap.

that's retarded
the fgc would be better if people played 3rd strike/USFIV and MVC2/UMVC3 over SFV and MvCI

The newest version isn't always the best.

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How will meleefags ever recover?

>some butthurt e-celeb faggot is wrong about Melee somewhere in the internet

More news at 11

The gameplay style you describe is lame but isn't necessarily reflective of high level play. There are plenty of aggressive players who win tournaments (Nairo, Fatality etc). It's up to you to decide how to play the game. btw bowser isn't top tier in 4

t. assblasted manchild

See you at EVO ;)

>>neither does melee
>multi-shines, wobbling, and wave dashing aren't exploits
I don't even really hate melee but you're in denial if you think that high level melee techs aren't blatant bug exploits

I dont play the game competitively just for fun when friends/family come over. I have a friend who does and he made me watch the tourney with him last week(ARMS saga I believe) and this one rosalina player there was insufferably boring/lame to watch

And I meant high tier. He went from being a mid/low tier character to a high tier because they made his grab good

Because Meleefags bully the fuck out of tr4shfags for their shitty game, but Meleefags are the unwanted child of Nintendo while Sm4sh gets all daddy Nintendo's love that the Meleefags want so desperately.

Dabuz is about a billion times better then watching an h-box match

don't even try to deny

Basically.

Literally none of those are bugs though.

This argument stopped being relevant ever since SFV came out and people cried about wanting USFIV to come back

I don't know, but as someone who prefers Brawl over both of them, it gives me no end of things to laugh at.

Whether or not one considers those techs "exploits" I think you are exaggerating their importance
>this one rosalina player there was insufferably boring/lame to watch
yeah no one likes dabuz. He's the hbox of sm4sh

Not really, Nintendo never adds money to the Smash 4 prize pots and has never sponsored any players.

The best they do is play commercials of the Switch at Smash 4 events but even that happens at Melee tournaments. I don't know where did this "Nintendo supports competitive Smash 4" meme came from.

Fun fact : each fanbase doesn't hate the other, it's just that they like to taunt each other

Aside from that, competitive Melee and competitive Smash 4 are 2 visions so different of the game that when you're in one you just can't have fun with the other

>bowser
>top tier
high mid at best

I guess I should only play Fallout 4 and Skyrim then by your logic. Fuck New Vegas and Morrowind amiright? They're just inferior, obsolete versions.

The reason these communities hate each other so much is because there is a rift in the community on what what is perceived as the "true" version of the game. One camp hold melee as the ideal form of smash. It's full of crazy techs and requires high skill to constantly execute the tech in there.
The other group believes Smash 4 is the continuation of the series as the creator intended it to be. All those things one group of the community thought to be great in melee are not present in Brawl or Smash 4. The series went in a different direction than the fans of melee wanted.
Now you have autists on both camps constantly shouting at each other fighting over which game is better.

>3636363

>sm4sh is too slow
then please explain the following
youtube.com/watch?v=ViHz-hT3vDY

It's kinda funny I went to my first local last Thursday and the Sm4sh players all look like your stereotypical fat manchild crowd and the Melee players look kinda like just regular dudes (although most pretty short), but when you talk to people there's way way more friendly and fun people in the Sm4sh crowd and the Melee crowd was just anti-social and hyper-competitive to the point of being unable to hold a conversation with anyone outside of the one or two friends they came with.

This doesn't apply here, they're fighting games that don't have a huge focus on narrative or progression.
They're games that sell entirely on their gameplay mechanics and character roster.
In almost all instances, the newest iteration obsoletes all previous entries in the same series.

>In almost all instances, the newest iteration obsoletes all previous entries in the same series
Good that we agree on this, because Smash is certainly not of those cases.

>things that never happened: the post

Are you just new to competitive Smash?

Nintendo didn't start sponsoring Smash events until Sm4sh, before that they literally tried to shut down Melee at EVO. They sponsor Sm4sh tournaments and they pay Sm4sh into EVO and they've even held their own Sm4sh events and tournaments.

Melee is grassroots and Sm4sh is the Brawl community hopped onto the newest game supported by Nintendo.

>in almost all instances
have you considered that maybe melee is objectively the tightest, most mechanically sound game in the series?

No need to get defensive.

>the tightest, most mechanically sound game
>OMG I CANT PLAY WITHOUT MUH GLITCHES AAAAAAAAAAAA

>nearly 40 min
>not even a bracket reset

>they pay Sm4sh into EVO
[citation needed]
>and they've even held their own Sm4sh events and tournaments
Wrong? Aside from the invitational there's been no Nintendo events.

What's to explain?

Look at the smash 4 top 50 vs the melee top 50

There are like 3 to 4 fat asses on the smash 4 side while melee is nearly half fat fucks

Don't try to feed me horseshit and I won't get mad

>[citation needed]
Look down in the corner at the logos on stream this weekend.

>Wrong? Aside from the invitational there's been no Nintendo events.
Except there has been a number of them including some at E3 with Scar and Toph and Bill Trinen, Nintendo World Championships, the 3DS tournament, etc.

