This man is single handedly making WoW great again. Why aren't you playing WoW Legion preparing for patch 7.3 right NOW?

This man is single handedly making WoW great again. Why aren't you playing WoW Legion preparing for patch 7.3 right NOW?

Yet ANOTHER daily quest island
Fuck right off shill

I do play but I havent raided since 4.3

Even thinking about ever playing that shit ever again throws me into a bout of depression.

I would love to. Hazzikosta is probably the only competent person left at blizzard, but after what that azure faggot has done to all the classes and specs I unsubbed. Who the fuck even uses a pad to play videogames what the fuck

Game is shit. Literally every single part of it is entirely designed around dragging as much playtime out of you as possible.

i'd like to play it but it just sounds gross

some weird + difficulty mechanic, RNG shit on gear (in an MMO that's fucking atrocious come on) and the same balance problems that have blanketed it forever

sounds like only 1% of the game is relevant at any point in time because raiding MMO

all the same problems FFXIV has except i like the crafting in FFXIV and the gook sheen it's got on it

i'd love to be wrong though

Timeless Isle and Siege of Ogrimmar fixed World of Warcraft: Mists of Pandaria. Tanaan Jungle stopped the bleeding of subs. Legion can't even be saved. The AP grind and seeing the same dungeons for the 2,000 time is too much of a pain to deal with.

Legion is trash and is about to beat WoD as the worst expansion ever.

I'm playing Ascension and making my own class

WoW is not doing well right now. Let me also tell you what Ion is doing:

>Overhauls classes every single patch and hotfix because they have NO idea what the fuck they're doing
>Outsourced from another department all of Legion's new features which were direct copies from Diablo 3
>Thinks players need more grind in the game so he adds another fucking currency to grind with each new major patch

If anyone thinks Legion is any good they're delusional. It's the worst expansion since Cata. Hell, Cata was better in a lot of ways.

LFR, dungeon finder, flying mouts, cross realm, transmog, your gear will always be worthless after 2 patches, garrison 2.0, new animationsm, dampening, cd dependency etc.. i think ill pass

AP grind kinda sucks, but the legendary system is just so completely awful you are permanently fucked if you haven't been grinding them since release.

You're better off deleting a character and levelling a new one if the first pity legendary you get isn't good.

>playing wow
>when gw2 exists

Both Cata and WoD sucked because they had fuckall in terms of content. Legion has content, but the gameplay underneath it has gone to complete shit. It actually is the worst the game has ever been.

>there are people who STILL play WoW

How pathetic can you be?

>start back playing with some friends
>get to 110
>compare my AP and artifact level with friends
>compare my no legendaries with friends
>watch as people with legs and incredibly high AP destroy me in DPS
>i will never get to that level unless i play for 6 months
yeah this is a no

I really hope that if the expansion they're announcing at Gamescom this month is no good that WoW dies completely.

That's implying Mists of Pandaria wasn't any good and was not, in combination with Warlords of Draenor the all-time bottom of WoW. They're both shit, at least now after hitting rock bottom they got nowhere to go but up.

>another fucking daily quest grind
go get lunch, Pajeet, you're not going to be selling any more subs today

This

gw2 is dogshit. Genuinely worse than nu-WoW in every way.

>AP grind
>Every spec revolves around procs now
>Stupid mounts, mogs, pets, etc glowing shoulders and what not everywhere
>Deviantart tier story
>Get banned for saying fuck, GM tells me it's because WoW is a game for kids.
>Welfare epics and kiddy raids
>Mythic+ cancer from D3
It's not getting better, it's getting worse.

>>Mythic+ cancer from D3
Legit the best thing about Legion along with the raiding. Everything else is awful though.

>run this raid 4 times and simultaneously invest in the gear you get in LFR/Normal while being ready to throw them away for Hard gear, then repeat for Mythic

I liked it better when the dungeon/raid was hard off the bat and you had to learn how to beat the boss

Fuck your archaic non-inclusive ideals. There should be content for all levels of players!

