Why church and related characters always depicted as a villain in Video games?

Why church and related characters always depicted as a villain in Video games?

Because religion has a long history of oppression and violence?

/thread. Pretty much the only real answer here.

Nips can't stand Christianity.

It's rather rapturous.

Wasn't there something about Miyazaki being disappointed that people didn't see Imposter Iosefka as a tragic hero?

It's difficult to consider her as another heroine in the game, aside from side quest, there was few interaction with her.

But in the Trails games and some other games like Radiata Stories games they're the good guys, and in lots of others, especially JRPGs, they're just an indifferent faction with good guys and bad guys in it.
Western games are way harsher on the church than nips.

It's funny because all the Casltevania shitposting is all about how the games depict the church as good but the show does not.

>mfw the Church in Trails has it's own badass taskforce that smites those who would hurt innocent people or abuse ancient weapons

So now that we have proved that it isn't always depicted as a villain I expect the OP does the right thing and kill himself.

It easier and usually more interesting to write about abuse of power than proper use of it. The church in xenogears is much more interesting than if they were just do-gooders.

Sometimes they're not
Sometimes they're heroes

Legitimately a good guy to the very end, if not ignorant and idealistic. No man of faith has surpassed Saint Urbain in Souls. Alfred is awesome too though.

I've never heard that.

>mfw the government actually improves the life of the people

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Whay are there literally no games where those in power are right by the games narrative?

It makes for a fun juxtaposition

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Tropico

Because there needs to be conflict and then the only way you get conflict is by introducing outside forces. Even then it's nice to toss in a corrupt bishop or duke or something just for drama.

I fucking love this game and it's the only reason I want an xbox emulator.

The Gralsritter are one of the few "good" powerful factions in my view, as are the Liberl and Imperial families, despite the corruption that seeped in their administrations.
But when they're evil guys all the time it just gets boring and stale, there can be moral ambiguity in a fundamentally good organization. Play Trails in the Sky TC where you literally play as a priest.

Japs love adding at least a cathedral to all their games

As for the soulsborne games 99% of shits are fucked up, of course the religious shit is fucked up too

Gooks have a long history with Christianity dating back to the 16th century. They crucified portugese missionaries who came over to convert and left them at their ports as a reminder to not bring that shit here no more. And all in all I think it's for the best because the current past Christian countries are degenerate hellholes importing third world subhumans and group singing after a subhuman nailbombs a children's concert. Also Gooks are huge westaboo's.

>Osbourne made Crow's dying village into a hub of trade and commerce
>Osbourne offered to relocate Scarlet's entire village and build them modern homes
>Osbourne made an example of Vulcan's Mercenaries to hurt/ kill people for money
>Osbourne literally did nothing wrong and the rebels aren't do-gooders but literal terrorists throwing a temper tantrum while Osbourne tries to keep the Noble families from starting a war
>The Empire is arguably the good guys and the rebels the bad guys

I fucking love Trails.

Well usually they're depicted as a sort of, the dudes at the top are corrupt but a bunch of people lower are doing the right thing as far as they know. BoF2 had that I believe FFT had that and I think most jrpgs don't paint them entirely bad.

Again, Trails. The Church is good, the Imperial family is good, the Liberl royal family is good, nobility is a mixed bag but "nobility" itself is seen as an inherently good thing and most nobles are good guys.

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Art imitates life.

they can still create that drama through an enemy rebel faction that bolsters it's forces to match the current government's, and you end up supporting the regime in disposing of them. Unfortunately, very few games use this take on the power struggle, which is kinda lame.

If that's the case shouldn't it mostly depict disgraceful faggots suckling on nigger Somali feet?

Only if you're an Erebonian commoner

Yeah, the whole point of Osborne's character is that he's a maniacal evil conqueror, but actually smart about it.

Dragon Age "Inquisition" was such a disappointment.

