Wait.. you can't be evil?

wait.. you can't be evil?

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If you buy nuka world you can be a raider. But yea, the "evil" dialog choices are really more "slightly jerk" style responses.

no.

that's disappointing

Who's responsible for that? Sjws?

The voiced protag is in no small part to blame

voice protagonist was a mistake.

Bethesda games aren't sjw.

Wait... you CAN be evil?

Yep. Thankfully Hodd Toward agrees and has already said it won't be present in the next Fallout/TES game they do. Doesn't make me much more hopeful for it, mind you

Sauce?

No... but you can be sarcastic!

Chaotic evil. But yeah, you can.

Fallout 4 is 6.7/10

Okay, turns out I was misremembering/talking out my ass, but he did say that the dialog "didn't work as well" and was "less successful".

gamespot.com/videos/todd-howard-talks-modding-at-bethesda-e3-2016/2300-6432858/

Around the 6:00 mark

You can be institute they are "evil" supposedly.

It's not a roleplaying game, there's no reason to be evil.

You are a straight or bisexual male soldier or female lawyer with a child, there's nothing beyond that.

If anything F4 is the first fallout game to let you properly side with all major "bad" factions including raiders.

Fair rating.

It's not strong in any one area. It's alright at a lot, the shooting doesn't feel like shit like it does in all the other Fallouts, but it also fails terribly with the story. Quests only have one solution, the main storyline is way too one-dimensional, and dialogue options are sorely lacking.

6.7 is about what I'd give Fallout 4, too.

They seem to be... Have you ever seen Cube? A movie. They're "evil" like that. A directionless, headless entity that has the power to do whatever it wants, and they do. Even if it doesn't really make sense. And however gets caught in it "...Whatever."

I was reading about the rationale for Super Mutants being in the game, today. I didn't "get it." Apparently they wanted to somehow use FEV to make synths. Then they did. Then they kept making Supermutants for a decade after the fact for no real reason.

Is that evil? It's confusing.

>can't get obsidian to slightly alter dialogue because someone thought it was a good idea to hard code it in
>are now stuck with this, so there's no Utah or Two Sun based game on the horizon

>best good for the commonwealth
>clean water
>stable food resources, along with scientists working on making hardier plants that hopefully won't end up as bad as vault 22
>way to reverse FEV virus even though that's existed for a while
>free labor

Don't the sole survivors even have names?

6/10 fps game
3/10 fallout game

If anything, the Big Mountain scientists are more evil. If let loose on the Mojave let alone rest of the United States, they'd create chimeric abominations that would somehow be leagues worse than the cazador

Nate/Nora

Yes, and canonical faces, and if you dare play as a woman characters still refer to you as a man a few times.

They are "evil" in the sense that the Enclave is "evil" they are morally gray. Difference is in F4 you can join them when condescendingly you have never been given the option to join Enclave.

Officially they default to Nate/Nora, yeah, but they still have the title of Sole Survivor like previous Fallout games.

Fallout 1, 2, and Tactics all had protagonists with names, so it's not really that big of a deal.

>kidnappings
>replacing kidnap victims with spybots
>FEV tests on kidnap victims
>releasing rape ogres into the Commonwealth to prey on villages
>best good for the commonwealth

Only difference between the two is that your son runs the whole operation but for some reason thought it was a good idea to let you loose on the Commonwealth rather than teleport you straight to him

youtube.com/watch?v=amtsN-NRqwM

The player character becomes the director, they can lead the institute in a better direction.

Nma autism

You can. Just play as BoS and kill your son.

not an argument

They stopped with the rape ogres about a couple years before you were thawed out.

Half the people they kidnap are scientists. Why are these people, who, haven't seen a school or known what advanced sciences or mathematics, somehow as smart as a MIT scientist?

>Molymeme nma autist
As suspected.

>Lone Wanderer
>Most players wander with a companion

>Sole Survivor
>Somebody else survived, and everybody in the game calls you vault dweller, but you didn't dwell in a vault either
I hate Bethesda so much.

the voice responsed killed it. Even when you pick the most brutal options, he comes across as a passive agressive smart-ass than an vicious killer. It's like bethesda never expected anyone to NOT choose the nice guy options so they threw the evil ones in for filler

They are geniuses...

You can just kill everyone you meet. Unless they're essential. Are there essential people in FO4? I assume so.

half of the npcs in the fucking game are essential

>the evil path dlc

You can do some "evil" things in vanilla F4 like keeping that cure for the boy in the vault for yourself but none of it really affects the game that much. Most of the "evil" options are just making quips and talking like an asshole.

One of the worst aspects of the game is that there are so many "essential" NPCs. The most fun I had in F4 was trying to kill everybody because all of the factions were shit.

>The most fun I had in F4 was trying to kill everybody because all of the factions were shit.

pirated the game recently, didn't actually start having fun till I realized it was just a brain dead FPS and I should kill everything and skip all dialog. Mods to make everyone non essential (and monsters).

Faults in a mediocre game made to cater the masses? What else is news. Why can't there good games where the challenge is not just the number of enemies you have to defeat...

>Mods to make everyone non essential
Best mod for the game as far as playability goes. I was dumb enough to buy the game at release, it didn't take me long to figure out that 99% of the missions are just shooting shit. Somehow moreso than 3 and NV combined.
II agree, I fucking hated how no matter what I did my character still talked like a faggot so skipping dialog became essential.

