This is the worst game in the Souls series

Fight me.

Second worst, it's also the first, so it has an excuse.

There isn't a single bad Souls game, so being worst isn't the end of the world

>second best
FTFY

Both of these

This

What is bad about that game?

I bought that game three fucking times. I love it. I still play it regularly.

it's the different from the next games

it's great, amazing even! Still isn't as good as DS1 or BB tho..

the best game in the series is the fifth worst, whats your point? Theyre all good and it mostly comes down to opinion.

GOOD GAME TIER
Dark Souls 1
Bloodborne
Demon's Souls

NOT VERY GOOD GAME TIER
Dark Souls 3

BAD GAME TIER
Dark Souls 2

This list is objective fact and non-negotiable.

Is this negotiable? Demon's souls>Bloodborne

Fashion souls I'll agree with you...simply because I haven't finished it.

These are the only acceptable opinions.

DeS DS and BB are all great games. DS2 and DS3 are not nearly as good. Souls games lean really heavily on discovery mystery and atmosphere and DS2 and DS3 fall flat there.

This is the worst remake of a game I've ever played. Hell the original only came out in 2012

sure

the order of the top 3 doesn't really matter

Actually kind of agree there. Don't get me wrong, the game was unique at its release, but it's the least deep of the series gameplay-wise, with some twisted mechanics (world tendancies were trash and barely explained).

However, Demon's Souls has arguably a better setting, art direction and lore. Almost nothing in it feels or sounds convoluted or far-fetched, which is the contrary of the Dark Souls series. DaS basically stated that men originally were immortal and starved-looking corpses who rose from the ground because of some divine bullshit who became healthy-looking and mortal by sharing the dark soul between them, while DaS III ended with a guy somehow getting back the dark soul by disgesting some dudes which blood had dried but somehow still lived.

At least Demon's gives a decent explanation of what souls are, how said demons came to be, etc. without giving too much details and leaving some parts of the lore open to speculation.

It came out in 2011.

I can see why someone might think that, but I disagree

Good fight OP

>Sup Forums is littered with unenlightened plebs

>least depth gameplay wise
They're all simplistic gameplay wise so what are you talking about

Correct

Anyone who thinks DeS is bad misses the point of the games entirely.

Nioh's actually my GOTY but good combat can carry a game for me.

WHAT THE FUCK DOES DES STAND FOR? WHY DO PEOPLE WRITE IT THAT WAY? IF YOU WANT SAY 'DARK SOULS' ABBREVIATE IT AS 'DS' WHY IS THE FUCKING E NECESSARY?

Dark Souls 2 is a legit bad game.

Not just bad for a Souls game, proper bad.

The only people that shit on DeS are "I'm a true gamer because I play hard games like DaS" faggots that incidentally ruined the whole franchise.

it's almost like combat is the most important part of gameplay and gameplay is the most important part of a game

>DS1
>good
LMAO

On the small chance you're not shitposting.
DeS - Demons Souls
DaS - Dark Souls
Both could be abbreviated to DS, which would cause confusion.

Demon's Souls, you mongoloid

Dark Souls>Bloodborne>Dark Souls 3>Dark Souls 2>Demon's souls

This literally cannot be disputed.

>it's another retarded shitter with terrible taste that actually thinks DaS2 or 3 is better than 1

To be more precise, character building in DeS is not as complete as other entries (plus, this is probably the entry where magic feels the most broken) and the game is linear, with each "level" being completely disconnected from the rest.

If DaS I didn't had that rough-to-awful second half (after O&S), I would say it's objectively superior at all levels.

Its better than ds1. Not bb tho.

Demon's Souls was always better than Dark Souls, the only reason this opinion was diluted was due to the flood of PCplebs who jumped on the Dark Souls bandwagaon

>character building in DeS is not as complete as other entries
yes it is, and it has some of the most fun builds and movesets in the entire series

"if everything is broken then nothing is" is the best design philosophy

DeS had god tier level design tho.

DeS level design is better. You can have wildly different area and it doesn't have to make sense.

>combat is the most important part of a game
depends on what game

>the game is linear, with each "level" being completely disconnected from the rest.
Just because each level is linear doesn't mean the whole game is linear. Hell, you can easily do progress at one arch stone and then jump to another, most people actually do.

It's like saying Mega Man X is linear.