You've used up your (You)s from me if you literally don't even know what's going on.

>my local tournament contains anyone from MIOM top 100

You must be powerfully retarded.

>he thinks he has a local if someone from the top 100 doesn't show up to pick up the winnings

What you have is a house party where you play smash, that isn't a local that exists anywhere

Hating dabuz is basically a meme at this point.

Nintendo always sponsor majors. Did they bought Smash 4 into Genesis when they sponsored the event? Don't be retarded. Smash 4 has enough entrants to make it into Sunday even at EVO on it's own.
>the invitational (which was years ago and to promote the game, tourney was items on)
>Nintendo World Championships is NOT a Smash tournament
So that leaves us with this 3DS tournament that I can't even remember, and even if it happened it was on 3DS, so who the fuck cares. That makes up for 0.5 tournaments held by Nintendo, impressive support.

Yeah Nintendo's only interested in sponsoring things that they're going to make money off of directly. Meleefags need to accept that Nintendo money is going to pay the entry fee for Sm4sh that they had to work for instead.

They can whine about it on twitter like leffen, or suck it up and deal. Some people get their parents' money and some don't.

I'm just trolling, my point is that camping exists across smash games, and in my opinion it's camping that makes smash so different from any other fighting game

Because melee is old as hell and the players desperately want a mechanical sequel that won't get C&D while smash 4 is newer but boring as hell both mechanically and spectating and is basically brawl 2.0 or brawl without most of the extreme flaws.

Because one of them is full of smelly autistic players who shit the pool. It's tr4sh

That's literally what I was saying. Just because Nintendo hands over a big bag of cash to put Sm4sh on Sunday doesn't mean you need to have an aneurysm, it's business. EVO is a business and Nintendo is a business. Besides from a purely community perspective Melee is going to btfo Sm4sh in viewers despite being bought a Sunday spot anyway so Meleefags can still bully Sm4shers about their life support game.

Not that other guy, but you've never actually been to a tournament, have you?

>my point is that camping exists across smash games

I don't know that that's ever been in dispute.

But Gamezilla isn't my house yet.

>Just because Nintendo hands over a big bag of cash to put Sm4sh on Sunday
That didn't happen.

If Sm4sh is before SFV, it'll definitely have more viewers.

Because smash 4 is like melee on horse tranquilizers. I really don't understand when people get hype for it, it's slower than the hairs grow on a mooses scrotum.

Mr. Wizard is such a fucking crafty Jew.

Not only does get get:

1. A big bag of Nintendo money to slot tr4sh into Sunday.

But now because he put Melee on Saturday he also gets:

2. A giant viewership spike on Saturday that he can show to advertisers and say, "This is how many people will see your add here" and so he can sell Saturday ad slots for higher adbucks because he can show advertisers a higher peak.

I wonder what the dude's general income is that he takes off the top of running EVO every year. Between having Capcom and Nintendo shoveling him cash now and advertisers squabbling to buy up space on his streams dude's gotta be high rolling in Vegas every year while he's there.

People are delusional if they think Sm4sh won't get more views. It has one of the best timeslots and is taking place on the main day.

The meta is stagnant, as discoveries being made about it are just bugs or version differences. Ever look at tournament matches on YouTube? Go find a playlist and look at how 90% of the thumbnails have a Fox in them.

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Eh, could be worse, honestly, the combo system in Melee keeps characters creative regardless of variety and the game is so free when it comes to movement and approaching that even if you see Fox all the time Fox players play very different from each other.

And even then it's not nearly as bad as it may seem, most top 8s have about 7-9 characters and top 32s have around 12+. Not particularly amazing but I prefer it over Smash 4, where the gameplay is boring because characters are very streamlined despite of how many of them are viable.

Ever watch/play the actual games? Stack up the best smash 4 sets vs the best melee sets and you'll understand why a lot of people still prefer melee

Bully and bullee. Everyone picks on Sm4sh players and so in turn they have a chip on their shoulder about being made fun off all the time.

Yeah I can feel those grievances with Sm4sh. I do wish it was a faster game.

>Stack up the best smash 4 sets vs the best melee sets and you'll understand why a lot of people still prefer melee
Because it's the same game they've been playing for over a decade and a half?

lol someone screencap this post

Reminder meleefags hate footsies and smart plays, making their opinions literally irrelevant.

???

The meta is always evolving. New stars are rising up and contesting the Gods. There is a different winner every major.

I don't understand this argument. Melee is bigger than ever, meaning that there's more new players right now than ever before. It's not like Melee started with this fanbase, it built it and since 2013 it really hasn't stopped getting new people.

As for why new people come in it's because you really don't get to see shit like youtube.com/watch?v=qIsTgPo71Kc&t in ANY fighting game.

Smash 4 fans want to enjoy Smash 4 and have a good time and Melee is sitting there autistically REEEEEEEEEEing in the corner doing stuff like killing Project M's competitive scene so that they could be a real esport with Reggie and then getting upset when Nintendo (obviously) only cared about Sm4sh

Have you ever seen what people think of hbox?

In what world is Sm4sh with GG and SFV crossover on Sunday not going to out perform melee?