Decide to give this a try

>Decide to give this a try
>I really like it
>Been playing nonstop all week
>Mapping is addicting as fuck

HELP ME NO GOD NO PLS

End-Game sucks but otherwise the game can be enjoyable.

Fractals are actually pretty fun now, and the raids are decent

Problem is they sold the expansion with these things being fuckbroken and shit and are just now getting around to making them good (Aka right before the next expac)

Game is beyond ded

It's okay to like things, user. Most of the naysayers on Sup Forums are just salty GW1 vets that can't get over themselves and enjoy each game for what it is.

t. salty GW1 vet that got over himself

I could forgive the game being nothing like GW1 if it wasn't also boring.
Not a fan of the females being somewhere from 'welcome to eb games' to 'nope' tier

Literally the only reason Sup Forums hates it is because it has SJWs on staff, but the shit they added is only noticable if you know exactly what to look for

Honestly, the game has tons of interesting stuff, but it's also very boring at times. I particularly didn't like the skill system, compared to GW1. That was what made the gameplay fun, and GW2 failed at it.

what the fuck is there to enjoy in this gay ass game when the whole point of the first game was to chase after cool skins and now in the sequel they are all gemstore items

fucking kill yourself

user.....

user, just because GW2 won't let you afk in Kamadan with your black dyed Obisidian/Blindfold/Chaos Gloves UWSC healslut monk anymore doesn't mean it doesn't have cool stuff.

HoT content has been really cool, maps are very active even if events are still just giant zergs with people healing each other.

Is there anything on the Gem store worth getting? I picked up the expansion for $15 and already have 40ish hours in the game so wouldnt mind buying something useful. Is the copper fed slavage o matic the best thing available?

Really any of the permanent tools or the salvage-o-matic

Theres nothing good on the shop

>supporting p2w cash shops

you're the reason MMOs have gone to shit

is there an option to join a full instance? I'm in the first area after that scripted event, and there's no one around even on a high server.

>p2w
>gw2
What a faggot

Literally the only thing that effects gameplay in GW2's cash shop are the tools, which bring an infinitesimal amount of use.

If you dont have those you just have to buy a couple of each tool (Which cost like 5silver) once in a while

>GW1 had elite abilities that turned you into avatars of the gods
>GW2 sells their appearances as gem store items
fucking REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

SJW Gw2 retards shilling its part of the main story fag we noticed

The copper fed salvage kit and a shared inventory slot to put it in so all of your characters have constant access to it is easily the most convenient thing you can do for yourself in GW2. Like 90% of wealth accumulation in the game revolves around salvaging shit and selling the mats you don't need.

liar

I have literally hundreds of those I never use.

I have enough mats from playing the game to get a character to 80 without leaving town

I have never used the gem store

This. I spent a long time relying on mystic salvage kits till i switched over to that.

doesn't change the fact that you can literally buy a max level character for $$$

Which isnt even a p2w thing. Its pay for a slight convenience/pay2notbelazy.

Having a level 80 doesnt get you anywhere, and you can spend $100,000,000 in the cash shop and still be completely and utterly undergeared and worthless in any low tier or higher endgame content

>Its pay for a slight convenience/pay2notbelazy

the same old excuse used by p2w apologists in every game

I went ahead and picked it up, if anything itll be useful across all the characters.

Are the sanctuary paskeys any good? It seems like itd make running to LA a lot less bothersome but doesnt add all that much to it

I don't know if you will take any answer as correct other than "You are right"

You LITERALLY cannot use a single thing in the cash shop to do ANYTHING meaningful in endgame. At best you save 2silver a day. No amount of karma/glory will get you even serviceable gear

BUt ok its p2w whatever dude keep being a sperg

The areas that require a pass to get into are just places with stuff like the bank, mystic forge, and crafting stations shoved into a small area for convenience purposes. Aside from the MF, you can get almost the exact same degree of compactness in Rata Sum. They're nice to have, but I wouldn't say they're a priority. There are much better things to spend gems on.

