Why are Japanese composers so much better than western composers?
Why are Japanese composers so much better than western composers?
David Garcia
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Noah Sanders
>copy obscure music
>hope your target audience doesn't notice
video game composers are just musicians who couldn't make it in the music industry, just like how video game writers couldn't make it in hollywood.
Cameron Morris
>No Soichi Terada
OP as always, is a faggot
Cameron Miller
>No Yuzo Koshiro
I can only assume OP wasn't thinking clearly due to all the dicks in his mouth cutting off the air getting to his brain.
Kevin Morris
>no kenji ito
>no minami matsumae
>david wise best song is stickerbrush symphony
>koji kondo amd nobuo uematsu are considered good in any way
fuck off normie
Leo Edwards
>no Go Shiina
>no Miki Higashino
Also Eruyt Village is not Sakimoto's best song.
Logan Taylor
Hajime Wakime, Yuka Tsujiyoko, and ACE+ are missing.
I would also say Harry Gregson WIlliams, if his best work wasn't plagurised
Jeremiah Scott
you posted the image so why don't you start?
Christian Martin
>No Masafumi Takakda
Pretty lame. His music is stylish as hell.
Sebastian Roberts
>Inb4 Halo
I think Martin O'Donnel is pretty good.
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Owen Thomas
Marty o donnell. On a side note, movie soundtracks are far better in the west, like ennio morricone. In fact, the most famous orchestra music is all european
Adrian Smith
>Yoko Shimomura
>(Best Song: Main Theme Xenoblade)
I don't think so, Tim.
Robert Jones
Birth of a wish? Really?
I mean it's good, but really?
Brayden Davis
Williams is hollywood, I don't think he should count really, if we allow non-vidya person made game music than Quake would have to count.
Parker Gomez
>Stickerbrush Symphony
>Not Haunted Jazz Club
Sure signs of someone who has never played DKC2
Evan Long
hahahaha stay mad whitey
Matthew Sanchez
>Memeatsu and Kondo in anything but mediocre tier
>Hamauzu's best song not from SaGa Frontier 2 or Unlimited
>Implying Shimomura's best work is from Xenoblade
>No Kenji Ito
>No Yuzo Koshiro
>No Masato Kohda
>No Falcom Sound Team
Erase yourself and your abysmal taste OP.
Andrew Wood
>No Grant Kirkhope
Can you try and hide your weebness a little better dude?
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William Lopez
Jeremy Soule is a hack. He doesn't deserve to be among the rest of High Tier.
Alexander Sanders
>Shimomura's best song Xeno's main theme
Jaxson Scott
>No Yuzo Koshiro
John Hughes
>no Keiki Kobayashi
shit rankings
Nathaniel Lopez
>No Hiroyuki Sawano
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Jaxon Butler
Liam Richardson
Kirkhope is good, but I don't know if anybody is going to play a 2 hour video, you should have just done Mad Monster Mansion, Hideout Helm, or the Weldar boss music
Lincoln Lopez
>No Koshiro
>No one from Falcom
>No OGR or Zuntata in general
>No Kirill Pokrovsky
>No Tim Follin, or anyone else from the C64 era.
>No Jesper Kyd
>No Kenji Ito
>No Soken
>Kondo and Uematsu on god tier.
>Those fucking "best song" selections
Did you just fucking grab this from reddit?
Brayden Diaz
>Implying Sawano should be there after NLA night.
There are some really good songs in XBX but when Sawano droppped the ball he really dropped it
Evan Nguyen
>no Tomoya Tomita
And noone complaining, what a bunch of dumb persons
Jason Torres
Oh okay, gotcha here is his later work, which yooka lylee reeks of if you play it.
Ryder Wood
Pic related is why.
Before the '90s, western popular music was based on the traditional principles of melody, progression, cadence, instrumental precision and harmony. You can see this in the timeless work of bands like the Beatles, the Moody Blues, Yes, ABBA, Fleetwoord Mac etc. Both progressive rock and heavy metal combined aspects of classical music with pop to bridge the two into a fusion that would later define video game music composition.
In the 1980s, the aspect of synthesizers and studio gimmickry along with MTV lowered the expectations of what constituted quality music by distracting the public with shiny technological noises and musicians clad in wacky hairstyles and getups. As a result, a genre known as "alternative rock" was created, where bands such as R.E.M., the Replacements, the Pixies, 10,000 Maniacs, the Stone Roses and so on and so forth stood as a, well, alternative to the mainstream that was being infected with style over substance.
Yet even then, mainstream music still persisted in a standard of musicality even if certain trends were lowering the bar. But as the decade went on, those trends would quickly overstay their welcome, and the public was hungry for something new to satiate them. This was the opening that alternative music had to take the mainstream mantle.
But something went wrong.