Mythic+ still needs work. The key should always +1 if you complete the dungeon, regardless of how long you take. Also most of the affixes should just outright be removed.
Keep Necrotic, Bolstering, Fortified, Tyrannical, Volcanic, Raging, and Sanguine. Rather than having a set of three per week, have each be random based on the key. Too often it's "Wow it's Explosive/Grievous/Tyrannical guess we're not doing M+ at all this week lol".
The timer is really the biggest problem though. A lot of the Affixes aren't hard so much, they simply force you to go slower than you are otherwise capable of doing (Bursting being the worst of them). That simply doesn't jive well with the inherent speedrun concept.

I hate WoW quite a bit, but GW2 manages to be even worse somehow. Only the WvWvW aspect of it is somewhat decent, but even that's a clusterfuck most of the time.

the damage have already been done. you cant fix it.

wow was never good and should never have been an MMO

>playing MMOs at all.

>They never even tried to talk about what went wrong with WoD
The game should have been abandoned when about 80% of what was promised was never delivered

>This man is single handedly making WoW great again
>making WoW great again
>hazzikostas the despoiler

Can't be arsed to play that game anymore because the only content that interests me is the hardest raid content there is. Only problem is that it's so fucking grindy right now that I don't have time to play it. WoD was comfy for raiding because you only had to log on for raid nights. I don't care about m+, that shit was fun for a month. Also titanforging is pure cancer. I'll return for the next expansion.

But I'm a casual and didn't want to raid in the first place. Stop trying to force me to raid.

Is Illidan stealing a planet full of demons so he can fight a planet full of demons? Or did that already happen?

Illidan is being put on a bus alongside everyone else related to the Legion including the entire Legion.

He Satanus Ex Machina'd argus to the same solar system as Azeroth with 0 long term or short term consequences

Apparently illidan is such a master of the arcane and fel he made a comfy pocket for Argus to just land in and perpetually match Azeroths rotation and speed

I thought that was Swifty at first. Which is weird because I was thinking about him last night. I used to watch a lot of WoW youtubers during Cataclysm which is the last time I played. I was thinking about WoW and looking up all the lore I've missed. I miss it guys. Part of me wants to make a new account and start over from the very beginning.

desu do it, it's not as bad as everyone says

>new WoW cash shop mount and pet
>first new cash shop item in over a year
>reskinned Rune Saber mount from WoD
>reskinned Mischief cat pet

holy shit they're not even trying anymore

>retard from lfr have better gear than me from mythic
dropped at the end of nighthold
Only think to do in this game are raids, rest is shovelware tier content, no thanks

>people who put in the effort reap the rewards
what a disaster

>retard from lfr have better gear than me from mythic

wait, how is that possible?

you can't be trolling here right?

I play FFXIV and new expancion Stormblood is fucking garbage. Ability prune, shitty story, very easy endgame content.
I was thinking about giving WOW a try. Is it worth it? Is there any class similar to summoner or bard in WOW?

Worth a shot at least. There's two Summoner type specs, Unholy DK and Demonology Warlocks. Unholy summons tons of undead, zombies that spawn and explode when they reach the target, and generic ghouls that just attack, plus their Gargoyle summon which is a CD. They're a Strength using melee spec.
Demonology is a caster which summons a bunch of different Demons which do various things. They have an ability called Imp-losion which is exactly what it sounds like.

Because Legion and nuWoW in general is cancerous shit.

suckers WILL buy them

Dont even bother.

Mists was - content, raid, etc wise - the highest point of WoW. Honestly the best xpack and I've been in since vanilla beta.

And I hate pandas.

Why try when you have an addicted core fanbase that will buy literally everything you shit out?

Mist launch was terrible. The whole Throne of Thunder patch was probably the best patch ever released though. Isle of Thunder and the raid were just spectacular. It's a shame it all went downhill from there.

