Persona 5: when more is less – Reader’s Feature

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>It just keeps getting worse

So what the problem here?

Sum it up in three sentences or less.

>Mad 24/7 because Persona 5 is the best Atlus game and miles better than his favorite shitty obscured game
LMAO

>Oh my gods, I love Persona 4 so much that if I ever have a daughter she’ll be called Chie or if it’s a son, well he’ll be called Teddie
I really don't want to keep reading.

Basically this article wants a more streamlined battle system aka to keep it as close to a VN as possible. Demon negotiations and added spell types and guns mix up the gameplay and having more options is not a bad thing.

>Persona 5 best Atlus
???

How is it keep getting worse?

>Basically this article wants a more streamlined battle system aka to keep it as close to a VN as possible
???

Persona started with 3. The others were a test that failed.

P5 is already a cake walk but this guy is a P4 fan not surprised.

I really wanted P5 to have a less blank-slate protagonist. I'm really not a fan of this style of protagonist that never speaks, I know it works best for autists who self-insert (I know I did that because I was far more autistic when I played P3 and P4) but to me it's just immersion breaking.

>I felt there was just too much, well… game.
When is this a bad thing for video games?

Lel xDDD Futa is mi waifu compa I make meems on internets

But he is less blank-slate? He's an outcast for being perceived as a delinquent which affects how most view him or interact with him.

P4 fans being shitters as usual, although I guess they're entitled to their opinions.
They really should try playing mainline SMT though, what's wrong with demon negotiations?

When something is mediocre, more of the same grows tiring and stops being enjoyable.
Look at DS2 compared to BB. I platinumed BB in 70 hours, whilst it took me 140 hours to platinum DS2. I greatly preferred BB because it was good, and didn't overstay it's welcome. Could it have been longer? Sure - but the important thing is it didn't overstay it's welcome, like DS2.

>Too many characters, too much group chat, too many locations, too many palaces, too many battle resistances, too many types of fusion,

The only thing I agree with here is there being too many group chats. Other than that there is literally nothing wrong with everything else and I do not THINK the game had significantly more or less characters than 4.

Though to be fair I think the scenes with SIU Director were fucking stupid. There is literally no reason as to why this character who doesn't even get the benefit of having an actual name gets so much fucking screentime.

Self-inserts are only fine is they have goofy autism dialogue choices.

I'm a P4 fan, and I play mainline. Nice generalising.
P5 is the first time the series has actually felt it's aimed at young teenagers. The Persona series was always saimed at young teenagers, but it had the Pixar quality of also appealing to adults. This is not the case in P5. It's hamfisted, self-important with nothing of value to actually say. I could go on about how disappointing P5 is, but I won't waste both of our times. It's still better than EP and P1, but it's not the masterpiece I was led to expect.
There's nothing wrong with demon negotiations, some systems work better than others though. I personally really like Soul Hackers' system. The issue with P5's imo is that it requires you to down your enemies. The game is piss easy, so after the second dungeon or so you'll find that you will(nearly) kill all the enemies with your attacks quickly. This means you either don't get to negotiate at all, or else you only have one shot.
But why even exploit weaknesses? Why not use attack them until they talk to you? If you do this, it is no longer negotiation - the shadow does exactly what you tell them to. This is how almost all my 'negotiations' go - I attack with weapons or physical attacks (to breeze through the enemies) and I still get the benefit of 'negotiations'. Negotiations aren't really a thing in P5, or they easily don't have to be.

why don't we just remove combat?

that way we can get back to social linking

>game has too much content

>A fan of Persona 4

>Fan of the worst Persona

>Oh my gods, I love Persona 4
stopped reading there

>persona 4 fan
>scared of changes
Isn't that a sign of autism?

You idiot; thats Devil Summoner.

They're clearly not a big P5 fan though.

>Oh my gods, I love Persona 4 so much that if I ever have a daughter she’ll be called Chie or if it’s a son, well he’ll be called Teddie.
Stopped reading right away.

The only positive here is that this person will never procreate.

>Persona 4 is my favorite

>love all the SMT games in general aside from DeSu because I don't like SRPGs

DDS is the second best

Yeah. It started with P3 and died after it.
P4 and P5 were shit.

P4 fans are to Persona what FF7 fans are to FF. I honestly didn't even like P4 that much because they went overboard with the comedy and shit.

P5>P3>P4

>P3
>not shit
LOL.

Theres a persona game for everyone.

>Newfags voicing their shit opinions

Sup Forums loved 4 from its release to about 2012 and I have no idea how you vermin came to be here.

>I'm a P4 fan
Stopped reading there. P4fags really are the niggers of the Persona franchise.

