Now that the dust has settled, can we all agree that this is the best game in the series?

Now that the dust has settled, can we all agree that this is the best game in the series?

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Gameplay for sure and that really is the most important thing. Not my favorite though. I play MGS for the long ass cutscenes.

Yes, and it achieved its namesake, which is what Kojima intended.

No.

>Gameplay for sure
The gameplay is one of THE biggest problems though. Only the hands-on controls of Snake are good, but everything else you have to do is a terrible slog.

Gameplay is great when you're actually in an area populated by enemies. WHich is only about 60% of the time. The other 40% is travelling through empty space to get to said areas. Unforgivable empty padding.

it was okay.

Not as great as 3 but better than crap like 2, 4, and PW

>better than crap like 2, 4, and PW
2 for sure.

4 and PW? Fuck no.
I was hyped as fuck for TPP simply BECAUSE it seemed to become a "PW 2.0 HD", but in the end we only got an empty, soulless husk of a potentially good game and only HALF the enjoyment of PW.

>I play MGS for the long ass cutscenes
weirdo

>The other 40% is travelling through empty space to get to said areas

What are you talking about, that's bullshit.

>Only the hands-on controls of Snake are good, but everything else you have to do is a terrible slog.
Exactly. People say MGSV has the best "gameplay" of the series, what they really mean is that it has the best character controls of the series, as the control of Snake was very tight and precise, everything else about the gameplay like level design and enemy variety was a huge step down.

But the core of the gameplay is controlling snek, you do that to get a rank and try to improve your score like literally every other metal gear game

>you do that to get a rank and try to improve your score
Please don't tell me there are people who do that

>when u have to shitpost to get answers

>he only plays for the cutscenes

You can enjoy the game without being autistic

>it has the best character controls of the series, as the control of Snake was very tight and precise

Tight and precise is the last way I'd describe MGSV's controls. They're good overall but not as good as MGS2 or 3, which actually have tight and precise controls. Venom feels too heavy and clunky and his turns are too wide.

I agree that 2 and 3 have much more precise controls, especially with how characters turn instantly, but V has a fluidity that not many games have matched. The way you transition from prone to crouched to standing is excellently animated and executed with little to no pauses.

Serious question: who's worse -- MGSV fags or FFXV fags?

>playing PW after V
soo much wasted potential, i thought it woul be proto V for the PSP but it was actualy a really fun game, played it on the PS3 and almost %100 it last month, is it worth emulating the PSP version?

I will stand by the idea that MGSV was meant to be disappointing for MGS fans and was made to kill the series in a bad way, unlike MGS4 which tried to kill the series by having the story end with no loose ends.
People who actually say they like MGSV are either contrarian fags or never actually played a good game, let alone any of the good MGS games

If you emulate the PSP version, it'll just be the PS3 version with awful controls

cool, PS3 controller is broke so ill emulate it

How does one git gud at FOBs? I can't for the life of me figure out how to get past all those cameras and lasers and drones and billions of riot armored S++ guards.

Yes because Venom was so busy not fucking Quiet even once, he got shit done, because he had no real attachment to anyone and that is what makes him best Snake.

>MGSVfags
>cannot take any criticism of V and start shitting on 4 in order to compensate, like that changes anything
>a large number hasn't even played other Metal Gear games
>propagating the "best gameplay in the series" meme while misunderstanding that the gameplay is more than just how Snake controls, and even then that is less complex than 2 and 3's
>cringy-ass memes like the Quiet ones
>"I enjoyed it, so it must be good"
>"you just wanted to see Snake kill African children"

>FFXV fags
>try to enjoy a game that's magnitudes better than the last two or three mainline Final Fantasies

I wonder. V is like an objective 5 or 6 out of 10, depending on how much you care about the game insulting your intelligence.

>better than the last two or three mainline Final Fantasies
>better than XIII-2
>better than XIV despite it being an MMO
>better than LR despite that insufferable cunt being the protag

Yeah, no.

To be fair, I don't actually care about Final Fantasy. Not after FFX and whatever the fuck else came out afterwards. But I don't see how XV's fans are any worse than what's essentially a bunch of casuals who think they can voice their opinion and straight up ignore others.

>liking PW
How to spot a retard pleb

Nice GenZ Xbot arguments there, mate.
Excuse me while I enjoy the most FUN MGS to date, with the best online components of the entire series.

