All better than Unreal. Is MT Frameworks outdated? Sure. That's why it should be upgraded to MT3 instead of abandoned. Where did this meme that Japanese were technologically behind come from? Even the Japanese themselves believed it. They've now all hopped on the Unreal train. An engine that is by no means any better than what anyone else was using.
This even ignores that some of the biggest Western games were by Bethesda, which has an awful outdated engine. Their games are laughably sloppy and behind technologically.
>Where did this meme that Japanese were technologically behind come from? Recent games
Colton Barnes
Performance is secondary to ease of use, efficiency and platform compatibility.
Joshua Rogers
>Performance is secondary to ease of use, efficiency and platform compatibility.
MT Framework had all these in spades.
Ryan Mitchell
>all these people with far more experience and better technical proficiency than me said so >do they know something I don't? No, that can't be it. Surely they just do not know these basic pieces of information despite working in the industry
Zachary Brown
Hellblade is the nail in the coffin right there, if Ninja Theory can produce a game like that on a budget on their own then Japanese developers backed by actual publishers have no excuse.
Nicholas Mitchell
Hellblade looks like an ugly turd.
Isaiah Phillips
Only goods games on the left.
Parker Gutierrez
Not really, it was nowhere near as efficient or usable as Unreal Engine 3, and in the age of Unreal Engine 4, Unity and such, there is a reason even Capcom dumped in favor of Unreal and their new RE Engine.
Jack Perry
Retarded weeb detected
Nathaniel Edwards
Its facial animation alone beats Uncharted 4, and that's not getting into the rest of the package. Your weeb is showing.
Connor Barnes
What does this prove? West makes big "spectacle" games that bore me to tears. Out of all those games, only Dark Souls 3, Nioh, and Last Guardian interest me. I want games that play like "games" and not movies. Western games are fucking cancer.
Logan Gonzalez
Hellblade's short as fuck though.
David Murphy
game next to witcher?
Gabriel Price
Ugly art style, boring gameplay. NT has never made a single game that has interested me, and DmC is a huge stepdown from 4.
Angel Gomez
I want to believe DMC5 will exist and not fall for the Unreal meme.
Liam Gonzalez
>why do people think japan is technologyy behind >gives reason >what does this proven durr
Cooper Barnes
There is absolutely nothing wrong with Nioh or Dark Souls 3. They are nice looking modern games.
Ian Cook
Go meme elsewhere.
Alexander Reed
Kingdom Come Deliverance
Sebastian Gray
>west: graphics over gameplay >japan: gameplay over graphics Really makes you think.
Cameron Anderson
The west's obsession with TECHNOLOGY is why their side of the video game industry is in such a sorry state right now and has been since day one.
Zachary Gomez
You sacrifice certain things to get that kind of graphical fidelity. What you fail to say is Hellblade plays like utter shit. 9/10 games on the left play like utter shit and focus too much on graphical fidelity and "Press X to Awesome" to have meaningful gameplay.
Call me when ANY western dev, or any jap dev for that matter, makes a game that looks like Hellblade but plays as good and as fast as Bayonetta or Devil May Cry
Logan Brooks
fox engine made by a french guy
Robert Scott
whoah... really... makes u think...
Blake Richardson
>complains about press x to awesome >thinks DMC and Bayonetta aren't these
Levi King
Yeah really makes you think
Evan Howard
Considering most of the majors engines that became the industry standard are western designed, yes, the Japs are behind. Programming languages? Western designed. Server technology? Western designed.
Samuel Wright
>Press X to Awesome" to have meaningful gameplay.
Just like Persona
Josiah Howard
Japan has better gameplay, better art style, better enemy AI, etc
Ian White
To be fair FFXV's graphics were extraordinary at times.
Ethan Edwards
>left - two Japanese games >right - zero Japanese games
Dominic Phillips
more like keft game made by big compagnies and right game made by indies.
Josiah Nguyen
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Ethan Scott
Xcom shits on any modern jap turnbased game
Samuel Price
>Japan has better gameplay Yeah persona, xenoblade, star ocean, FFXV have such compelling gameplay >better art style Wrong, they thrive for realusm but fall flat look at FFXV >better enemy AI they literally stand there waiting for you to attack
Nathan Watson
and guess who made the engine?
Connor Watson
>PS4 Japanese game in 2017
Jace Phillips
>better gameplay and artstyle.
That's just the weeb in you saying objective shit. I hate Asian artstyles with the exception of darksouls that takes on a more European style anyway
Parker Jackson
Sweet, when is GOTY 2017 coming to PC?
Logan Young
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Ayden Cox
Square Enix
Michael Adams
make me laugh how weeb damage control. they left the thread
Joseph Morales
>>PhyreEngine is this a joke?
