"I retreated from Ostagar because would've lost!"

>"I retreated from Ostagar because would've lost!"
>Ostagar was only lost because he retreated
>game never lets you tell him this
How does anyone sympathize with this idiot?

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I killed him.

Cailan knew Ostagar would fail.

On top of this.
>leaves massive dark spawn horde unchecked to rape the countryside
>meanwhile starts a civil war for the crown
>has no plan to deal with the dark spawn horde


Loghain was a goddamn retard.

Word of G*d Gaider said the battle was / would've been lost even if Loghain had stayed.

However, there were plenty of other things he did wrong along the way, and he clearly enjoyed leaving Cailan to die. Also if pressed, his second Ser Cauthrien questioned his judgement and motives.

It's clear he feared Orlesiann for a good reason, but every choice he made since Ostagar only divided Ferelden further. The Warden spent the entire game pretty much cleaning of up after his blunders.

I was happy to let Alistair kill him, but having Loghain become a grey warden and sacrifice himself gave him an acceptable chance at redemption.

Loghain was a short sited dumbo, but it works for his character.

Hunting down the Wardens was his biggest fuck up.

To be fair, the whole "only Grey Wardens can kill the Archdemon" thing wasn't exactly public knowledge.

Yeah never was quite sure why the Wardens had to be hunted in his eyes. They don't give two shits who the king is, as long as the darkspawn don't destroy the world.

>Ostagar was only lost because he retreated
I think it's pretty strongly implied that it was a losing battle either way.

Might have been able to save the king if they made the attempt though.

Loghain under estimated the blight. Even if he had succeeded in whatever he was trying to accomplish, Ferelden would've been wiped out by darkspawn, and Orlais would've swooped in to clean up the mess.

He was fighting a losing, delusional battle, and making too many enemies along the way.

Death or dishonor, he chose his path.

Yeah, leaving Cailan's hunt for glory had some reason behind it. But then he went on to foster slavery, torture, and a Grey Warden witch hunt.

I like his voice actor

Quality Bioware writing thread?

Yeah but there was no reason to kill them. Even IF you didn't need the Wardens to kill the Archdemon there was no reason to hunt them down instead of, I dunno, trying to at least convince them that retreating was a good idea for fuck's sake.
Hunting down the Wardens made it look like he wanted to usurp the throne and was trying to erase all evidence of it.
Maybe it was Howe's idea? What the fuck was he thinking allying with Howe anyway?
What the fuck Loghain.

But seriously why did he poison Eamon that made no fucking sense

I wonder what would happen if the ME:A team tried to come up with something like DA:O.

Yeah anyone got an answer to this? I don't remember why he wanted us dead either.

Pretty much everyone but the wardens underestimated it.

Still, while I can understand why he was pissed at the king and why he didn't want the orlesian's involved, causing a civil war didn't help the problem, and he shouldnt have worked with Howe.

He also voiced a bro quarian admiral in ME2 that turned into a dick in ME3

Loghain was an asshole from the beginning so there is a reason unlike most other characters.

Also Sten is the best once you find his sword.

Would probably have more fanart but still suck ass

I'm glad all this flies right over my head. Dragon Age always looked generic and uninteresting

Christ, I can only imagine how they would have butchered the characters.

Guerrel, or something, right?
I would be gay for Templeman's voice,
no homo

What about when he goes 'muh dog'?

So that the player would have a reason to hate him.

There is literally zero reasons for Loghain to give even a single fuck about the wardens, sure, he had a personal reason to leave Cailan to die and even enjoy his death, but the surviving wardens? No, the only reason he even cared its because the player was a warden.

Even if he was wrong on many things, I cant blame Loghain for hating Cailan, he survived the brutal war against Orlais, only for Cailan to try and serve Ferelden to orlais as if the country was a cheap whore.

Han'Gerrel yes
me too

Sten was the best even before the sword.
Would it really be worth it to sacrifice half the Fereldan army to save one retarded king?

Origins was fun 2bh. Generic maybe, but executed well. Felt like the last 'real' rpg in a long time.

That's not why he retreated tho, he planned the betrayal long before the battle, even conspired with other nobles.

Was his daughter or Cailin barren? I think she was.

>why he wanted us dead
Because the writers felt like you need a reason to hate him personally.

I think Howe was the one doing all the anti-Warden operations. He hired Zevran to begin with.