Is a cure for FEV even possible? I mean yeah, it happener in FO4 with Virgil, but how can it cure all the major physical changes to his body, you would need surgery for that

CAZACLAW
TUNNELERCLAWS
DEATHTUNNELERDOR

If i remember correctly. The observe for people that could potentially be intelligent and start feeding them study books n crap.
That is what they did with the one "scientist" you abduct from the Commonwealth

Reminder.

...

It's quite fun with mods (as usual).
I usually mod in realistic ragdolls, bullet effects (actual weight/impact, bullet drop, etc), 'bulletstyle' VATS which makes time slow down at the cost of AP and ofcourse remove the 'essential' tag.

Then a few weapon skins, bullet effects and general graphic fluff and the game is quite decent suddenly.

Well Fo4 is mostly just a giant Sandbox toy with some dialogue in it.

It lends itself to modding a lot more than 3 and NV

a person being able to revert back from super mutant to human without being a hideously deformed freak is fucking stupid

>But also a bit distracting
God for-fucking-bid an NPC stand out among the randomly generated crowd.

From my point of view, Bethesda is evil!

If you have a single good idea and make that idea stand out from all your lack of a good idea, yeah, you really should not.
People would realize too soon that the game is a soulless piece of trash.

Huh.

>fallout 4 is not an rpg

this meme needs to go away.

but it's not an RPG, senpai

your mom's tight pussy who got rapped by nigger

care to show us why is a RPG?

Truly Far Cry 4 is the greatest WRPG of our times.

>tfw Railroad most fun faction and Deacon best bro

...

Fallout 4 has gone beyond the simple concept of morality. You are what you are.

Is that why I got a glitch where she has had her ass glued to the chair in Sanctuary and won't ever stand up?

Yeah, this is about what I think. I can play it, I can have some fun with it but it's far from perfect and has allot of flaws.

It's one of those games that can be some fun if you just turn off your brain and fuck around, but ironically that's also it's biggest point against it, since it shouldn't of been that. Also FH and Nuka World made it possible for a viable Radiation meme build so that was cool.

>Leauges worse than the Cazador

she does love her chair

tips fedora

A guard at Vault 81 called me a brave woman or something even though I'm playing a man.

Is that a glitch?

I don't know, but every time I tried to do her dialogue she just said "let me sit down to rest" or whatever while sitting in said chair. I fast traveled several times and she was permanently in the chair until I shot her in the head.

>Yes
>Yes
>Yes later
>Sarcastic yes

In Fo3 recently Dad said "something something you're still my son" about me saying IDGAF about bombing Megaton as a Female PC.
Ended the convo with Sweetie.

Fo3 Dad a homo

are you sure you wanna make sex jokes about my mom

she's 66 years old

Why do you care ? Why would you even want to be evil in the first place ? It's 2017, you have to be correct.

it's a braindead leftypol nigger just ignore it

Damn shame. I unironically liked the voiced protag.

FO3's idea of evil is killing everything indiscriminately with teddy bears. You can't even join the Enclave.

In FONV you could rip up a girl's teddy bear right in front of her. GOTY.

This, ironically enough.

op here, i'm not far into the game but i noticed the awkwardness of the dialogue wheel/thingy

does that get any deeper? also killing innocent people doesn't seem to be having much of an effect

Can't believe its still going on. I remember seeing them get assblasted back when 3 was still in development.

This many years later and still going on about it, autism is the only answer.

>steal from murder rapists nigger inmates shack after killing them
>you've lost karma
at least i didnt lose karma in f3 for looting human garbage

Basically anyone with a name.

There are few exceptions but this is generally the way it works. I've seen people blast Father the second they meet him before talking to him and I was surprised that he wasn't essential.

>Nuke the Enclave Mobile Crawler
>Nuke the Enclave Mobile Crawler AND the Brotherhood DC base
>Why tho
>idk

>nuke megaton
>why
>lol idk

I didn't like the karma system in both games though

>meet edgy nigger who prattles on about buwl n bares
>he wants to nuke for no reason
>nuke ncr
>nuke legion
>Why tho
>idk

ulysseus is fucking insane though, like literally, plus universally agreed to be the worst character in the game

>Kill raider in power armor and steal the pieces
>It's "looting"
>Shoot the fusion core so the raider gets out, then killing them and taking the armor and the frame
>it's "stealing"

maybe my character in f3 was insane
Dont you like muh fallout roleplaying?

>at least i didnt lose karma in f3 for looting human garbage
but the Karma loss for stealing in NV is literally so small it doesn't affect the game. You can't get evil Karma by just stealing so it doesn't matter

Eh he did sort of have a reason, a bad reason, but still a reason. A sort of revenge for the NCR and Legion bringing the shadow of the end to his home. Should've gone after whoever sent the package with the detonator instead, though.

>you have never been given the option to join Enclave.
Damn shame

This is now an enclave thread. Pay tribute to our glorious nation or you're mutie scum who need to be exterminated.

>Enclave
>morally gray

the ones you blow up because they wanted to wipe out everybody with traces of radioactive mutations or the ones with a robot president who asks you to poison the water purifier?

>Not nuking both and then getting pardoned after leaving the tops and lucky 38
WEW

Long live the Enclave

not him but see it from their point of view. Technically they are correct in that everyone except them and vault dvellers are FEV mutants They are no longer pure human

Unironically die