Hey, I can't stop you from wasting your life on shit games, user :^)

This. I have been playing it recently and my opinion has improved massively.

The key is to deal with the fact that it's not the game the trailers and PR made you expect, but it's definitely an insanely fun operating and management romp.

I also like the Venom twist.

No, but we can all agree that it's better than 4.

It wouldn't be if there was more gameplay in 4. I would have been satisfied with more below-deck infiltration on Outer Haven

Fuck NO

story is shit
gameplay is not MGS

i was only impressed with the graphics

>gameplay is not MGS
time to throw out 4 and PW then, autism-kun

>4
>not MGS

MGS4 still had that MGS feel, what are you on about

I'm saying MGS4s and PWs gameplay were things that led to the gameplay of V. So saying V doesn't have MGS gameplay implies the shit set up with 4 and PW isn't MGS either.

The only thing MGS4 introduced was crouch-walking and the ability to shoot from third person.The core mechanics and the pace/feel of it was still MGS

PW only, 4's controls are a bona-fide evolution of what you see in two and three. Yes, there are cutscenes which are too long and a story bridges three fucking games worth of constant retconning, but don't pretend what gameplay is there is not like MGS just because you can fucking crouchwalk.

V controls great, they changed the CQC from the GZ iteration for some unknown reason for the worse but aside from that it's stellar, but it could've been more complicated. Actually, fuck the controls, V's biggest problems are a lack of good level design, insultingly stupid plot and sticking with shit like tapes despite not doing anything with them.

Speaking of not doing anything with shit that was better in PW - side ops, amount of R&D to develop, lack of co-op, lack of Battle Gear/Metal Gear customization, outer ops being straight up unfinished. V has a shitton of problems that people just ignore.

The main control scheme was also prototypical of V, which PW then cemented (at least on a PS3 controller)

>he main control scheme was also prototypical of V
No it fucking wasn't, its almost identical to 2/3 with more CQC goodness

>Speaking of not doing anything with shit that was better in PW - side ops, amount of R&D to develop, lack of co-op, lack of Battle Gear/Metal Gear customization, outer ops being straight up unfinished. V has a shitton of problems that people just ignore.
Corridor missions aren't fun, PW is a PSP game so who cares about better guns when I was just rushing through it, I don't really give a shit about bad PSP co-op, outer ops are shit, ZEKE just sits in a hangar as well so who cares.
I can walk on my base in V, and that's more than enough to make it better than the shitfest that is PW

Welcome to Sup Forums, enjoy your stay

>shoulders buttons to ready weapon and fire
>almost identical to 2/3 with more CQC goodness
fuckin lol, MGS fans suck

>shoulders buttons to ready weapon and fire
I see you've only played MGS4 and V

Not in the slightest.

and PW*
thanks for dropping the argument there, it was getting too autistic

>Corridor missions aren't fun
There were more than just these in PW.
>PW is a PSP game so who cares about better guns
Anyone who likes playing good games. What sort of a fucking argument is "who cares"? PW arsenal is straight up better, especially if you're a gun enthusiast.
>co-op
You don't have friends to play with, ok. I don't see how that impacts anything I've said.
>outer ops are shit
Which makes V's addition of them doubly shit. Congrats, your game has a subsystem that's worse than a portable counterpart.
>ZEKE just sits in a hangar as well so who cares
Can be build up and customized through collecting boss fight parts (lmao, boss fights, remember those?) and that impacts the final mission. V could've at least fucking tried here. Battle Gear might've been a replacement but Kojima couldn't be arsed to develop that fully after 5 years in office.

Fuck off with your non-arguments. "I can walk on my empty base", what a joker.

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MGSV is a great game but it's not better than MGS1, 2, 3, or PW.

So, is it a good stealth game? I wanna kill people in silence.

