PvE in MMORPG's will never be competiti

>PvE in MMORPG's will never be competiti...

Other urls found in this thread:

youtube.com/watch?v=6ZSUpxFDmUI
twitter.com/SFWRedditVideos

FFXVI BTFO

>Invitational
>All teams are made to qualify
nani the fuck

im more surprised that blizzard didnt ask for 20million for each invite

Acitiv-Blizzard is just throwing shit to the wall to see what sticks?

no you just dont get it. this is super competitive and ultra esporty
get with the time grandpa

Dont play wow myself. But what ever that thing is going to be. Is it just something for them to sell tickets and passes for to make a quick buck. Or is it actually something with some effort put into it for the player and fanbase to enjoy?

>mmorpgs are suppsoed to be comfy, time killing, friend sharing, group making experiences that are fun and create memories
>esport normies ruin the genre and turn everything into who can suck each others cock faster for more points
when did it all go so wrong

I'd actually be interested in watching this. Never gave a shit about the PvP tournaments.

blizzard is in panic mode because overwatch didnt stick with the crowd. its loosing teams rapidly and pricepools are ever shrinking.
they are trying to make wow "competetive" now as a fallback for when overwatch inevitably isnt performing as it should. theyre even trying to make heroes of the storm competetive even if the whole point of the game is to be a casual experience.
if you read some news sources youll find out that blizzard is fucking insane and for example wants to charge sponsors more thean they would have payed for the NFL. while proimising that the OWL will be bigger than the NFL.
its fucking nuts

l
o
l

its like watching a wounded fly desperatly trying to fly again.

Is it any dungeon? I'd just challenge them to competitive dire maul and win instantly because why the fuck would you ever want to run dire maul

>blizzard is in panic mode because overwatch didnt stick with the crowd. its loosing teams rapidly and pricepools are ever shrinking.


Like god damn them nerds could make a comfy living making husbando and waifu characters for the game with shit tons of costumes for people to spend stupid amounts of cash to play dress up with their preferred characters.


Like just how desperate or money hungry are they that that pot of gold is not enough for them? The hell must be going on with them over there. Shit fuck it ill just toss it up to incompetence instead since even with all the decline they are still so god damn greedy.

They just want to ruin more games.
Someone else makes subscribe based MMO? Prepare for cherrypicked flaws and outdated info because it makes the game look bad in the eyes of the masses as well as constant "THIS GAME IS DEAD!" doomsaying from Blizzdrones.
Release FPS/TPS with abilities? It's instantly Overwatch clone. Your game will be compared to Overwatch on every single aspect by critics and everyone else. Even if your intention wasn't to release anything even remotely close to Overwatch, people will twist your words and vision so it'll fit the narrative you just made a clone and should hang yourself because it's obviously worse than Overwatch. I expect any newer CoD with 'abilities'/'ultimates' to get shittalked because they obviously took inspiration from Overwatch, nevermind the fact BlOps 3 came before OW.

they just want the esports $$$. they saw how big dota2/lol got and how much money valve/riot earns so they want a slice of that pie aswell not realising its blizzardbalance that fucks with their games.
just take a look at WoW arena balance its a complete shitshow since the first season back in burning crusade.
and now they charge $20million for a spot in their overwatch league which will crush and burn anyways. just look up how many teams already bailed out and disbanded their teams.

I might tune in. I really liked challenge modes but could never convince my guild to try and push times.

I've been enjoying the arena regionals too now that they've got a spectator setup that works.

So its come to this.

Fuck WOW.

I used to love it, but this is cancer.

I miss the long adventures and end game progression, slowly building up your character, each peice a step on the way to being a god on your server

And now its just all repetitious grinding for fucking achievements that resets faster then a diablo season.

Did you mean XIIII?

honestly im surprised that they didnt implement seasonal servers yet

>making Mythic+ even more toxic

I wanna see if anyone's as big of a cocksucker to somehow still not see Blizz is assmad that raiding is fucking worthless compared to key storming.