>Sup Forums hates Persona 4 now

Jesus Christ the userbase of this board has changed so drastically.

>Stopped reading there.
Stopped reading there.

>oh my gods

>I have no idea how you vermin came to be here.
It's summer, and all the 15 year olds have come on.
P4 is still the only Persona game to have it's own banner, and Adachi is in another one.

>Persona fan hates on his own series
wtf kind of fan are you?

>But these weren’t the underlying issues, I felt there was just too much, well… game.

>Too many characters, too much group chat, too many locations, too many palaces, too many battle resistances, too many types of fusion, just too much. It’s almost like Atlus had extended the Persona 5 development time just so they could add more features, thinking: never mind the quality, just feel the width.

what a faggy fanboyish way to say persona has pacing issues, persona has always had pacing issues and no one will ever admit it because they are too busy which girl is the best waifu

Isn't it a bit late to run a smear campaign on P5? The game has been out a while now and was very successful. What's with these articles?

>A fan of Persona 4

Stopped reading right there. I'm guessing he's a VNfag that's mad he actually has to pick up the controller once and a while.

>That is all

Stopped reading right there.

NO ONE IS SAYING THAT WE HATE PERSONA 4. We are just saying that P4 is the worst in the series but it's still good. Not as good as 3 and 5. That's it. FACT.

P4 haters are salty P5fags.
>P4 still regarded as the best Persona by the majority of fans.
>P4 still getting new stuff like Cross Tag Battle.

P4fags have always been retarded

Contrarianism nigga. How new are you?

>Stopped reading there.
Stopped reading there.

>The issue with P5's imo is that it requires you to down your enemies. The game is piss easy, so after the second dungeon or so you'll find that you will(nearly) kill all the enemies with your attacks quickly.
If that kept happening to you, either you were hella overleveled, or there's no way you were even coordinating your attacks so the demons wouldn't die.
>But why even exploit weaknesses?
Because it adds to the risk/reward factor? You can easily access negotiations after exploiting a weakness, but that doesn't prevent you from fucking up during the negotiation itself, in which case you've wasted SP you could've preserved dealing with the enemy normally.

>What's with these articles?
Have you never heard of a critical re-evaluation?
I suppose gaming news sites are now trying to join in with the change of consensus to games.

Maybe because for once, Sup Forums outgrew it's shit taste.

>P4 still getting new stuff like Cross Tag Battle.
>reusuign P4A assets is "new stuff"]
Sasuga. P4fags just continue to out themselves as retards.

Yeah youre a newfag. Nobody would ever actually say that about this board.

>Series only includes 3 and 5
>4 isn't as good as either of them
This is the state of Sup Forums
Reminder: P4G > IS > FES > P5 > EP > P1
SMT II > I > SJ > Nocturne > IV:A > IV

I do dislike the way the dungeons work. They either had to have more or less stealth mechanics. Things like being able to vault over the small cover walls, or walk along the extended ones instead of teleporting from corner to corner would really improve the entire thing.

>P4 still regarded as the best Persona by the majority of fans.
General consensus was always between 2 or 3, and now 5 is a contender. The only people who regard Persona 4 as the best are people who have only played Persona 4.
>P4 still getting new stuff like Cross Tag Battle.
That's a sprite dump game. There's hardly any effort involved. ArcSys is just making use of resources they already had available to them.

So how's that P5 fighting game coming along?
Oh, wait.

It's good P5 is getting exposed now, the dust truly has settled.

Atlus have never made a good game.

>P4fags and P5fags arguing

>General consensus was always between 2
You mean people who haven't played them? Because anyone who says '2' has not played either game. It is IS or EP. Not '2'. They are not one game.

You are retarded if you think anything is relevant except P5/P4G/P3P. Most of the games you talked about were played only by you. Persona is: 3-4-5, that's it. The order is: 5 > 3 > 4.

>game just game out
>expects spin offs that quickly
Looooool, how long was the time between p4 and p4a? Nothign personnel

>Atlus have never made a good game.
Fuck off, Fatlus reigns supreme

>Metro
>free overground news
Not even I would wipe my ass with that newspaper, why would you faggots care about that?

On fucking Metro? Who the fuck reads Metro for vidya james?

>Have you never heard of a critical re-evaluation?

Do you trust gaming news to do something like that out of reflection, and with such synchronism? It seems like the kind of shit some rival company would pay for.

Story: P3>P4>P5
Gameplay: P5>P4>P3
Persona 4 is an average game.

>P3P.
Your entire post is bait, but this is the strongest.

There was also a time when Sup Forums was able to openly discuss about CoD.

Does shitting on CoD means that you are a newfag?