>There were more than just these in PW.
No, there weren't
>Anyone who likes playing good games. What sort of a fucking argument is "who cares"? PW arsenal is straight up better, especially if you're a gun enthusiast.
>gun enthusiast
yikes
>You don't have friends to play with, ok. I don't see how that impacts anything I've said.
My friends don't play shit games
>Which makes V's addition of them doubly shit. Congrats, your game has a subsystem that's worse than a portable counterpart.
lol no, outer ops in PW forced me to sit through turn based combat I had no control over. At least in V its just a timer I play the game and wait on
>Can be build up and customized through collecting boss fight parts (lmao, boss fights, remember those?) and that impacts the final mission. V could've at least fucking tried here. Battle Gear might've been a replacement but Kojima couldn't be arsed to develop that fully after 5 years in office.
Yeah, the MH grind, that was cute. Boring, but cute. And please dont defend the damage sponge mecha. Fighting Skulls is way better than that trash
>Fuck off with your non-arguments. "I can walk on my empty base", what a joker.
>notanargumentmeme
lol what you can expect from retards who like PW

i can only speak for myself, as having played all the solid games, getting the first one when it came on out the ps1.

the first one is the best one,

the second best one is the second one

the third best one is the third one

the fourth best one is the fourth one

the fifth best one is that gamecube version of the first one

then ground zeroes, then the phantom pain

if the phantom pain had been like a normal metal gear solid but with mgs5 mechanics it would have probably been almost as good as snake eater.

"lay down" is a nightmare on psp version, fix your pad.

that said I got to the giant tank with chainsaw crane with zero kills despite broken psp buttons.

>PW forced me to sit through turn based combat
>turn based combat
>forced me
You haven't actually played Peace Walker, that explains things. That or you haven't paid any attention.
>please dont defend the damage sponge mecha. Fighting Skulls is way better than that trash
Calls PW's bosses damage sponges and then brings up Skulls in the next sentence. You're fucking golden you know that? PW's bosses had more variety, more work went into them, they have more attacks, etc. Skulls are similarly shallow and easy to take down and similarly bulletspongy if you bother to play their extra mission. Fuck outta here man.
>lol what you can expect from retards who like PW
"'uhh uhh you're retarded for enjoying both V and PW as opposed to just V, my pee pee hurts" hahahahaha you cannot make this shit up. Learn to argue against and accept criticism you fucking dolt.

>You haven't actually played Peace Walker, that explains things. That or you haven't paid any attention.
I certainly love watching flashing squares lose health for 5 minutes after every mission
>b-but...you can use z-zeke
wooboy
>Calls PW's bosses damage sponges and then brings up Skulls in the next sentence. You're fucking golden you know that? PW's bosses had more variety, more work went into them, they have more attacks, etc. Skulls are similarly shallow and easy to take down and similarly bulletspongy if you bother to play their extra mission. Fuck outta here man.
So you suck shit at fighting the Skulls? Not my problem. I bet it's because the skulls actually go after you instead of just repeating boring attack patterns that you step to the side of continue pumping ammo into
does it make you mad to fight the skulls?
>"'uhh uhh you're retarded for enjoying both V and PW as opposed to just V, my pee pee hurts" hahahahaha you cannot make this shit up. Learn to argue against and accept criticism you fucking dolt.
>m-muh internet argument
lol, PW fans. Literally the most babyshit folks

>I certainly love watching flashing squares lose health for 5 minutes after every mission
literally what?

>literally what?
youtube.com/watch?v=UzkBxHAcmhk
and you say I didnt play it

PW is better than V, you fucking nerd

>I certainly love watching flashing squares lose health for 5 minutes after every mission
You said you were forced to watch turn based combat which can be skipped to get results immediately, you'd know that if you played the game. You can't read?
>So you suck shit at fighting the Skulls
You can't read. I said they're easy to take down, you just shoot them until they die. Or throw a grenade in the first mission, that's enough to take them down, they're a literal non-challenge. IF you play their extra mission they become literall bulletsponges, shoot until they're dead. You're shitting on V by shitting on PW's bosses, except the latter actually has more variety to it.

Anything else you can't even respond to so I guess my job here is done. I doubt every V fan is like that, but it shows what I said earlier - most of you people are fucking babies who cannot deal with people criticising V. Then it's either PW this or 4 that.

>V, not 5
What series
It's not part of any main series, it is his own self contained piece of shit.

>Button fast forward LITERALLY below Auto Play
Also you don't even have to watch these to get the rewards, you fucking baby. V doesn't even have that, it doesn't have building squads out of existing soldiers/ZEKE to reliably increase percentage, etc. V's is less complex and more shallow, that's a fact.
>inb4 who cares about outer ops

you can literally choose not to watch outer ops, skip to battle result. or just not do outer ops if it triggers you so.