This is as blatant of a sabotage to it as their nerfs to Survival and Demonology back in WoD.

I haven't playn WoW in a long time. But don't bosses have critical chances and other varying effects that could make it you know, pure chance for one team to do better than the other?

Not really.

They've systematically removed all RPG mechanics from WOW for a while now.

Bosses just shit groundfire and debuffs, and will kill you if you can't kill them in 5 minutes, no matter how you build your character.

They've turned WOW into Diablo 3 with legion, and this is the nail in the coffin.

Take a wild guess.

wait until you see whats in store for the upcoming expansion

What's in store for the next expansion?

At this point the removal of gear entirely is the only logical conclusion to watcher's retardation.

i dont know but probably some major bullshit thats currently their developers flavour of the month. like lootboxes that they implemented into hots ported over from overwatch.
what i meant is that whatever retarded bullshit that is currently present in the game blizzard will top it.
maybe they'll add something like challenge rifts from diablo. or they will add boats to the game and add real money lootboxes that contain customizable stuff for them. after all its blizzard.

They're adding in rifts from Diablo in 7.3

so retarded

I'm looking forward to this even though I know the end result is going to be top end Mythic raiders shitting on the leaderboards due to being in higher item level gear

"This update also opens up Invasion Points for testing. Once you’ve unlocked them by completing a short quest chain (which begins on the Vindicaar), you’ll start to see Invasion Points appearing on the Argus map. These are portals to other worlds that the Legion has begun invading, and as part of our efforts to shut down the Legion once and for all, you’ll be able to enter the portal and stop their invasion."

Pretty much rifts.

>make a simplistic FPS that tries to appeal to everyone
>but want to make it an e-spurt
Pick one.

this cant be real please tell me you are joking

Well they weren't done homogenizing the classes.
Might as well homogenize their games too.

youtube.com/watch?v=6ZSUpxFDmUI

Blizzard is unable to keep their hands out of E-Sports after Brood War blew up in Korea. I mean fucking Hearthstone has an E-Sports division and that game has so much RNG bullshit it's impossible to take seriously.

what the hell. at this point im pretty confident that blizzard is developing a real diablo mmo and they are currently just trying out all the different systems they want to implement by adding them into WoW and see how they work out.

All these people up in arms and hating on WoW probably play FFXIV. They always like to make themselves vocal with their hate of WoW, I'm surprised this wasn't a thinly veiled FFXIV thread outside of their general.

The only one mentioning FFXIV here is you

i fucking love wow threads on Sup Forums it's always so much vitriol and hate and it's righteous

i will never unsalt from BlizzEArd fucking everything up

I've never touched FFXIV for more then 2 hours on my friends account, I hated every second if it, the game was bland.

I have over 3 years played on my main character, its rather pathetic, but I fucking hate what watcher, jay allen, and their goons have done to this game.

How they could corrupt such a pure concept of a game, open world RPG set in the warcraft unvierse, into some massive meme skinnerbox system designers wet dream is pretty god damn sad.

No, it's the fact Legion is full of endless grind RNG bullshit that only people with stockholm syndrome enjoy.

seasonal servers is how blizz should bring back older expacs into the game
and they could have full resets 3 times a year and have partial resets where you keep your rep/recipes
idk there's a fucking lot they could do but they won't because they just want the BIG payoff not actually work for some money anymore

not a single person mentions ffxiv except you
>haha must be salty ffxiv players who create these threads
get the fuck outta here.
i played wow since its early days and seeing it getting raped is like watching your childhood friend grow up only to see him end up as a chrystal meth addict

>hurr if you don't like WoW you must play this other garbage.
I'd tell you to eat shit but you're obviously a fan of it considering you still enjoy WoW.

>tfw 5 DH tank meta is dead

E-sports are the most forced and artificial competition I've ever fucking seen.

... ve
WoW player here, no one gives a fuck about this dumb shit. Just Blizzard trying to force every single one of their games into the e-sports scene.