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Also there's that sidequest where Howe's elite soldiers are luring Warden supporters to kill them.

It was the last real BioWare game.
F

I like his voice thou.

Enchantment?

It mostly is. It came out with no competition and lacks glaring flaws, but isn't really good either.

>Ostagar was only lost because he retreated
It was lost because you stole ser garlen's sword you gigantic faggot

His daughter.
Cailin wanted to fug the Orlesian Empress.

No it wasn't. There was no way to end the game as the dark lord of the universe that enjoys kicking puppies in his spare time. Completely worthless.

Too bad she's lez

I regret nothing.
I sold it almost the same time i got it.

so what was his plan on dealing with the blight? just hope that it goes away?

>People still push the Loghain would have won at Ostagar meme
At the battle of Denerim you collectively have the Dalish Elves, a whole fuckload of Redcliffe's soldiers (The biggest ferelden population center outside of Denerim and the ones that were specifically mentioned to be missing from the battle at Ostagar because they couldn't get there in time), a fucking legion of Dwarves and maybe even literal darkspawn killing machines with the golems, on top of a whole fuckload of mages that would have otherwise not joined the battle.
You easily. EASILY. Double the firepower of Ferelden's military with the contracts. Your men win the day with a sprinkling of the Ferelden proper military helping them out.

Loghain had NONE OF THAT SHIT. At Ostagar, he had basically just Denerim's forces. He would have had grey wardens, the kings guard, and Mabari too but The Warden and Allistair light the candle way too late so a rescue mission was well out of the question. If he had charged when we lit the Tower of Ishal he would have failed and all of Ferelden would have collapsed.

FUCK what a good ass game this was.

Origin's is pretty decent. Kind of generic like you said but I have a soft spot for it since its the first RPG where I really got invested in the world and characters.

2 is fucking trash with some decent things here and there but not enough to save it.

Cisquisition is really fucking boring overall and has imo the worst characters bioware has ever made.

he thought he might die thats why sent Alistair away from the battle, but he was pretty confident they were gonna win.

>FUCK what a good ass game this was.
And its like may never be seen again.

He never even saw the archdemon so he didn't think it was a real blight.

Its tolerably generic, the sequels are just garbage

I didn't actually

Basically everyone save the warden's thought it wasn't a blight and just a unusually high amount of darkspawn activity, mainly (if I remember correctly) because nobody saw a archdemon.

Afterwards he was properly trying to get everyone under his command so they could focus on the blight then. It's been awhile so I might be forgetting details.

>play game
>enjoy origin
>play through Ostagar
>get to first town afterwards
>go to one other place
>grow weary of juggling stupid npc relationship value minigames
>get bored
>quit
>play a couple other origins
>quit
>never play again.

Which is more than reasonable considering that the last blight was hundreds of years ago, basically a myth at this point. And the Grey Wardens devolved into a glorified order of thugs outside of the idealistic up and coming Ferelden branch.

Han Garrel? That cunt would have single handedly made me side with the Geth and genocide the Quarians were it not for my pure paragon instincts

>generic
So is LOTR, which is still good for what it is.

>pure paragon instincts
pure faggot instincts

>convince him to become a Warden
>Alistair gets all butthurt and leaves saying Loghain doesn't deserve the "honor" of becoming a Warden
>meanwhile in like half the origins you are forced to become a Warden to prevent getting executed as a criminal or some shit

>Grow weary of juggling stupid NPC relationships.

Nigga it ain't that fucking hard. Besides, pretty sure they had a free dlc where you can just buy gifts at your camp to fill your relationship with everyone instantly, and once that's full it never drops again if I'm remembering right.

I think even Duncan was a criminal.

>Alistair gets all butthurt and leaves
You should have done his sidequest properly mate.

It's not that it's hard, it just felt like such a transparent and fake system. You literally just feed them trinkets like fucking treats.

Also none of the npcs felt particularly enjoyable.

>none of the npcs felt particularly enjoyable
They were easily the best Bioware had to offer at that point.

The Grey Warden you save from the dungeons at the end of the game pretty much confirms that it's not actual a great order anymore and basically just a bunch of criminals since there's no big darkspawn menace for like several hundred years

>the da franchise could be been fun as fuck

why does ea have to ruin everything it touches? is there even a term besides incompetent when you have literally billions to throw at stuff and still end up producing absolute trash?