>keep being a sperg

you can tell when you've won an argument because the other guy resorts to personal insults

All servers are merged for pve so they don't matter, being in a high population server won't change anything. You can look at the LFG tool for specific maps, or eventually get a large guild from where you could join on people in active maps

Shilling on Sup Forums again? How are the SJW tumblrites paying you?

I was just like you and leveling is the best I've ever seen in an MMO. Just wait until you get to the "end game."

You can craft your way to 80 retard. Chest drops aren't affected by magic find. Also pretty much everyone who plays for a while has some of those stocked, they are rarely worth using

After I was done with leveling, World vs World and unofficial gvg autism is the most fun I had in a mmo in a long time

Samefagging this hard should be criminal

Not even going to mention you can buy every single item in there with in game gold

Or when someone gives up on an argument because they realized they're dealing with an autistic sperg that will go out of his way to find something to bitch about. He's refuted everything you've said and yet you keep grasping for straws because you're a retard that doesn't know when his "argument" is weak and needs to stop.

There's a Splatoon thread up. I'm sure you're needed to go and bitch about the skin color of fictional squid waifus or something. Don't let us keep you.

he hasn't refuted anything? He said nothing in the store gives you an advantage, when you can clearly see boosters for sale. It's not hard to understand. He's doing mental gymnastics to justify the money he's spent.

>buy a max level character for $$$
who the fuck cares about this in this game you get levelup tomes for doing almost everything, i have 2 stacks of tomes just from WvW, getting alts to max is not a big deal

But buying for a level 80 is about as useful as buying a max level in wow or something you retard.

That's not to mention that the game actually gives you free instant level boosters by just logging in.

>who the fuck cares

Me. I'd rather progress via playing instead of using my credit card. You people are the reason why mobile game tier design like stamina bars and gem shops are spreading like an infection

>Me. I'd rather progress via playing instead of using my credit card.
WHAT IS STOPPING YOU FROM DOING THAT YOU FUCKING AUTIST, I KNOW YOU'RE NOT A RETARD SO STOP BEHAVING LIKE ONE

How many servers have a high player count?

>guild wars
>no JQ, FA, AB or GvG

BOY I SURE DO LOVE WvWvW THOUGH

AM I RIGHT GUYS

HAHA

because the game is designed around spending gems in the cash shop. It only takes a few hours to fill up the measly number of bank slots you get by default and there's no reasonable way to expand it via gameplay. You can't even play all the classes without opening up your wallet repeatedly. It's demoralizing when a game rewards your credit card more than your actions in the game.

No user, if you can spend money in the game it is automatically p2w, I don't care about your facts and logic, let me whine endlessly on the internet.

shouldn't you be busy buying some boosters instead of posting on here?

They don't give you any meaningful advantage. If anything they just help you catch up.

But there's not much to catch up to and there's nothing terribly meaningful to do in the game anyway.

Call me when I can buy mastery completion.

No it's not. If it was designed around that there's be literally anything in the shop worth having. I think you've got this game confused with Black Desert Online.

Honestly nobody would be moaning about the cash shop if they actually had a large selection of good cosmetics. Don't even need to dive into pay2win shit if you have sick cosmetics. Hire the guys who do stuff for Path of Exile or something

plays like shit

gameplay is shit

music for the original is good, expansion's music is shitty

in fact expansion is shitty in general

I have no interest in GW2 beyond free-tier

So, because the game lets other people with disposable income spend some money on boosters so they can get their 10th alt to 80 faster, you are suddenly incapable of leveling normally yourself? The very fact that other people are spending money on things they like has somehow rendered you unable to play the game the way you want to? Do you actually believe that because someone has one of those gem store outfits that they are somehow a better player than you? That because they get exp a little bit faster that they are in some way more powerful than you?

Jesus fucking Christ.

Will the new expansion finally add a new continent to the game? I am sick of looking at the same map all the time.

I just don't like pay2win games, it undermines any real achievement in the game

GW2 combat is legitimately awful. Worse than WoW, TERA, Blade and Soul, FFXIV, all of them. There is no structure, combo fields are fucking stupid, and dodge invulnerability relegates the game to twitch based dogshit. The dungeons are just pure shitfests.