This, Esports as a concept is cancer.

To make a fun competitive game, you start by making a fun, competitive game, if its fun and competitive enough, communities develop to compete, from there you get your competitive scene.

Simply calling something an esport has killed more games.

And look at all the big esports now, they started off as mods made for fun.

Honestly I would take regular grinding over what the fuck Legion is right now. Back in the day you at least had clear cut goals and a finish line. You grinded for so and so days and eventually you would get what you want with enough time put into it.
Nowadays you grind for a CHANCE of getting what you want. Getting exalted with reputations doesn't even give cool shit anymore like in TBC with Netherdrakes and Nether Rays. You just have a tiny chance of getting a mount from a chest you can get every couple of weeks assuming you do all your world quests nonstop.

When will FFXIV get competitive PvE? It only has competitive ERPing right now.

hopefully never.

How to kill your MMO in 3 easy steps

Dungeon Queues
Phasing/Instancing/Sharding/Room based server tech
Esports

What potentially competitive PvE does FFXIV even have? I hope it's not your meme raids.

competitive slutposting

This. The hardest raid in FFXIV is LFR tier in WoW.

They're both shit.

Give me vanilla any day.

>turning wow into e-sports
>PVE e-sport no less

wow died years ago but seeing this is hilarious. how the mighty have fallen.

Vanilla is LFR tier, Kungen.

no. i played wow back when it was good. (vanilla, BC)

>Blizzard activision will never NOT be desperate to create a dota caliber esport

?

Did StarCraft die

Is there a bigger joke phrase in existence than 'competitive pve'?

>who can cheese the hardest and win money while doing so
This will surely not affect class balance in any way.

>do mythic plus every week with bros
>one friend cares a lot more about it than the others
>we're all playing for shits and giggles
>he starts yelling every run when we misplay
>we gradually play less and less because he's so butthurt all the time
>decide to pick up Heroes of the Storm instead
>same thing happens
We just want to play the game my man, why do you have to try so hard?

Blizzard has unbelievable levels of Fuck You money stored away, I'm rather sure they do not have a panic mode

LFR and Mythic don't have threat, CC, kiting, mana management.

They're both two sides of the same shitty, unfun, boring, boss blitz grind, the difference is mythic can instantly kill you with stupid shit.

they really must be mad as hell that they didnt accept the offer from IceFrog to create a stand alone dota game with how hard they try recently to make atleast one big esport competitor

No, they just want the esports money.

Every event that uses their game has to pay blizzard big time royalties, its not public domain like real sports

Blizzard is going to jew themselves out of the industry sooner or later, they still have the blizzard logo, but people have been learning, SC2, Diablo 3, Overwatch, Modern WOW expansions, ect.

I don't even get where this hubris is coming from, none of the original developers even work at blizzard anymore, their senior game designers are from WOW era.

Thing is Blizzard has lived by the sword and now it will die by the sword. All their major successes were games of established genres that were made more accessible and cinematic. After establishing themselves as a major player and gaining an army of seemingly endless blizzdrones, they decided to have another round of increased accessibility and cinematics.
It did bring them a bigger audience, but it came at the cost of depth that made the previous games succesful in the long run.

Or maybe it's just your traditional vidya executive meddling, where a suit is breathing down your neck and whispering "make it dumber NOW or your career gets it".

Sons of bitches

But that's wrong.

LoL, CSGO, Dota 2

No, mythic has everything-else management. Unlike Vanilla there's no, as you put it, ~unfun, boring~ downtimes. No need to wait for sunders, no need as a damage dealer to bother caring about mana unless it's part of the spec mechanics (like Arcane Mage).
You don't fight against your class, you fight against each boss mechanics and need all 20 players to coordinate and communicate efficiently. No more of that Vanilla 10 players carrying and 30 players being carried.
Plus all mythic bosses are infinitely more fun and complex than pretty much anything Vanilla.