DeS may had much better level design than any other Souls game but it's not god tier at all.

this. Demon souls is only slightly worse than dark souls 1.

It goes

Dark souls 1 >(slightly) Demons Souls > Dark souls 3 > Dark souls 2 sotfs > Bloodborne >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dark souls 2 vanilla.

Tower of Latria is god tier. Rest are good except for stonefang which is okay

>it was the first so it had an excuse
King's Field existed before

BB>DeS>DS1
Haven't played DS2 and 3 but plan on doing so

>yes it is, and it has some of the most fun builds and movesets in the entire series
Such as?

It's frankly linear and dull for most areas. The only area I genuinely felt to be truly labyrinthic and fun to explore was 2-2, especially since you can go straight to the boss yet have a whole cave to explore for goods and souls, without any "big picture" to know where you are with respect to the arch stone or the boss.

>DeS threads on Sup Forums were great. Total bros.
>DaS comes out. PC, 360 fags get to play now.
>PS guys don't throw a fit. Just happy for more souls.
>DaS threads are complete shit.
>Souls threads were never good again.

Demon's Souls level design is compartmentalized, but not actually linear. It follows an arcade-style.

Dark Souls 2 is at least as linear as Demon's Souls, but is a worse offender because it pretends not to be.

Dark Souls 3 is by far the most linear in the series.

Yeah, I don't blame their platform though. Just the numbers. Bigger communities are always worse than smaller ones. Hipsters were right all along.

no accounting for shit taste.

My fellow african

>PS guys don't throw a fit

Except they totally fucking did

>Tower of Latria is god tier.

This I'll give you, only for the second half though. The rest of the worlds are pretty average, not really anything that hasn't been seen before.

>Such as?
The great axe/cleaver moveset.
The DBS/Greatsword moveset.

Blessed weapon + adjudicator + regenerators ring + regeneration miracle builds that can regenerate health faster than consuming crescent grass as fast as you possibly can

Clever rats + morion which can boost your damage by about 270% combined with fire spray and firestorm. Best hyper mage in the series.

>Demon's Souls level design is compartmentalized, but not actually linear

Most of Boletaria castle is, most of shrine of storms is too (especially 4-2), and even though 5-2 contains more open areas, level design in the valley of defilement always gives you a straight path to follow with a few exceptions for secret items.

Also, what's that Dark Souls II game I keep hearing about?

>Dark Souls 2 babbies still exist.

And isn't part of the Souls series.

>DeS threads were the best threads on this site ever
>Curious PC and Xbox players came in, respect all around and PSfags even expressed wanting other platforms to experience this great game
>fast forward past the Great Cancer Migration
>PC is now the worst posterbase due to sheer numbers, ruined the Souls series
i wish the Souls games never came out on PC not out of platform wars, but because it's for the better for everyone. no "ARTIFICIAL DIFFICULTY" threads spammed, no forced git gud memes, no spam threads about Bloodborne being PS4 exclusive, no shitposts at all

>valley of defilement
Holy shit you shouldn't have mentioned it. It's 10 times worse than blighttown. The reason I nearly dropped the game

but world 5 is way more fun than blighttown

it's actually enjoyable and has a stable framerate

I wish there were only 2 games: Demon's Souls and Bloodborne

>no "ARTIFICIAL DIFFICULTY" threads spammed, no forced git gud memes

That shit started well before the PC release. They called it the "Prepare to Die Edition" for a fucking reason.

au contraire, its in fact the only good one my friend

don't you love it when nostalgia deludes the pshitters into thinking they're superior.

>who you trying to get crazy with ese?
>dont you know I'm loco

Boletaria > Shrine of Storms > Tower of Latria > Valley of Defilement >>>>>>> Stonefang Tunnel

i'll just leave this here

>That pure black tendency
>Melee build

>They called it the "Prepare to Die Edition" for a fucking reason.
Because they knew the PC audience would eat that kind of stupid shit up.

>going through 5-2 with pure black on a hyper mage

:(

Yeah. Sure. It had nothing to do with the fact that it was a meme that had already been created by the consoles players at all, Namco just randomly pulled it out of their ass.

That alone makes it all worthwhile.

You're fucking deluded kid. Demon's Souls was popular because of its punishing but fair difficulty at the time where every game held your hand. They decided to use the advertising be all about "this game is hard" and used the "Prepare to Die" tagline, it's even on the back of the Dark Souls 1 consoles case. Keep making up retarded lies to make it seems as if you PCancers aren't the problem to everything.