GW2 is pure trash with ZERO, and I mean ZERO redeeming factors.

Defending travesty of game this hard. WTF is wrong with you. GW2 failed on every scale you can thing after glory of GW1.

GW2 skill system - shit
combo fields - shit
dodge button - shit
movement - floaty shit
skill progression - shit
story - shit
gear system - shit
wvw - time zone based pointless shit
party play and cooperation - shit
dungeons - pure shit because of above
community interaction - nonexistent

I'm amazed how bad the story is actually. All that stuff with the treedude was awful

GW2 was the first MMO I've ever actually played for more than 10 minutes. I played WoW for a bit but the first mission was boring and I stopped right there. I haven't played GW2 in a very long time and just deleted it from my hard drive this morning.

I hated how every class felt the same. I never had one at level 80 or whatever but it felt that every class progressed relatively the same (here's your attack spell, here's your assist, here's your heal, etc). I never felt like I was going anywhere and while the open style of questing was good it just became all mindless to me, just tagging yourself for exp then grinding your way to the next zone while being gated by boring story quests.

It's fine to not like P2W games. But I don't think you actually know what P2W means. GW2 doesn't sell anything on the gem store that lets a paying player be objectively more powerful than a non-paying player. It's is literally all cosmetics and convenience.

Some jackass could spend $1,000 and buy all of the outfits and glider skins and exp boosters he wants, but none of it will make his character any better than mine in terms of stats or performance, so it's not P2W. It's that fucking simple.

I remember playing the first month after release, most of the city banter was made of "Oh wow this is so much better than WoW, oh please Arenanet jizz all over my face more", literally their only proof that GW2 was great is that it was better than WoW.
Dungeons sucks ? Still better than WoW LOL
It's bug ridden and unworthy of even a beta ? You'd rather play WoW LOLOLOL
WvW is unbalanced and a zergfest ? Why don't you go back to WoW wwwwww
Seriously it was fucking creepy, I have seen Biodrones more reasonable.

>Make an entirely cosmetic endgame
>Make all the armor look like fucking shit
>Only 2 sets of new armor added to the game since release, about 20 added to the Shekel store
>The only content good content they've ever added was temporary
>Your personal story becomes about Treehern and his Salad Blog halfway through
>2nd big part of the story is about Coldsteel The Hedgeheg the Sylvari

I can't believe I fell for the hype, the only revolutionary thing this game managed to do was completely kill MMOs for me.

I'm not him, bit you can turn gems into good to buy legendaries, which (I think) have better stats than ascended gear right?

The exploration is really great, and end game is kind what you make it.

It's overall a really comfy and relaxing game to play on and off. I dont think it offers that much to people who hvae way too much free time and just wants to grind 24/7 though

Most of Sup Forums arent old enough to have played GW1 at its prime

It's just a bunch of fake news people who love to scream without 100k Twitch view is ded.

no, you're the one confused about the meaning. When some of the most significant upgrades like bank space, character slots and lesser benefits like karma, levels and gold are all given for real $$$, then it crosses the line. I'm not talking about 1 guy killing another in pvp because he's stronger, I'm talking about wallet warriors progressing through the game faster than legit players. I don't give a shit if it's stuff you've already done, it's still skipping progress with dollars.

That's not even going into the fact that much of the end game is about earning cosmetics and that is dominated by real dollar spending.

>SJW community
>SJW content
>SJW devs

If you unironically support and play this game you need to kill yourself ASAP.

I played Necro as my first character, got it to 80 in about a week.

I did some learning before I started playing, so I knew there was no grinding for hours in 1 spot killing same monsters over and over, I felt like I'd like some exploring since I had finished Witcher 3 some time ago and got a same-ish vibe from all the GW2 vids. I also had the tingles to play a Necromancer character in any game so GW2 catched my attention.

Now, I played Necro and was happy to find out it has some summons. Getting to Skeleton Minions was fun and exciting but after that, all the other summons were very boring to me, and after I unlocked Flesh Golem, I found out all the Summons are practically useless since Necro shines with either support skills or Condition damage.