That something was Nirvana, a tremendously shitty garage band from Seattle, fronted by a drug-addled loser with not a hint of musical talent. Suddenly, the industry had an idea: use this opportunity to hypnotize the public into thinking an interchangeable zero-talent band devoid of musical value is cool as shit. And it worked. With Nirvana being the new standard, droves of talentless "alternative" bands with no grasp of anything music-related and pop music in the west turned to shit.
Cameron Morris
>He doesn't like LA Night
It's the day theme that's bad but the night theme is unironically one of the best tracks from the game.
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Lincoln Cox
Their generic orchestral crap isn't just a bunch of rip of The planets
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Wyatt Hill
Your list is retarded because you didn't even mention this masterpiece. youtube.com
Adam Flores
>he calls instrumentals "songs"
pleb detected
John White
Yeah, I played and enjoeyd YL, and sort of liked the clear transition between composers, like you could tell when it had shifted to Wise incredibly easy.
Day theme isn't great, but a lot better than night
Zachary Hill
Meanwhile, in Japan, the "grunge" trend of non-alternative alternative passed to public by while they held on to more advanced forms of music like metal (real metal, mind you, not the "metal" that plagued America in the form of glam rock), prog rock and classic rock.
This is why there is such a strong difference in the quality of melody and progression between western and Japanese music. Japan still clings to technical composition based in classical theory, while western scores are amelodic "textures" that use tonal gimmickry to hide their lack of musical value similar to the fancy synthesizers of the 80s and the overwrought guitar distortion of the 90s.
If you go back to the early years of gaming, you will see that western games once had a quality of music composition similar to Japan's. But once Nirvana's despicable influence crept from popular music to the rest of the western musical consciousness, the quality of film and music scores in the west followed, as can be seen by the drastic drop following the fourth console generation.
Wyatt Harris
>Hiroyuki Sawano
>composes for television even for games
He's the Hans Zimmer of vidya
Julian Jenkins
Uhh what the hell do you think a song is?
Jeremiah Sanders
He's helping compose rabbid xcom and he's still around. His work is much better than many basic
JRPG composers, and helped kinda pioneer the "same song changing instruments" motif I absolutely love.
William Lewis
Wise's best song.
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Caleb Ross
>he calls instruments making sounds"""""music"""""
absolutely disgusting
Brayden Hughes
>No Koshiro
Christian Evans
Aaron Morales
I liked the Tenteyecl one, but all the challenge ones were great, and sound like what he did in Tropical Freeze.
Yeah, Kirkhope is the only reason I'm interested in that game.
Also I can't seem to find it, but I love the interview he gave about how he got into vg music, and it was somebody told him to apply and his first reaction was something like "But I don't want to do videogames, I want to be in Judas Priest"
William Butler
traditionally a song has singing.
I guess you want to be super technical most video game music is "Instrumental Music Recordings"
Andrew Perez
Sit down, weebs.
Owen Harris
>Best "Song": Birth of a Wish
>not Song of the Ancients
>not Shadowlord
>not Ashes of Dreams
>not Kuroi Uta
I shouldn't expect taste from someone who refers to a piece as a song, but come on.
Chase Evans
skimmed the list, came to post this.
Nathaniel Lopez
do you have any proof to stand these bold statements?
I'm far from being a music connoisseur, I enjoy Nirvana time to time and I honestly can count with my fingers the music i like post 2005, but how the hell did he destroyed it?
Benjamin Mitchell
Something with singing, dumbfuck.
Brayden Bailey
So Moonlight Sonata, Four Seasons etc.
Are they not classed as songs to you?
Matthew Peterson
ikr. It's a great song, but Song of the Ancients is a thing.
Isaiah Reed
The original Nier's OST was never documented for who did what songs, the only one I know he did for sure from those Nier songs is Songs of the Ancients since he's credited with its arrangement and composition on Automata's OST.
Nathan Williams
Ryan Price
>Shoji Meguo (Best Song: Hunting Betrayal)
Leo Adams
Don't mind me, I've been conditioned so hard in classical music circles to ridicule anyone who calls anything that doesn't have singing a "song" that I can't help myself. Calling any piece of music a song is so widespread that it's correct at this point. ...but still outs you as a pleb
Luke Edwards
Jace Rodriguez
They are to me, but assholes like to get semantic They are compositions.
A recording of someone playing the composition is is a Instrumental Performance Recording
Carson Fisher
This is more autistic than the cinema vs film vs movie vs flick discussion
Hudson Hill
>No Hirokazu Tanaka
>No Kazumi Totaka
It's shit.
Michael Harris
What's meant to be the difference between them?
Jayden Williams
DoD 3's ost was well documented, so we know Kuroi Uta is Okabe.
