Why does it seem like LGBT characters in Japanese games are better received than their western counterparts?

Why does it seem like LGBT characters in Japanese games are better received than their western counterparts?

Why are Americans so obsessed with homosexuality?

Ask your dads

Because muh better writing. But they"re really only there just to pander to the virgins who get off to that shit.

Because Eastern gay characters have other character traits that don't involve their sexuality. Western gay characters need to be totally suffused with LGBT culture.

Because it isn't in their first spoken words. Why would you know any character sexuality unless they're currently dating or you are personally pursuing them.

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Typically because it's a character trait in Japanese games but a selling point in western games. They don't make that big a deal about it and generally keep it subtle as opposed to the west where it's shoved in your face so you know exactly how progressive they are. They treat them like a character with a sexuality, rather than a sexuality with a character bolted onto them.

why are transfats so obsessed with their own situation?

Because the ones you hear about are the ones that did it for attention, thus they'll never fucking shut up about it. The ones that did it because of genuine gender dysphoria often don't talk about it unless it's relevant to the conversation.

Can you use a different pic already?

because western queers are a thousand times more disgusting

uh

On the reverse end, and possibly worse, sometimes a Western character is established, and everyone loves them, and then suddenly "by the way they're gay haha" for the progressive points

>literally a worse version of the Scout

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forgot the beauty in that pokemon game

It sounds like no matter what the western dev did you'd find a reason to complain.

>glitch
>too lazy to fix it
>guess he's bi

anthony "the ant" burch

meant for

Imagine the reverse scenario

1) A straight character that doesn't shut the fuck up about his/her sexuality (not in a pervert archetype way)
2) A character who, in the original work, is not shown one way or the other in terms of sexuality, but is later explicitly revealed as straight

These are not good ways to incorporate sexuality as a character trait. They're cheap and without much thought.

A great example of this bullshit is Dumbledore.
Years after the series is finished, JK decides to finally mention "oh yeah Dumbledore's gay"
And it's not as though this means anything for Dumbledore as a character. There's nothing in the books that can be read with new clarity now that it's confirmed, or anything like that.
It's clear JK only made him gay because it would (and did) get her brownie points.

This kind of shit doesn't happen in Japan 'cause the culture surrounding LGBT is different. It's not as big of a deal there, so authors aren't ideologically driven to place a personal statement in their fiction.

I only made it like halfway through Borderlands 2, and I wasn't playing as Axton so I'm missing some context.

because unless it's specifically a parody it isn't their only trait

>2) A character who, in the original work, is not shown one way or the other in terms of sexuality, but is later explicitly revealed as straight
I don't seem to remember people complaining about pic.

>I only made it like halfway through Borderlands 2, and I wasn't playing as Axton so I'm missing some context.
I forget exactly what he said, but Axton would hit on female characters while helping revive them, but due to a glitch he would sometimes say it to male characters. Anthony Burch saw a chance to earn some SJW brownie points, and said that Axton was bi.

As much as I hate Anthony, I honestly don't have a problem with that.

I heard some bitching that he's got a smokin' wife for an old fat dwarf, but the problem with that is that straight is the 'default.' So revealing that someone has a wife isn't as big a deal as revealing that someone is gay.

that's why there's no such thing as a good example, but imagine, if instead of just being shown with his wife and kids, he got three panels of HAVE I MENTIONED HOW STRAIGHT I AM I HAVE A SMOKIN' WIFE THAT I LOVE TO HAVE SEX WITH SO MUCH I MADE ALL OF THESE CHILDREN THAT I WILL BEAT IF THEY DON'T TURN OUT TO LIKE THE OPPOSITE GENDER

Gay characters do get such things, and that becomes a problem because it's often hilariously unnecessary. I think that if Tracer had just been seen with a girlfriend for a panel instead of it being given multiple pages and a lot of talk, it wouldn't have generated so much chatter - But on the other hand, it was done for the purpose of making chatter, so what would you expect.

Because western homo "culture" is utterly disgusting and no nip with good sense would push it even when dealing with homo characters.

Agreed. It really didn't change anything, and it's not like it's unheard of to take a glitch and just keep it. It would have been foolish of him to play it any other way as well.

>HAVE I MENTIONED HOW STRAIGHT I AM I HAVE A SMOKIN' WIFE THAT I LOVE TO HAVE SEX WITH SO MUCH I MADE ALL OF THESE CHILDREN THAT I WILL BEAT IF THEY DON'T TURN OUT TO LIKE THE OPPOSITE GENDER
But Tracer's pages weren't like that.

Because they aren't treated as gay propaganda. Unless you play literal gay shit for gays, you won't find much but occasional jokes and the like.

Put a man in the place of Tracer and it does sort of come out that way. At least that is how the argument goes. Me, couldn't care less.

This is something I'd do too. It's more amusing than "H-He's totally straight, i-it's a glitch"

What games are gay propaganda?

Is there such a thing? Aren't most games made by gay people for other gays?

I mean I figured she was already gay before that comic ever went public so it just gave me a chuckle like "HA, called it". It's like knowing someone you've always suspected of something being off about them and then years later, you hear about them coming out and it's retrospect coming to haunt you.