>Inquisition
>Do no actual religious purging, dogma or propaganda
>Recruit gays, lesbians, bisexuals, nonhumans, demons and actual heretics
>The main character can denounce god as much as he wants in dialogue

>Osbourne tries to keep the Noble families from starting a war
Are you retarded? He intentionally instigated the war as a pretense to take over Erebonia without losing support of the people. He also allowed Garrelia to be wiped out to create false pretenses to invade Crossbell.

I can't believe you fucking retarded EOP shitposters STILL think Osborne is a good guy when the entire premise of CS3 is that he's turning Erebonia into a totalitarian police state.

Everyone will be an Erebonian commoner soon enough. Except for Rean who'll be the next emperor.

What about the Dragon Quest games?
>Church heals you, cures you, and resurrects your dead ass.

Wrong, if you weren't born in Erebonia, you're treated like shit. There's a reason nobody likes living under Erebonian rule other than the jews who get more money for doing so, and don't care that Osborne committed acts of terrorism in order to do so.

>Bioware
What did you expect from a game made by godless heathens? What are some games that allow me to cull and condemn the wicked with holy retribution?

Not to mention for a "maniacal evil conqueror", literally everyone benefits from it as long as they don't rebel.

Being conquered by Osbourne is a ludicrously good deal. In exchange for independence, he opens up jobs and brings in economy and a standard of living.

St. Urbain looks so much cooler in his loading screen than in-game. Same with Rydell.

>fucking retarded EOP shitposters

Until the games are translated, we only know what Sen gives us.

>What about the Dragon Quest games?
Nope, sorry. The OP said that it always happens, so Dragon Quest or any of the other games mentioned here don't count. Church is bad and as such is always depicted as bad. Art imitates life, after all.

Post crusader comic

But lots of people in Crossbell supports Osbourne. And if the alternative to a strongman is the nobility waging war against itself and Calvard encroachment then I'd rather live under Osbourne. Which was the case in places like Jurai where the people liked being under imperial rule and Crow was a literal terrorist. It's not that clear cut that Osbourne is a bad guy, especially considering that Calvard is said to be a shithole, Crossbell is ran like a company and the only decent and stable place in that side of the continent is Liberl.
The only thing even remotely close to being a police state in Erebonia is how they're getting rid of bracers, and even that depends on the regions since Laura's dad has enough say in the Empire that in his land they're free to move around.

>Not to mention for a "maniacal evil conqueror", literally everyone benefits from it as long as they don't rebel.
Aside from anyone who isn't Erebonian, who gets treated like a second-class citizen and has half their income taxed away.
>Being conquered by Osbourne is a ludicrously good deal
Yeah, it's so good the mayor of Crossbell was shaking and crying and talking about how ashamed he was at getting such a good deal when Erebonia conquered them!
Which is more than enough to work out Osborne's deal, especially if you played The 3rd, but you retarded CS faggots skipped the "dated" games because they only have one anime schoolgirl waifu in them.
>But lots of people in Crossbell supports Osbourne.
Wrong.

>The only thing even remotely close to being a police state in Erebonia is how they're getting rid of bracers
So you haven't even been paying any attention to pre-release CS3 info?

>is that he's turning Erebonia into a totalitarian police state

How so? I mean, he got rid of Bracers so he can have his own Erebonian Bracer equivalent that he can control, sure, but the Nobles already turned the parts of Erebonia they control into Police States.

>I mean, he got rid of Bracers so he can have his own Erebonian Bracer equivalent that he can control,
He did no such thing.
>the Nobles already turned the parts of Erebonia they control into Police States.
Yes, and now the entire country is just one big machine made to conquer the entire continent. Although I can't wait to see Osborne fail to invade Liberl for a second time in a row.

Sara, fast arts guy, the wind seem to be doing well. No one ever gave Crow any shit either. Hell, Crow even admits Erebonia did good.

>So you haven't even been paying any attention to pre-release CS3 info?
Not really since the stuff I did read seemed to be full of spoilers already, I did see Shirley and Fie's new look though.