After lv70 I was just so goddamn bored of exploring same looking maps and that fucking tree guys quests, I just spent all the gold I had gathered and crafted myself to lv80, after that I went into PvP.

PvP was horrible, I got my ass turned inside out every round, not to speak of that mode where you need Supply or whatever.

I think I took way too little time to take the whole game in, but it wasn't very enjoyable after the first few days.

>Still whining about Trahearne

I will never get this. The fact that you help him with his Wyld Hunt means that the story focuses on him? Friendly reminder that Trahearne wasn't even there when you struck the final blow on Zhaitan, and never missed an opportunity to stress your importance in everything that was going on. His Wyld Hunt was also very much related to the task at hand, so it only made sense to purify the source before going at Zhaitan himself.

I guess the game should fellate the player character at all times so people like you would feel like they are the hero of the story.

>No endgame
>Gear Treadmill
>Worse story than TORtanic
>Story rips off Skyrim with its "KILL TEH EVUL DRAGUNZ!" shit
>The entire game has you killing the bad guys as a moralfaggot, without an option to join them
>No likeable NPCs anywhere
>Choices in personal story doesn't matter
>Technology level is retarded across the entire board, one race has borderline sci-fi technology vs generic medieval humans and steampunk cats
>Zero roleplaying elements, your character does all the talking for you automatically
>Shit writing
>destroyed servers based on clients' language in favor of a messy, incoherent piece of shit megaserver system that doesn't work
>Sylvari is a cookie cutter mary sue race
>No dedicated tank or healer
>Killed CoH
>Arenanet bans whoever they please
>Arenanet consists of dA tumblr SJW writers, jews, communists AND nazis somehow
>Published by NCSoft
>Is designed for and by weeaboos and children
>No mounts
>No GvG, NO FUCKING GvG. IN A GUILD WARS GAME

Easily the worst MMO ever

I think you're the only person who gives even a half a shit about that.

No, legendaries have the same stats as ascended. Also, that's not a legitimate point. It would be if legendaries were exclusive to the store, but that's not the case. Some guy dropping several hundred dollars on gems to convert into gold to buy a legendary gets the same stats as the guy that made it normally.

Except for the fact that end-game cosmetics are mostly gained through group activities and can not be bought from the gemstore. Hell, they can't even be bought from the auction house, you have to earn them.

Shitty, clunky, simplistic combat
WvWvW is doorwar zergfest
Community is full of brony faggots who are completely delusional
Downed mechanic in PvP
Spam-based combat
Skills based on weapons
Dodge button is buggy and boring
No tanks, just a clusterfuck of DPS classes
PvE is full of boring kill x quests
World not persistent due to overflow channels and instances
Themepark fast travel anywhere
One skill bar
Ugly, non-customizable, casual UI
No world PvP
No endgame progression
Terrible auction house
Lame story
Laughable voice acting
Runs like shit on modern rigs - No optimization
Cash shop advantages
abysmal visual nerfs on effects

/thread.

It's flwaed, but it's miles better than most other MMOs, especially WoW and XIV. There's not a lot of criticism to be had outside of that rooted in the fact that the game isn't a tab-target traditional game.

>Pioneered an ass-load of features that LITERALLY every MMO since has stolen
>No sub-fee instantly admonishes it of a ton of problems
>Design is based around fun first
>Best map design of any MMO period
>The "simple" combat is more different than bad, and actually has about the same complexity as WoW or XIV with 10 skills between two weapons, 5 class skills, multiples trait-lines, and additional (more in-depth) class mechanics and do-dads
>The best auction house of any MMO, bar-none
>Great gathering mechanics
>Literally everything is rewarding and never rendered entirely obsolete like WoW or XIV
>Heavy and fun PvP bonus

But oh wait, you have problems with the lack of end-game or something? Guess what it was about $30 and you already got hundreds of hours of fun.