Those games (Except league) are fine on their own.

Their competitive scenes spawned from the fact they were fun, and competitive.

Forcing Esports never ever goes well.

No, your class simply has no interactivity in modern WOW beyond "does damage, holds threat, heals"

Even casual leveling in vanilla required pulling and CC.

This allowed you to interact more with the enviroments directly, modern WOW, not so much, you simply burst a healthbar to zero as fast as possible, in the world, thats instantaneously, in a raid, it takes about 5 minutes, and only at the mythic level does a boss have a chance of killing you.

>this is the state of wow players

how can one man be so based?

What's an example of a fun and complex mythic boss fight from Legion for reference?

IN the new TOS raid there is this one fight where the ground changes color and you take arcane damage or shadow damage based on which color you stand on, and sometimes the boss will throw AOE at you, then in phase 2 you have to out DPS the bubble or else it wipes the raid.

If you die, its pretty much because your healers suck at spamming AOE heals effectively.

>buffing your whole raid as a paladin with 5minute buffs
>having one healer in the back who does nothing but ressing people during bossfights
>feign death during combat as a hunter just to regenerate mana
>druids beeing nothing more than innervate bots
vanilla was ok but you nostalgia faggots really need to pull that dildo out of your asses

Excuse me, I play a Ret. My character does none of those three things...

Fuck, really wished I had geared an alt.

>This. The hardest raid in FFXIV is LFR tier in WoW.
Objectively wrong.

If trivial activities such as CCing, waiting for aggro, and grinding herbs is what floats your boat then good for you. I prefer to learn to maximize my spec's performance, in damage, survivability, and execution of boss mechanics down to GCD level.

Il'gynoth was something new, Elisande was fun, Gul'dan was good as well except for Illidan being a bit too easy mechanically, Desolate Host is good but undertuned, Sassz'ine is really cool especially if you're a melee carrying fishes in phase 3, Maiden is what Mythic Thaddius would look like, and Fallen Avatar is absolute insanity in both execution and DPS and healing checks.

>Fixed within 4, was not a thing by 1.12, paladins were the most efficient raid healers in the game with near infinite mana past tier 2 and beyond
>Didn't happen, litterally a meme spread by retards who never progressed past MC, no fights in AQ40+ would allow this to happen
>feign for mana was pretty standard for as long as hunters had mana, not an argument, now if you said 90% of hunter DPS was autoshoot, you'd have an argument.
>Druids were also good raid healers, if you seriously think you needed innervate past tier 2, you've done fucked up

>If trivial activities such as CCing, waiting for aggro, and grinding herbs is what floats your boat then good for you. I prefer to learn to maximize my spec's performance, in damage, survivability, and execution of boss mechanics down to GCD level.
jesus fucking christ

>Fallen Avatar

No, fuck that fight. Can't do any fucking damage on it due to all the soaking and running away. Really fucking hate playing Ret right now

Yeah, what a tryhard. Amiright guys?

The difference is one is interactive, dynamic, shit can change, the other is pretty much memorizing a keyboard DDR song and repeating it ad nauseum.

Exactly, in current WoW you have to adapt to class procs, trinket procs, and plan ahead for add and priority target pahses, whereas in Vanilla you press Frostbolt and wand away when you're oom.

Thanks for confirming you know shit about current endgame

nah he's right, overwatch tournaments pull almost no viewers on any streaming platforms

It's almost like fps are shit to watch.

you can't be anymore wrong

csgo blows the fuck up on twitch with over 100k viewers on the regular for tournaments

And you're saying having CC and aggro management on top of that would be detrimental to the game?

Really? Fucking hell, e sports was a mistake.

I could kinda see the appeal in lol/dota, given you can see the whole field and the ebb and flow of the match was very much like football. But cs? Fucking hell

>2017
>WoW still lets you make transmogs sexier than what you can do in any other MMO

They really need to just make a new MMO with the rule34 potential of Overwatch, it would sell billions.

...