Warlock is 10x the summoner.
Nothing really like Bard. WoW doesn't lend itself well to "support" classes.
WoW sucks fat cock right now though, if you're really sick of Stormblood I don't see how WoW is any better.

no, it is possible at least it was back then
When you get unforged item from mythic from first boss it is 900ilvl(it was relic)
retard from lfr had 905 since max forge was 45ilvl

>people claiming Legion is the best expansion since Wrath
...how?

please tell me how

please tell me how you think artifact power was ever a good idea, how legendaries don't completely fuck everything up, how classes haven't been totally stripped of identity, how classes are fun to play anymore, how the raids aren't the same recycled shit, how Mythic+ isn't boring as fuck after the 500th time

tell me

fucking please i need to know

AP sucks, but Legendarys have gotten to the point that they're not particularly relevant anymore. At the start of the expansion, getting your BIS legendary and gaining 30k DPS when everyone was doing 300k DPS was a big deal. Now, getting your BiS legendary and gaining 30k DPS when everyone is doing 1.3m DPS is pretty irrelevant. A good trinket titanforge will do more in many cases.

I've been watching the arena qualifiers recently and I've been thinking of resubbing just to do that. None of my friends are playing anymore though.

Warlocks and Priests are the big ranged dot specs. Maybe balance if you're interested in fucking around and having big burst too.

>Why aren't you playing
they didn't restore the old world and the old quests, so i have no interest in it

I've enjoyed raiding in ToS and NH a lot but its really a shame raiding is pretty much all there is to the game these days, all other content is braindead, boring bullshit.

2017
wow?

>playing to prepare for a patch

This might be the gayest shit on the planet. I know it's efficient but unless you're a NEET with one new game a year, why bother? I'll just play when the new shit is out.

Because they'll never make the game atmospheric ever again

Sure you've got challenging raids but they're now missing out on an entire aspect

This is the biggest problem. WoW devs today are designing a game rather than a world.

Yeah but the chances of that happening are so low that you would literally win multiple lotteries before maxing out a piece out of LFR. And you'd have to have a fucking genie sucking on your dice to kit out an entire character in decent gear by running LFR.

so just like a regular subscription based MMO then

Legion is pretty shit, tbqh senpai, and I say this as someone who's played and loved WoW from release day.

- broken shore is just another daily quest grind island
- leggos are completely random yet pretty much every dps spec has a couple that are absolutely mandatory to be able to do proper dps
- tank specs absolutely ruin pvp
- pvp in general is the same shit balance as always
- retarded ass rep grind to be able to fly (at least it's toned down a little from wod)
- story is pants on head retarded, lore has been ass raped beyond recognition
- the only things that truly make you unique are things from the cash shop, and even those don't make you unique anymore because so many people bought them
- arbitrary artifact quest chains locked behind raid quests that can't be done in lfr (the artifact appearance chain is pretty much impossible to do at this point, no one fucking does emerald nightmare anymore, and the extremely rare group that does disbands after wiping on dragons twice)
- instead of fleshing out garrisons and balancing them, they made a watered down garrison that you have to share with everyone other person of the same class and removed 95% of the garrison content
- on top of that, besides a couple exceptions, the order halls range from lame (rogue and hunter) to just plain lazy (death knight and demon hunter)
- Suramar, enough said

And it's painful

>very easy endgame conten
Is that true? That sucks, I bought FFXIV and I've been powering through it to get to the endgame, but that's kinda depressing if its super easy and boring.

Does SE really think they allure of their game is their shitty "cinematic" story and the terrible repetitive, poorly designed, running to and fro quests they force you to do 300 hours of until you get to modern content?

Because despite my many attempts at playing it, I end up following a cycle.

>Decide to go do some questing.
>Meet a guy during questing
>Become decently acquainted
>He invites me to his guild
>Guild is nice at first, being total bros
>Soon enough, something happens {be it a girl, gm in general being a douche, or just normal shit flinging gone too far)
>Want no part of this shit, just want to play WoW
>Guild never recovers, the infighting breaks it apart
>Decide to go do some questing.

>- instead of fleshing out garrisons and balancing them, they made a watered down garrison that you have to share with everyone other person of the same class and removed 95% of the garrison content
shut the fuck up, nobody wants garrisons in the first place, nevermind a fucking personal instance in which the only person you'll ever see is yourself in a fucking MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER game

>WoW
>great again
>2017

l m a o

if ur still playing world of warcraft after wotlk/tbc ur literal mouthbreathing filth

they could have at least done guild garrisons, like they said they were doing back in fucking BC

garrisons were not a perfect system, but if you think order halls are an improvement you're delusional

Order Halls are objectively an improvement over Garrisons in that there is less of them, and an improvement over Order Halls would be Nothing.