Legendaries do not have better stats than ascended
First generation legendaries can be bought since they were craftable from the beginning. Second generation legendaries cannot be bought because the developers figure that was better for legendary gear as a whole
You can acquire gemstore consumables from the personal story, from daily rewards, from endgame content through black lion consumable boxes, and through gameplay (transmutation charges for example)
Boosters have been phased out slowly and slowly. They are disabled for raids, sPvP, and if I recall correctly FotM. You can also buy gemstore items with gold and one gives you booster buffs by sacrificing candy corn

The gemstore sucks because the game is about cosmetics and ArenaNet make in-game cosmetics shit and gemstore cosmetics flashy and valuable from a lore/story perspective. Like you'll find Balthazar's armor in the gemstore or Tormented weapon skins in the gemstore. They have totally blurred the line between cosmetic skins and actual in-game rewards just slapped into the store. It's confirmed that unused raid rewards are slapped into the gemstore. It's not pay-to-win but it makes the game shitty among all the other reasons the game gets the heat that it gets

yeah this is the shit I object to, when you get better rewards from visiting the cash shop than for actually playing

Are there actually people who like the gaudy shit you can get from the gemstore?

What's wrong with dodging?

None of that is pay to win. Literally none of it. There is an actual definition for that term and none of what you said fits that definition outside of your own biased interpretation of it.

I can understand having a problem with paying for convenience that you could see as progression, but it still doesn't make a player that bought an extra bank tab any better at the game than you. Furthermore, you can just buy said bank tab with in-game gold if you want it that badly and don't want to spend real money. You both got the exact same bank tab. His is no better than yours. The difference is that his wallet is $10 lighter, and for some reason you have a stick up your ass about it even though it literally has zero effect on you.

its only problem is lack of depth

i enjoyed runescape pvp videos as much as the next guy, but you can't say that the fighting mechanics and grinding mechanics weren't really boring at times

This game is utter shit.

Gem store and even most of the dungeon gear was too flashy for me. Lots of the basic and craftable gear looked fine to me. Only crazy weapon skin I liked was the lightning hammer, I swear getting Mjolnir was harder than a fucking legendary.

Please post this official definition of p2w, so I can show you how GW2 fits into it.

Depends on if you believe 'pay to save time' = p2w. But even then having friends with lots of equipment/crafting mats could have the same effect.

Mid level gear is the shit

Rock up to Tequatl and just look at all the stuff people are wearing. There are a lot of buyers.

The only things I ever bought were a server transfer off a dead rvr server to a tier 1 one and a lute so I could annoy people while waiting for Tequatl.

Thank you, I'm fairly new and didn't know if legendaries had an upper hand or not.

I was checking out the wiki and they have quite a few gemstore skins that aren't available but still look a hell of a lot better than what is currently

>Can you spend money to get an advantage
>If yes: Its P2W

Its that fucking simple. GW2 is fun in small doses and its P2W. Get the fuck over it.

t. someone with 4 max level characters.

I don't agree that any of the things you think are advantages are actually meaningful advantages.

Still an advantage so its p2w

Im not the guy you were talking to, it literally does not matter how you twist this GW2 has P2W features.

Stop apologizing for shitty developers scamming consumers and tainting their games with this bullshit. GW2 would be better without a cash shop entirely.

>P2W
>In a game with no win condition

>only 4

I have nine. Most of which fully geared in ascended. With legendary weapons. I've spent nothing on this game and have the same stats at someone who was lazy and spent money to get stuff faster. I'm not seeing any advantage.

you keep adding vague qualifiers like "meaningful advantage" or "your friends could help you anyway" and other weaselly words to not admit that you're paying for an advantage

It'd also have shut up shop years ago.

>trying this fucking hard to justify outright shitty features
Grow a fucking spine holy shit you can play and enjoy a game that is P2W you just shouldn't excuse it.

No one believes you're not samefagging. And you're still wrong.

You realize time is money right?

Every second of your life is worth something. It's called the "Time Value of Money"

So buy paying $100 he skips 200hrs of grinding. Unless somehow your life is only worth $.5/hr he p2w'ed

What do you win more than the next guy by paying extra, user?

An advantage that doesn't matter is not an advantage.