Why do you think SotFS is better than Bloodborne, user?

I might enjoy bloodborne more if I played it more. But i've only done 2 playthroughs because I don't own a ps4 and from those playthroughs I just didn't enjoy it as much as I enjoyed sotfs.

Mostly because all the bosses seem to be testing your mechanical skills. Only boss I remember in bloodborne where you could outsmart was the blood starved beasts with pungent blood.

>DS2babs still think their opinions matter

Put your sign down in 4-1 and see what happens fagboi....

>But i've only done 2 playthroughs because I don't own a ps4

I guarantee you if it didn't have "Dark Souls" in the title Sup Forums would be praising the shit out of it.

Bloodborne as whole is about technical/mechanical skill more than anything else, which is pretty much the antithesis of Demon's Souls since DeS has tons and tons of little quirks and tricks that you can use to deal with situations in unconventional ways. So I can understand why you would like Demon's Souls and dislike Bloodborne.

oh also, I hated how the jump button was mapped to the run button. Dumbest shit ever. Especially in a game that's suppose to be about being quick and fast.

As far as I could tell there was no way to change the controls of the jump button. Maybe I missed something.

I played it at my cousins everytime I visited him.

>but it's the least deep of the series gameplay-wise
It's actually exponentially deeper than all of DaS combined. Ever notice how each world in DeS has themes? Ya know, like how there's a world where you need to constantly be on the move, or a world where you have to take your time? No of course not, because you're only pretending to have played the game. DeS is the deep cut, DaS is the watered down version for sales.

Don't know about that. I finished the game yesterday (my first souls game) and I thought it was pretty good and challenging as a Wanderer.
The first 2 worlds(boletaria and stonefang) were hard as fuck, but I guess once you start leveling up, the game gets easier. The valley of defilement was a let down though, maybe because it was the last world I visited.
>that feel when finally kill mutant King Allant and the maiden in black tells me to go back.
>Feel something is wrong because earlier she told the Old one "I have brought you a new demon"
>Try to slash her with my Makoto sword
>She dies and my character steps on her head while giving in to the evil power of souls.
I felt a bit bad for her but I thought it was a pretty good ending.

It is, simply because its the first.

Pokemon RB are my personal favorites but they are, by any/all objectively measurable criteria, the worst games in the series.

Stonefang is the easiest world in the game. Almost all of the enemies are extremely weak to either magic damage or pierce or both.

Speaking of which I liked how much damage types mattered in DeS. They barely matter in the other souls games.

How u white trash cucks can even say that Dark Souls 3 is bad game?! R u retarded tards?

Its weird. While it had 1-1, 4-1 and whole of Latria, it also had the whole of Stonefang, the complete mediocrity that was 1-2 and the questinable choices made in 5-2,. The design is all over.

it's only slightly less shit than 2

If DeS and DS didn't exist, it would probably be considered a good game.

If DeS and DS did exist, and it was called Knights of Drangleic or some shit, it would be considered a derivative piece of shit, just a bit above Lords of the Fallen and The Surge.

Yeah
The game lets you go wherever you want, but that generally means that whatever worlds you do last are going to feel kinda easy since you've got upgraded gear and fat stacks of grass
On one hand it makes some places a little disappointing, but on the other it does feel great if you stumble into a place early and get fucked up but come back later and trash them

Dark Souls II exists.
/thread

Didn't play DeS, but in DS1 and DS3 there is a rule - what u see is where u will get ass kicked. I mean level design. And that is top tier. In DS2 level design is total crap, and it's played like casual corridor tomb rider n shit

DS2 is better than Demon's Souls and DS3. But I'm sure you'll jump on the bandwagon and say otherwise.

Nonsense. Sure you can go to most places you see in Das3, but it is by far the biggest corridor simulator of the three DaS games.

>DaS2 babies still exist on Sup Forums
>DaS2 babies actually think their opinions matter

Bitch, I've hated DS2 from launch. SOTFS didn't help much. It's bad in every way, except maybe PVP.

If you wanna say I'm on a bandwagon, fine, but I got on it as it left the station.

I'm saying otherwise. I still think the only people that love DS2 so much started with that game. Everyone I know who started with DeS thinks it was low tier for the series.