I agree with the whole homosexuality should be transparent thing, however, as evidenced by this thread, it causes a larger impact when found out even if its on characters where they keep that completely oblivious up until they point where their romance is established. Basically, no matter what it comes as a shock to people. Theres also times when the lore dictates how homosexuality is viewed in the world of the game, and dspite that being a good approach to an "opressed" homosexual charcter, people will still give it flak.

To be frank theres no pleasing you guys.

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Pretty much this. Most western devs and journos love to presume about how progressive games made in America are just because a random NPC loves to suck dick. It is kind of sickening.

>To be frank theres no pleasing you guys.
I just want cool characters who happen to be gay, rather than one day having the developer's "keep things interesting" dart happening to land on "make them gay" or having them create characters that exist pretty much for the express purpose of being gay. Straight characters don't exist to be straight or have the developers come out and say "by the way they like pussy". They have more character than their sexuality. I'm not asking for much here. You should feel the say way as me if anything.

>an entire comic to show off how gay she is

you should think a little

Stop projecting.

Probably because when a Jap writes a gay character they're just writing a character who happens to be gay while when a western SJW writes a gay character they're trying to push a social and political agenda so the character feels preachy and artificial.

But any example of a character that just happens to be gay can be forced into one of your two bad bins.
It's what usually seems to happen.
>Straight characters don't exist to be straight or have the developers come out and say "by the way they like pussy".
Because they are assumed to be straight so it can go unstated. How can a developer reveal a characters non-straightness without displeasing you because it was "forced", "tacked-on", etc?

Because in a lot of western games, they make being gay the crux of that character. A lot of gay dudes in japanese media just happen to be gay with no real conflict involved. A lot of them are bro tier too, just happen to wanna bone dudes.

Stupid fucking thread aside, I love that art.

Western developers try to pander more when they do LGBT characters, while in Japan, they just make it because they want to. There are a few characters like Tracer where even though it might was forced, she doesn't scream that she is lesbian.

Just make it believable. Say a dev creates a character and in the back of their mind they think "okay, they're gay". Fine. In the context of the game this probably won't ever be brought up but maybe there are subtle quirks in their behavior or stuff you might find that makes the player think they might possibly be gay. I'm thinking about this in the context of an RPG so this might be harder to do in other genres, but I think that's the proper way to do it. Of course, if the topic actually comes up for some reason I see no reason for the character to lie so long as the reason for the question coming up feels organic.

Honestly though I think a better way of explaining all of this is just that most games have shit writing and as a result the gay characters feel forced. If a game has good writing they can introduce a gay character however they want and it'll probably come off as genuine. But most don't. That's the real problem.

Does Undyne not count?

Dunno, I've never played Undertale.

they don't look fucked up
it's not a fucking selling point

Because they're less likely to be pandercows and have some personality other than "look at how homo I am!"

>"look at how homo I am!"
Give some examples.

not him, but kinda, imo
i felt their relationship in general was forced but the homosexual aspect of it wasn't

You.

Being attractive makes a world of a difference

Japanese gays are allowed to be villains, goofballs, losers, creeps, etc.
Western gays have to be poor opressed paragons of virtue hated by shady brain-washing stablishments and yadda yadda.

I'm personally tired of that revisionist shit, back in the early 80's they were super integrated into the nightlife culture but a lot of them started being irresponsible with heroin on purpose because "once you have aids you can only fuck gays". No wonder people who were 17-21 then were the exact people who were against LGBT normalization nowadays when their children are 17-21.

You know, biggest problem is that fictional characters that used to be X gender but are actually Y now don't have the inherent mental illnesses or physical problems (dialation and hormone imbalance) that actual transgender's have or are outright magically changed.

Because when they're in Japanese games they are usually meant to say something and are meaningful, while Western games just throw gays in and try to pander and look progressive.

Because you weebs would swallow shit if it came from Japan.

not same user, I can't list many examples myself, but a lot of "progressive characters" put into games try to make said characters into something show that "gays/trans/women/etc can be powerful figures too, see!". but what it ends up being the case in the end by saying such things, is that those "progressive characters" are the exception and not the normality.

t. Knuckles

If I were to give an honest answer, western games are preachy about depicting homosexuality and japan makes homosexuality present in games "fun"

Jap games do it for three main reasons:

>to make a character believable in the sense they explain why he/she is gay/lesbo like pic related, you buy Jun is gay because the game gives you real evidence and development
>western games to it as a token gay or character trope and most of the time THE only one trope or glint of personality
>japs make gay characters for fun (like Bon Clay)
>westerns make gay characters to be serious since not making gay characters is an "issue" and we are force to like them or we are "bigots"
>japs make gay charactes for the fun of the fanservice and they are not afraid to said it.
>the west play the victim card or act terrible for the sake to be very obnoxious like OP who ends with the most unlikeable character in the game just "for the lolz :)"

I also agree with this Everybody here needs to relax and we could live in peace but no, we have to try to shove shit in each other throats

Tracer's sexuality was not relevant to her character before and really isn't relevant after the comic either. Is there any reason she can't be a lesbian? Is the presence of any gay character simply vying for progressive points?