>The 3rd

Isn't the 3rd really shit? Like, the entire game is a dungeon?

Because actual religious people don't know how to make good games. Most games are made in Japan, and Japanese people don't generally follow the big religions. That means christianity is either used as "wow mysterious symbols" like cross-shaped explosions in Evangelion or "wow cultists" like in most other works.

>Not really since the stuff I did read seemed to be full of spoilers already
They haven't spoiled anything about the game itself, unless you mean spoilers for previous games, which isn't really an issue since you already spoiled them all by playing CS.
The 3rd is one of the better games in the series, certainly much better than CS1 and 2.

>The 3rd is one of the better games in the series, certainly much better than CS1 and 2

Outside of "muh old battle system" that I do agree with, I loved Sora FC/ SC, you didn't answer my question.

Yeah, Sara's doing well, other than falling into severe alchoholism after her mentor and possibly lover died by Osborne's hands. Totally fine and dandy.
>fast arts guy
That's because he was out of the area when it happened. Not to mention it's not very intelligent to fuck with the First Dominion's fucktoy.
>Hell, Crow even admits Erebonia did good.
He says the end result was better than their country falling into ruin, but he wanted revenge and followed Osborne's example for executing it (committing acts of terrorism).

Church is synonym of corruption.

I did answer your question. The game isn't shit, unless your only metric for measuring that is how many schoolgirls are in it.

>mfw his dumb uncle started the whole thing and literally no one would probably support Crow if they found out the reason for his rebellion

The Catholic Church is evil and wrong, why aren't you Gnostic yet user?

I've played every game that is out in English except for the one that requires a fan patch. I just saw the pictures and assumed they'd go on lengths about what happened in the meantime but since I already know that I'll buy CS3 anyways I'd rather go in blind.
>Although I can't wait to see Osborne fail to invade Liberl for a second time in a row.
What are the odds of failure considering they have the Thirteen Workshops and the Reinford company making them gundams.

How so? Osborne started it by blowing up the railway, because he knew Crow's grandfather would get blamed for it.

>unless your only metric for measuring that is how many schoolgirls are in it

I haven't used the word "schoolgirl" or even "waifu" once. I asked "I heard The 3rd doesn't have any exploration and is one large dungeon?". If you are going to give me meme answers, just say so.

It's the perfect thing for a villainous organization.

These guys bully my furry who just wants to rip and tear people apart.

>What are the odds of failure considering they have the Thirteen Workshops and the Reinford company making them gundams.
Well considering they failed to invade Liberl because of a single ship, probably pretty high.
The 3rd has plenty of exploration, but a large chunk of that is in dungeons. Not one dungeon.

I dunno I played Dragon Quest and Trails in the Sky and the church were pretty good guys in both games.

Probably for similar reasons as to why the Scorpion is always depicted as a villain in the Scorpion and the Frog fable despite doing absolutely nothing wrong.

Wasn't Crow's grandfather the one that refused Osbourne in the first place without even letting the rest of the town in on the facts, while the rest of the town really wanted Osbourne to build the railway?

No, he was vocally opposed to it since he knew it was a ploy to take over the country but got outvoted. When Osborne blew up the railway, everyone blamed him for it, assuming he'd done it.

Sara isn't an alcoholic, she just loves drinking.

>The 3rd has plenty of exploration, but a large chunk of that is in dungeons.

That was my concern, a lot of people said that The 3rd is a huge, dull slog because of the large amount of dungeons, Eh, I'll decide later on whether to get it or not.

>Well considering they failed to invade Liberl because of a single ship, probably pretty high.
A flying ship against outdated weapons on the ground. Wew. Yep, that was the real Erebonian military alright.

Alfred wasn't a villain. He was just doing right by his master. He never steers you wrong and is very gracious for your help.

Because as far as writing a force that isn't seen as villainous by the majority of the world while injecting, "well, they're evil FOR A REASON", churches are an easy choice.