MT framework was fine but fox sucks too.
Hudson Evans
Probably the biggest problem in japanese games visually is that weird inconsistency in quality of graphics. You can have beautiful vistas but them character models look stiff, some otherwise beautiful nip games have horrid NPC models, some environmental assets look very outdated...
Of course that doesn't really matter in the big picture of things because I don't play games for graphics, but it's still something that's often noticeable.
Liam Mitchell
Bloodborne and DS3 are made in PhryeEngine. They look great.
Jaxon Collins
>Japan >"gameplay" Yeah, because we need another turn-based RPG with anime characters and a horrible story with 300 hours of grinding.
Matthew Cox
Fuck off ACfag.
Kevin Long
Fuck off, Todd.
Aiden Perry
Jap games often have very clear quality discrepancies between "actors" and "props". Like that coldsteel game, the character look nice with some nice texturework, but props are extremely blocky with N64 textures. I seriously doubt that the textures were made only for 256x256 res, and couldn't use something better for the stronger console versions. I think it has something to do with Japan's habit of supporting old tech for as long as possible. Most Japanese PS4 games are more than likely made for PS3 and Vita as well, so the weaker version is the baseline they are built upon.
Isaiah Harris
>Every japanese game are low budget anime moe turn based jrpgs.
Liam Nguyen
i can cherrypick too western engine vs japanese engine
Tyler Morgan
Nioh and Dark Souls 3 were baller shut your mouth
Daniel Torres
I WANT TO ____ CID!
Josiah Morales
That's actually wrong but even if it were true those games run like fucking shit on console.
Jeremiah Watson
How come whenever someone posts an example of a good looking Japanese game it's always deliberately emulating a Western style? >Dark Souls >Bloodborne >MGS >Dragon's Dogma >Dead Rising
Jeremiah Clark
>Where did this meme that Japanese were technologically behind come from? Even the Japanese themselves believed it. Durrrr maybe because it's fucking true dumbass? Wtf do you even know about engine tech? Nothing? Do you just think that since it's Japan they should automatically be better by default because youre a massive fucking weab?
Anthony Peterson
Japan has actual alternatives with rich, deep and brutal gameplay. What does the west have? Indies? HAHAhAHa HA Ah AH ah AH AHh AH AH HA HA!
Charles Morgan
>Fox sucks Now this I can't forgive. One of the biggest losses to gaming is the fucking Fox Engine, you turd.
Liam Ross
This You cant come up with the triple A bullshit excuse anymore
Japs are just lazy
Ian Myers
Besides Witcher, everything on the left is garbo
James Carter
Xbox is literally deader than the WiiU in Japan, and a lot of Japanese games have been coming to PC.
Adrian Stewart
It fucking does. It costs god knows how much money and for what?
Caleb Peterson
>a lot of Japanese games
umm sweetie, ports of ancient games on now-dead consoles don't count.
Isaac Russell
DaS3's engine is shit.
Daniel Barnes
Demon Souls and Dark Souls use the PhyreEngine. From has just been updating it on their own since then.
Parker Richardson
Both run like ass and have shitty lighting, which is why everything looks so fucking muddy.
Carter Walker
>Demon Souls and Dark Souls use the PhyreEngine. No they don't retard.
>DmC >>Unreal fps on PS3/360 That doesn't come from Unreal. Guilty Gear Xrd is made in Unreal, runs smoothly and looks gorgeous. Same with the lastest Dragon Ball fighter game. Y'all need to stop with the "engine = predefined performance" meme, they obviously have different overheads but the dev is still mostly responsible for its performance.
>Squeenix went around recruiting a bunch of western devs from eidos montreal, crystal dynamics, and IO interactive to create the limunous engine >g-griorious nippon engine forded one mirrion times!
Matthew Anderson
>Lead Sony engine developer >Muslim SJW The jokes write themselves.
Josiah Morgan
Retards think realistic and technically impressive = good looking.
Gabriel Sullivan
Eh, nah, Japanese games are shit and so are their engines. Unreal is just okay, but you're right that Bethesda are fucking hacks, even worse than Jap crap by a long shot.
Hudson Kelly
The fuck does he know? He doesn't work at From.
Owen Morgan
The PS4, this year alone, got Yakuza Zero, Nioh, Persona 5, Puyo x2 Tetris, Project Diva Future Tone, Azure Revolution, Resident Evil 7, among others. Of these, only RE7 came to PC, the only noteworthy games PC got this year are ports of games consoles had years prior, like cold steel, nier 2, and some senran game. It's easy to see that PC is not a major platform for Japanese games like everyone else makes it out to be.
PC ain't getting shit.