I get what you're saying but to be honest in east Asia there is a very old trend of portraying every gay or androgynous character as villainous or deceitful in some way. Dongfang Bubai is a classic example.

Rarely do you have just a normal person or even a straightforwardly noble character who also likes to suck dick/munch carpet.

You do have a lot of benign lesbians secretly in love with the MC in anime, just not in shonen.

Why does it seem like you make the same thread every week?

They don't put them in just to have them.

They aren't added to check off a box.

Japanese games are developed by people in a different culture. I don't feel it's really my place to tell them what they can and can't do.

I don't have the same qualms with games made where I live.

I also give Japanese games a bit of a pass because they're being localized from a different language. I always hope for good localization, but I can understand why they're not perfect. US companies don't get a pass for why their games all read/sound like they're written by middle school students.

This is basically the case.

>Put a man in the place of Tracer and it does sort of come out that way
Not in the least.

>0.3% of the US population
>WE NEED MORE TRANSGENDER CHARACTERS

>I think that if Tracer had just been seen with a girlfriend for a panel instead of it being given multiple pages and a lot of talk
>Christmas comic
>theme of the comic is family
>theme of the goddamn holiday is family
>family should've only been in 1 panel

And even those characters in games are actually real trans (by game's setting magic/science they are actually changed to female/male).
Something impossible in real world.

Because the West makes their sexuality the entire focal point of their character.

The only two I can think of that don't come off horribly written are Tracer, and Arcade Ganon from New Vegas.

Pretty sure Vivian isn't magically changed, but then the simplistic character and the fact he isn't human to begin with changes things anyway.

what?

It has nothing to do with muh writing "Japan gives them DEPTH dude they aren't just token gays". This is obvious bullshit, and if you want proof you can look at the complete lack of actual examples given of this ITT.
The real reason (excluding Sup Forums weeaboos wanting to bitch about their country) is that gays in Japanese games are inserted to pander to straight people via fanservice instead of pander to gay people via inclusion, which gets a much better reception.
Not that this is even a real issue in the first place considering how rare explicit homosexuality in mainstream games still is.

>games pander to the majority of audience
>this is bad because 1% of population who won't even but the game is not represented enough
this is why western games are pure shit

because their western counter parts make their entire character based on their sexual orientation than making a decent character, however Op's picture is not that example. This was a well thought out character other than, " I like girls" blah blah blah.

She was great until the whole Alphys romance.
Obvious forced lesbian shit. Literally almost any other character would be better for Undyne.

But we have to be inclusive, even if that means forcing the creator to do what we specifically want or we'll shame them and call them a bigot.

>dialation and hormone imbalance
neither of those are common with transgendered.

Japanese design process
>Come up with a cool character
>Flesh them out
>End up making them gay
Western design process:
>Decide you want a gay character
>Design one
>Don't flesh them out at all

western lgbt characters usually get complained about because either the character expressed too often that they are gay or it came out of nowhere and feels forced. Eastern lgbt characters feel like they stay in subtext limbo forever leading to people not caring and denying it although that might be waifu-fags fighting tooth and nail to not lose their generic waifu.

Name 1 (one) LGBT character from a Japanese game

Venom

Wearing a dress doesn't make you transgender no matter what you think.

>faggots obsessed with gender and people's sexuality says japan needs to be radical puritans who are also obsessed with sex at the same time, fuck their culture its toxic
>when other cultures do actual barbaric shit they say fuck off its their culture

I must be dead and in Hell.

6O from Nier Automata

Heather

Erica from Catherine.

I think the yorha were a case of any port in a storm, seeing as there were no male yorha until the introduction of the scanner models.

I find it funny how you actively refuse to post the comic itself where she apparently "does this" and instead post a completely fucking different comic that you think proves your point.
It doesn't.
Please stop being autistic.

didn't the guy behind 2b or something really like all the lewds being drawn of her? i can't see the same person make a lesbian character.

They tend not to try and make you feel like a dick about it.
>Being trans, I have to put up with X, Y and Z thanks to people like you!
>Am I wrong? Or can a trans person just not be right?

While in Japan its often played for comic relief or adds to the personality trait.

I was watching the emoji movie yesterday, While not trans it had a similar problem where the hacker revealed her huge plot twist that she was the princess and pretty much accused everyone of sexism
It just felt really out of place and pretty forced.

vndb.org/g421

It's because people who complain actually just want gay characters to not exist at all, but to dress it up they act like it's because the character isn't well done.
People have gone out of their way to simply be "anti-SJWs"
Same reason you see threads exploding with bullshit every time a character isn't a white man now, counterculture.

>someone who likes porn probably won't like lesbians

Because they're odd to begin with. If you put weird shit in a japanese commercial, you'd just say "typical japan".

When it's western, it's forced in. It doesn't have to be there. It's just there to pander. You can't pretend it's normal when it hasn't shoved down people's mouth for that long.

>Vivian is trans
Not canon in the localization. ;^)