He's not wrong though. It's articulated poorly but there's a lot of fucking padding.

>Atlus have never made a good game.
This

>Persona 5 gets popular
>A new shit tier opinion every day from some publication or another

>Story: P3
You mean the game that has no story for 2/3's of the game (except 'kill big shadow' once a month) and once the story arrives (and is interesting) nothing happens for the rest of the game?

Except that's every persona game, user. 3 just have more interesting characters.

Reminder that 3 and IS are the only Persona games with good plots. The only thing P4 has going for it is Adachi, and all P5 has is it's protagonist.

Of course, gameplay wise P5 reigns supreme, but anyone playing Persona for the gameplay would be better off playing the rest of MegaTen.

The story of P3 wasn't all that great, with how cliche it was, although it benefited from a great ending. For me, it was all about the characters and mood.

Nope. Persona sucks ass. Why play persona when Yakuza exists anyways? It's a better tokyo simulator.

It's almost as if 4 was babby's first Persona for a lot of people.

And saying "Sup Forums loved..." doesn't really mean shit. Lots of games enjoy a honeymoon period. Look at Mass Effect 2. It practically took over the board when it first came out. Where's that fanbase now? Those that didn't turn against the game completely apathetically evaporated. Sup Forums was even receptive to Skyrim when it first came out.

>The only thing P4 has going for it is Adachi, and all P5 has is it's protagonist.
If we're going to be that reductive, all P3 has going for it is its ending scene.

>Except that's every persona game
Not 4 though. Not even a P4fag but 4 had the most consistent story engagement, second is 5 with the beginning betrayal

>Leaving out EP
>Putting IS over EP
>Mentioning 3 at all

Jesus christ, how can someone be this wrong?

>P5 has is it's protagonist.

The fuck you mean? He's not even a proper character for you to act like anyone should care about him. Heck storywise he gets carried by his team mates anyways.

I mean, I'm not saying P4 doesn't have things going for it, but none of those contributed to the story.

For example, it is 100% the best Chad Simulator on the market.

It's a two part narrative with the same characters and gameplay mechanics, you pedantic cocksucker.

This. It's the reason why I hate vg so much.

Old smt threads generated a lot of content, persona discussion was welcomed, p3/4 were both loved despite not being perfect, got people to play older games.

Post vg smt threads
>lmao fuck persona kid
>hoyposting
>smt1/2 and P1/2 are unplayable trash
>let's pretend Raidou 1 is teh best game ever despite having one of the worst combat systems in the series

Because the protagonist is the only character not made up of the components of other characters. He's not MC levels of well written (where MC 100% has a definitive character arc) but he's somehow the most interesting member of his cast.

Except for Yusuke, but he's flanderized to death anyways.

>Not play Joker as sassy charismatic playa
baka senpai

EP is much worse than IS. The majority of the game is you waiting for Tatsuya to involve you in his quest, he then involves you in his quest (which is bullshit, because the reason you weren't involved STILL stands, it's just ignored), and the rest is you simply killing all the bad guys from earlier, before beating Nyarl.
It is much, much worse than IS.

>the same characters and gameplay mechanics
t. Never played it
Many of the characters in IS have very minor roles, and there are some different mechanics - e.g demon negotiation options are much more limited in EP.
EP focused on having more content for gameplay, such as bonus dungeons or side activities in the hub.
IS was shorter and was much more focused on the story.
They are not the same game.

>he only thing I agree with here is there being too many group chats.
There actually weren't enough group chats. There was a bunch of characters "texting" the same plot related thing in different wording for five minutes, but rarely did they use the group chat to just fucking chat. Real disappointing they all "typed" the same too so it was boring to read no matter what.

>The only thing P4 has going for it is Adachi
>waaah I suck that means the world sucks
>waaaah other people have it good
>waaaah why don't women like me

Yeah, what a villain!

Man i don't know, he was just a self insert to me where i choose his personality, there's only a few times he even talks on his own and are just generic lines. Too say a mere blank state was the only positive thing a bout a game is just ridiculous to me since you are basically saying YOU were the only good thing about the game.

Not that guy but Joker had far more personality than Yu in conversation options. I sometimes laugh at how unexpected one conversation option is and just press for the hell of it. Even in Slinks where I know won't get me max points

Button mashing was good too

Compare that to all of the other villains. Hackshino can not write then for shit. At least Adachi was entertaining.

>Except for Yusuke, but he's flanderized to death anyways.
Out of all future character assassinations, his is the one I dread the most. They nailed the balance between sincere yet eccentric, and they're going to trash it for funny randumb weirdo shit, I just know it.

>SMT/Persona
>Ever good
Stop being delusional.

>fan o p4

hello nu/v/

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