A guild garrison would be the same as that retarded Guild Perks system they added in Cata: total cancer.

>- broken shore is just another daily quest grind island

And it's probably the most boring zone they've ever made. I seriously have struggled coming up with a zone which has worse design than Broken Shore and I've been playing the fucking game since 2005.

It's not quite as bad as Silithus was in Vanilla. Silithus was literally the same thing but obnoxiously large and with hundreds and hundreds of monsters that slowed, snared and dismounted you all over the place.
Fuck Silithus was bad.

No. Garrisons and classhalls were pure cancer. Guild perks at least encouraged people to work together and build their guild. Poor execution, good concept. The fact that you defend garrisons in any measure shows how much ot a cancerous nu-male cum drunk faggot you are.

Remove dungeon, raid finders and any cross server shit and I'll consider it.

I literally didn't defend Garrisons at all. I was very obviously saying they were shit and should be removed. Reading Comprehension.

lol any area in val'sharah looks better than this super bland, low res bullshit c'mon

too bad that thanks to WoD the average WoW player these days is a delicate and dedicated single mom or turboautist who treats this game like a single player game, settling for beating LFR and otherwise treating the game like a achievement/pet/mount/title collectathon
i shit you not, people fucking threw tantrums because order hall campaigns and some profession quests required you to do instances
and blizzard seems okay with catering to these people (see: pet battle dungeons, chromie scenario)

now imagine the fucking fury they'd vomit from their mouth if they actually had to JOIN A GUILD in a fucking MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER game

...

Yeah nice areas is one of the things they routinely do well. Their environment art team are probably the best team they've got.

I agree, I think environment design is one thing they still do pretty indisputably well other than the fucking broken shore and High Mountain just being a pain in the dick to navigate.

Top be fair making content for those people is worlds easier than making content for the grognards who whine about raids being the only thing to do and also write off anything that isn't raids as non-content. At least you can make super casuals happy.

It's really hit or miss. For every Val'sharah there's an Emerald Nightmare LOL RED AND BLACK LITERALLY EVERYTHING IS RED AND BLACK (Or Green and Black, or Blue and Black...)

Their best Raid from a Visual standpoint in recent years was by far and away Highmaul. It had greens from plant life, it had earthy browns, reds and blues. It was their best raid from a visual standpoint since Ulduar.

All of the areas in legion were boring as fuck.

Looks better, sure but the presentation of Bradensbrook and Black Rook Hold was just awful.

Terrible music and more of a story which focused on Maiev than the actual history of the area.

That whole place was like a repeat of Gilneas City. So much potential and they threw it away.

>daily quest island
daily quests aren't even a thing anymore

I can understand the rest, but what's wrong with transmog and new animations, fag?

Hourly quests that keep spawning all day. Even worse.

and you don't need to do any of that shit

the chances are so low that at 908 ilvl equiped at a time when i have been doing hc to push legends on pug literaly on each raid was person which had better ilvl than me without stepping on mythic and sometimes even only with half gear from hc, good design

if you want flying you do, it's also the only reliable way to get relics

AP and legendary lottery have been pretty shit at the start of Legion, but, as one user already mentioned, their impact has greatly diminished due to how obscene artifact knowledge numbers are now (and it will keep growing with 7.3) and the sheer stat inflation on your regular gear.

The endgame content is not easy, it's pretty much the hardest you can get now in mmos. Don't listen to other people, experience shit and then judge it for yourself.

Well actually no, both primals can be done with randoms, but Raids are pure hell if you don't have static, only o1s can be cleared without problems in pugs, but o3s an o4s are impossible

Also, class "identity" hasn't really been a thing since they started that whole retarded "bring the player" policy back in wrath. The only vestiges left of that are mage portals, lock summons and some classes having bloodlust natively.

So you're saying I don't have to do my daily emissary quest?

>leveling from 100 to 110
>its the most tedious and boring shit ever
i've two chars on 110
i really want my rogue and hunter to be 110 too but holy fuck its annoying

>mfw there are people defending this man and his RNG crucible