Is this game completionist friendly, and how long would such a playthrough take?

nah
>You said you were forced to watch turn based combat which can be skipped to get results immediately, you'd know that if you played the game. You can't read?
and then you will never know what goes wrong in the RNG hell, and you have to waste MORE time farming vehicles and soldiers for a shitty game segment
>You can't read. I said they're easy to take down, you just shoot them until they die. Or throw a grenade in the first mission, that's enough to take them down, they're a literal non-challenge. IF you play their extra mission they become literall bulletsponges, shoot until they're dead. You're shitting on V by shitting on PW's bosses, except the latter actually has more variety to it.
Nah. Skulls are fun to fight, lame ass singing mecha aren't
Truth.
>Anything else you can't even respond to so I guess my job here is done. I doubt every V fan is like that, but it shows what I said earlier - most of you people are fucking babies who cannot deal with people criticising V. Then it's either PW this or 4 that.
This is what autism looks like, remember it, do not emulate it.
Skip PW

>nah

yeah. cunt.

Obviously autistic children on Sup Forums care about Outer Ops, silly

noperoni

>and then you will never know what goes wrong in the RNG hell, and you have to waste MORE time farming vehicles and soldiers for a shitty game segment
There is no RNG, it's literally just "get a bigger team" -> "win". If a soldier dies or a vehicle gets blown up you're told in the battle results. Again, dude, it's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about. It's ok, you can like a game that's objectively worse than PW in some ways, don't worry.
>blah blah some stupid shit that will convince no one. Truth.
nah
>Skip PW
Or just watch it on youtube like you did, lel.

>Obviously autistic children on Sup Forums care about Outer Ops, silly
I think a more obvious sign of autism is not being able to argue with adults, but what the fuck do I know.

>There is no RNG, it's literally just "get a bigger team" -> "win". If a soldier dies or a vehicle gets blown up you're told in the battle results. Again, dude, it's obvious you have no idea what you're talking about. It's ok, you can like a game that's objectively worse than PW in some ways, don't worry.
>objectively
>basically admitting you clocked enough hours into a shit game to make outer ops not matter
lol pretty autistic, user, but you seem to be having a breakdown right now
user is so critical of behavior, but so quick to lower themselves (by their own standards) and then some :^)
PW is shit, and you'll just have to live knowing that

I said "in some ways" but we've already established that you can't read so nothing new on that front. V is objectively worse in some ways than PW, I can repeat that, maybe third time's the charm with you.

The rest of the post is just "muh autism", pretty much cementing you as a fucking baby. Peace out user.

outer ops is easy though, by the time you cap their tank you should have three seperate teams steamrolling everything in there.

what I don't understand is how and why anyone hates the army building part PW (technically portable ops first) added and V kept, its one of the best additions, you can even play as someone other than snake if you feel like it.

>Peace out user
lol 90s kids xD
Later, autism-deluxe

I liked PO and V, I did not like PW because everything was vomit.

Handsome

I love Venom Snake, I want Venom Snake to chokehold and rape me

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worst game.

shit technology, generic third person shooter gameplay, broken unfinished story, tiny amounts of content with copy pasted padding missions, no depth, microtransactions, 10x less cinematic value as previous games even peace walker.... i could go on forever.. 3 companions? a dog who can stealth kill, a horse to ride and a sniper who can provide covering fire? awesome man. open world is tiny.

i still like it though, lol.

mgs1 > mgs2 >> mgs3 > mgs4 >>>>> PW > mgs5

I'm simply doing to say this

It is a perfectly fine game in its own

It is a terrible MGS game

Screech all you want, that is the objective truth. Take your "godly gameplay" and stick it up your arse.

It's a good game in its own right but it lacks some of the charm of MGS, namely the bosses with tragic back stories and interesting boss fights. Plus the areas weren't as tightly designed besides Ground Zeroes

>arse
threadly reminder that eurotrash is cancer

>4 above anything
kys

But the sub-text of all those games is that they're constrained to a mold they can't break without upsetting consumers

I'm not gonna screech

Whatever you say Ameritard.

yeah MGSV was kinda average and didn't hit fans expectations, but what hurts me more is that its the last Metal Gear game from Kojima. After the fallout with Konami, the MGS series is now basically dead. I guess it's for the best.

I riked it.
Only played 1, 2 and acid tho.

>metal gear acid

Gameplay: yes
Story: no

Well, obviously it has the best graphics and engine. Other than that, it's the best controlled Snake of the behind-the-back-camera MGS games. MGSV and MGS1 have the tightest controls.

Metal Gear Solid 3 is still overall the best in the series.