Gavin Scott
It's still just console trash. The overwhelming majority of their PC ports and games are horribly ported and/or optimised.
Caleb Barnes
>It's easy to see that PC is not a major platform for Japanese games like everyone else makes it out to be.
Thank god. One less genre of trash I have to sift through on Steam.
Jaxon Jackson
Literally 99% of those are shit, you can emulate P5, and PC got even more exclusives than all of those combined including the wothwhile multiplats you mentioned.
You're a fucking retard but yeah keep playing Azure Revolution and Project Diva you literal sperg.
Thomas Robinson
Do you even know what an engine? Your posting frame rates from specific games like it means something.
Why do you think companies are willing to pay 5% of their gross to Unreal for the privilage of using their engine while these other engines you said are only used by their local company? It's obvious which one is better. The only reason the local engines exist is because it's cheaper than giving Unreal their cut.
Wyatt Mitchell
>Your posting frame rates from specific games like it means something.
MT Frameworks is much more efficient an engine than Unreal 3 and is easier to get 60fps.
Noah Collins
Rance, VR Kanojo, Honey Select, and the definitive edition of all Japanese multiplat games(there are more of these than good Japanese console exclusives) make PC gaming better for Japanese games.
Not to mention emulation.
Adrian Stewart
this game is so good and the only reason I don't regret owning a ps4. I don't even use my ps4 anymore and so hyped for kiwami, probably gonna poopsock it the first weekend I have with it
Hunter Young
>Why do you think companies are willing to pay 5% of their gross to Unreal for the privilage of using their engine while these other engines you said are only used by their local company? It's obvious which one is better. The only reason the local engines exist is because it's cheaper than giving Unreal their cut.
Or it's a dumb bandwagon nips jumped on due to their inferiority complex and thinking Westerners are inherently better?
Robert Bell
Real fucking easy to make a good looking game when it's less than 10 hours long, Witcher 3 is the only exception, modded oblivion doesn't count for shit either
Ryan Powell
Its easy to make a game looks amazing when its actually a fucking movie Bloodborne is still the best game of all time even with the 30fps chromatic aberration bullshit
Camden Price
Its eaay to make a game over 10 hours long when its filled with slow tedious combat and activities
>muh movie Well meme'd
Jace Bell
>PC doesn't have them so it's shit
Classic case of sour grapes.
>indie games (because console licensing is too expensive for indie devs) and porn games (because consoles don't allow porn games)
>definitive edition of Jap multiplats
Yeah, like the Evil Within and uh... oh wait that's right! Japanese multiplats DON'T FUCKING EXIST
>muh emulation
Ethan Johnson
Dragon dogma easily shits on any similar western game in term of combat
James Long
Not him but I don't even give a shit about the weeb trash they put on Steam recently. I wish they had kept their garbage on consoles, we already have enough shovelware shit.
Ayden Turner
Guess which platform got Vanquish on 60 fps
Isaac Rogers
>Where did this meme that Japanese were technologically behind come from? Even the Japanese themselves believed it. They've now all hopped on the Unreal train. An engine that is by no means any better than what anyone else was using. If you don't know shit about engines or why companies make the decisions they do don't talk about the situation as if you have authority on it. They use an already made engine for the same reason anyone does: $$$$$
Nathaniel Cox
>muh "muh argument" Well meme'd
Jeremiah Morales
>>PC doesn't have them so it's shit Wait where did I say that? It's a fact those games are fucking awful.
>>>>>>>indie games (because console licensing is too expensive for indie devs) and porn games (because consoles don't allow porn games) Now this is sour grapes.
>Yeah, like the Evil Within and uh... oh wait that's right! Japanese multiplats DON'T FUCKING EXIST lol you're so ignorant it's not even funny, you already mentioned a couple of them but yeah ignore all fighting games all anime games, MGS games, Final Fantasy games, and lord knows how many more I haven't mentioned.
Stay mad you fucking vocaloid fanboy, absolute autist.
Thomas Foster
look at those....games. I think one good game on left?
Michael Peterson
Sorry turbonigger I have a PC Xbone and PS4 and after i got done with Bloodborne all ive been playing is fuking Zelda on Cemu. Western games fuking suck even with the 300 million dollar budgets and Ultra Highdef 8k textures
Hunter Butler
>Put the best game engines for Japan down only used on a handful of games >Compare it with the easily accessible Unreal 3 engine
What did the weeb mean by this?
Kevin Bell
DMC4 is made up of simple, relatively small rooms and areas that you progress through. There's jack shit to render most of the time, so I'd be surprised if it didn't get a decent framerate.
Zachary Smith
Japan makes definitively better action games. Compare Darksiders or God of War with Metal Gear Rising or Devil May Cry. Japan wins by a mile.