Spot on on NieR though. Wish someone'd find out so I can tag my shit better.
David James
>Yamaoka anywhere but ASCENDED tier
Trash list.
Hunter Wilson
Yeah I'd really like to know too, Song of the Ancients, Wretched Automations and Grandma were definitely Okabe since he has compositional credits for the rearrangements on Automata and Emil seems to Hoashi has he has compositional credits for the rearrangement on Automata but other than that it seems we'll never know.
It tickles my autism when soundtracks aren't documented when there are multiple composers, Square is also really good about it most of the time too. I even own the physical CD for Nier and the credits are nowhere to be found.
Jose Young
>not exclusively listening to doujin music
plebs
Ryder Ross
where the fuck is masafumi takada?
Jayden King
>no Ryu Umemoto
I shiggy diggy
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Blake Lewis
>Why are Japanese composers so much better than western composers?
You've never heard of
>jesper kyd
>kirill pokrovsky
>jake kaufman
>david wise
>gustaf grefberg
>mick gordon
>paul romero
>paweł błaszczak
>alexander brandon
>michael mcCann
>etc
?
Carson Carter
I was going to put he and Kenji Ito where Soule and Wise were but I felt bad not putting any western composers on there.
Also best Takada song coming through.
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Luke Edwards
>Nobuo "The Hack" Uematsu
>Elder god tier
>No Daisuke Ishiwatari
Fuck off with this trash list
Landon Hill
You mean like yourself? Forest Interlude or gtfo.
Benjamin Hall
I love Daisuke but he's the most blatant about ripoffing other musicians.
Like Magnolia Eclair is just straight up Electric Eye.
Oliver Brown
>no ZUN
opinion discarded
Asher Sanchez
David Wise is superior to all of these
Blake Reed
>no danny elfman
disregarded
Adrian Richardson
They actually understand all the technical aspects of creating music, something Europe used to know and something America never had.
Dylan Kelly
I don't pay attention to wester video game soundtrack composers as much, hence I am more likely to value japanese soundtracks over western ones.
I don't think it means anything intrinsically, aside from western games being generally more boring to certain demographics of gamers, who then care less about western soundtrack composers.
Dylan Reed
>japanese composers are better than western composers
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Benjamin Sanchez
Ken Nakagawa is elder god-tier.
Carson Rivera
>Uematsu
>best song Terra's theme
lol nigga that's not even top 3 in its own game.
Ryder Harris
Meme tier:
>Yuzo Koshiro
>Hitoshi Sakiamoto
Justin Martinez
>nobody has posted literally the single greatest video game music ever created in any dimension
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Weabs irrecoverably BTFO.
Grayson Brown
>no stewart copeland
Adam Nguyen
>Plok
my motherfucking nigga
that game has the best soundtrack i have ever heard in any game. insane that it was made on the snes.
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Evan Gomez
I bet most of Sup Forums doesn't even know who half of these people are.
Nolan Green
>no motoi sakuraba
Carson Lopez
>no Jeroen Tel
John Mitchell
Honestly the best western composers are indie composers
Tomas Dvorak (Machinarium, Samorost)
Darren Korb (Supergiant Games)
Jukio Kallio (Nuclear Throne, Luftrausers)
Everyone from Hotline Miami and Furi
Michael Kelly (Va-11 Hall-a)
Lifeformed (Dustforce)
Ed Harrison (Neotokyo)
Disasterpiece (Hyper Light Drifter, Fez)
Danny B (Super Meat Boy, Crypt of the Necrodancer)
Module (Shatter)
Daniel Gutierrez
Name one (1) iconic song from Sakuraba that isn't Gwyn, Lord of Cinder.
Jordan Thompson
This. Why was DKC2 soundtrack so fucking good?
Brody Russell
Needs Keiki Kobayashi(Ace Combat) and O'Donnel(Halo). Tim Follin needs his own tiers as well.
Austin Brown
>Jeremy Soule
pretty good until you realize literally all his music sounds the same
Justin Taylor
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If you're not glitching your way past the hardware to make masterpieces, you're doing it wrong
Austin Gutierrez
You forgot Jake Kaufman.
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Cooper Garcia
>no Mahito Yokota
Also, Koji Kondo is incredibly fucking overrated and has some of the shittiest opinions on music ever.
>guhhh Mario shouldn't have orchestrated music because it's a kids game
Justin Ward
It's funny how everyone in this thread is ignoring this. Uematsu has even blatantly ripped off old classical pieces when making his music (Dancing Mad), most nip videogame composers are hacks.
Josiah Evans
>mfw Japanese poorfags had to listen to this...
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Jayden Cook
He's right though. just because you're hung up over liking a kids game doesn't make him wrong.
Daniel Bailey
>instead of this
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Luis Hughes
>no koto hoshino in this thread