The Orlesian guy? I don't remember anything like that, what part of the dialogue does he say it?

Only if you suck at the dialogue. The treats that don't trigger character interaction are basically a band-aid for bads.

>no big darkspawn menace for like several hundred years
Wait, how do they induce new members then?
You kinda have to drink darkspawn blood to become one, right?

You can find a shitzillion of them in the Deep Roads

In my blind continuity two Amells have died in this asshole's place. Can't wait to somehow kill the Inquisitor in DA4. There are no brakes on the bad end train.

Then you get Inquisition

They're around but disorganized outside of a few hotspots that always persist.

But there's also Archdemon in the drink as a secret ingredient IIRC. Which is explained that the Grey Wardens basically carve up the archdemon and take as much blood as they can from him

It would be even worse

kek, imagine glorious grey wardens going out to capture and drag away some scrawny ass darkspawn just so they could get high off its blood
heroic as fuck

Well in the base game they have some trinkets you can get for them, some have unique dialogue for certain gifts, like a flower Leliana mentions to you, a mirror for Morrigan and I think Duncan's shield for Alistair. With the dlc I mentioned you can just get some money, buy them from the camp merchant and boost everyone up that way.

Dialogue and choices you make in their presence also affect them, like agreeing with Morrigan on her whole survival of the fittest views. Also I think the party overall is pretty good.

>Cisquisition is really fucking boring overall and has imo the worst characters bioware has ever made.

The best character was the female dwarf scout that would give you the lay of the land in each new area. Can't remember the name of her since I ended up setting the game down after a couple of sessions.

So it's archdemon blood, not just generic darkspawn blood?

Scout Harding and she was the most redeeming part of that game.

It's both.

She might be good but nothing will ever redeem that piece of shit

Loghain's army wasn't enough to win at Ostagar. They underestimated the dark spawn horde significantly and didn't wait for their allies from Orlais to show up.

I could be wrong but I remember the Grey Warden who shows up at the end of the game mentioning that it is both.

Which begs the question of where the first Grey Wardens come from. But I imagine it probably is a part of the same story where a bunch of people figure out that if an Archdemon is killed by a normal man it just pops back out another Darkspawn good as new.

>didn't wait for their allies from Orlais to show up
And that's Loghain's fault

>replay DA:O
>that grittiness
>that atmosphere
>10/10 voicework
>moments of generic fantasy unexpectedly obliterated by moments of horrific violence (same as ME1 desu)

What the FUCK happened to this series

>it is both
Yeah you're probably right, that's how I remember it too now.
>Archdemon is killed by a normal man
The way myth goes that's impossibru, you need a gray warden to even have a shot at killing it.

There was still no reason to send assassins to kill the last 2 grey wardens that survived. Only reason to do so was to cover up the fact he was a traitor and abandoned the king and his troops on the battlefield.

>fuck we cant kill darkspawn
>dude
>duuude
>dude hear this out
>what if
>what if we drank darkspawn blood?
>sucess
>kill archdemon
>duuuuude
>what if we drank archdemon blood
I imagine it went like that

dao was bioware's last game before they became nubioware

Scout Harding? Yeah she was pretty cute. The only girl I actually wanted to romance
in that game and of course bioware wouldn't let you. They let you flirt with her and she even shows interest but nothing ever actually happens.

EA happened, that's no news

The reason why you need the Grey Wardens is because if a normal person kills it the soul is transported to the nearest Darkspawn. If a Grey Warden kills it then it gets transported to him.

Eamon was next in line for the crown. And Loghain wanted the crown, thus Earle Eamon had to die.

Why does GW automatically die after that though?

After all 7 Archdemons are killed will the Blight's just end forever?

I thought he always gets butthurt and leaves your party if Loghain joins

he is only cool with you if you made him king and maybe have him marry his daughter if you did his sidequest right saying something like "Even though he is pissed he still owes you everything"

It tries to go into the darkspawn taint inside the greywarden

A god trying to occupy your body will kinda kill you pretty dead

There are just 7?

Two souls can't occupy the same body or something. Darkspawn don't have a soul so that's why it works for them.

I never thought I would come across a "friendly" character as irritating as Jowan in DA:O

Then Cisquisition gave me an entire cast

Probably, there's still a fuckton of Darkspawn around though. Maybe they'll rally around a leader like the Architect.