Don't forget that they were lead by a guy that had to be saved by a kid from wolves.

that's what edgy teens buy

I don't know, it's much less dull than FC or CS1 and 2 because its plot actually moves along.

Don't all the hunters work for the church?

Eilleen seemed like a good gal and Gascoigne just got JUSTED.

That's not actually true. They love Roman Catholic aesthetics, but the actual religion they simply don't understand so well. And the evil church narrative is just interesting and based more on gnosticism than Christianity.

So, which Trails game should I start with? Any of them non-turn based?

Because gnosticism is stupid pie in the sky escapism. Christianity was more practical, focusing on 'bearing fruit' in the material world, and that's why it survived as a religion

With the first Trails in the Sky, and all of them use an ATB battle system.

Well, yeah. It's a series about killing vampires with holy objects. Not really the place for a typical Warren Ellis "RELIGION IS BAAAD" rant.

>being this materialistic
enjoy y*hwehs prison, m8

It's a simple "the guys you don't expect to be evil are evil" twist.

I honestly still never beat it and it's been two months now. It's just dungeons and dungeons, its scale and scope isn't as grand as FC and SC, and it's everything is pretty dependant on how much you care about Kevin, since it's not like the fate of Liberal is at stake or anything.
And no NPCs to talk to is a terrible mistake.

Because if you're the sort of villain who wants to get a whole society to do something crazy, it's easiest to convince them that God wants it.

The Church and the Choir were in to some heinous shit but the hunters were mostly ignorant about it except Gherman and Maria. Mensis was the most fucked up of all. Byrgenworth was sort of neutral, they may have turned one of their students into a retarded caterpillar, but it was done in order to hold off the blood moon. Then again everything started there and the Church was mostly a front for research for Mensis and later the Choir.

So I guess the real villain was college, not religion.

A lot of their early European contacts were with Dutch and European Protestants, which probably colored their view of the Catholic Church, as did their experience with Jesuit missionaries.

It's actually CTB not ATB

>tfw Garl of Vinland was never surpassed by Paladin Leroy (who got nothing), not surpassed by Vendrick the Defender of the King and just barely did they get it right with my boy Mourne of Carim in DS3, but he needed more lore and screentime.

Nips hate religion
Leftists hate religion
They make most of the games.
Christianity is popular with american conservatives but they don't make shit like video games.

>And all in all I think it's for the best because the current past Christian countries are degenerate hellholes importing third world subhumans and group singing after a subhuman nailbombs a children's concert.
While I agree that the western world has lost it's way, it's not like Japan is perfect. Their mindset about life, love and work is totally fucked.

It's because Christianity is currently considered non-offensive to shit on, and it's such a common connection with western audiences that it's oft utilized. So essentially, it has really broad appeal, it's easy to understand, and our culture is going in a direction where it's essentially the only modern religion that can take pot shots without there being an uproar.

Not to mention that people with serious Christian beliefs are far less likely to make video games than bitter asshats with axes to grind.

Well there seems to be a difference between the old Healing Church and the current one. The first generation of the Healing Church seems to at least understand that the Old Blood was dangerous and even the Vicar's Amulet has the saying to Fear the Old Blood. And even though they were kidnapping orphans to turn then into aliens it was still all about ascending humanity. But somewhere between setting half their own city on fire and locking out the general populace the Healing Church seems to have forgotten it's purpose and now just mindlessly searches for more Blood

Art imitating life. Christianity is filled with evil colonizers, killers and pedophiles, judaism is filled with monstrously evil and greedy world-destroying pieces of shit and Islam is absolute cancer. It seems like in Japan where you have a much more benign religion like Shinto there's this need to criticize all these harmful religions, and I understand it. The world would be much better off without that garbage.

XD dips bredora haha ur opinions is invalidated now lol

because organized religion often uses shame tactics, authoritarianism, etc, to manipulate and control people.

I know the first one is classical turn based, but wasn't Cold Steel an action RPG?