This is the worst game in the entire Metal Gear franchise by such a long shot that it's not even up for debate...

This is the worst game in the entire Metal Gear franchise by such a long shot that it's not even up for debate. This game ruined the entire series. Do not reply to this thread. Let it archive with 0 replies. For this is the truth and there is nothing to argue.

Other urls found in this thread:

youtube.com/watch?v=jHcBWQZ90SA
twitter.com/SFWRedditGifs

I agree ..................................
.....................
...........................................

Wrong.

I returned my ps3 the next day after playing mgs4 piece of shit console and game

nope, its mgs5. Kojima left his legacy with a stain of shit after the masterpiece of MGS4.

why do you feel that way, user?

MGSV released two years ago today. Now that the dust has settled, what does Sup Forums think of it?

It's true. You'd have to be a brain dead Kojimadrone to say otherwise. TPP's story was trash but at least it was fun to play.

>after the masterpiece of MGS4
Die

Gameplay's good, story's bad as a whole.
Skullface was a weakly motivated villain.
I played through every MGS game aside from this one and have still spent far more time just playing this.

it feels like a completely different game to the rest of the series, but that's not explicitly in a bad way.

STANDING

Not to mention TPP's story is completely irrelevant and barely changes a thing. It can be ignored as some meaningless side story. MGS 4, on the other hand, makes sure it shits all over the story established by the previous games, giving the series an awful conclusion.

Characters, dialogue and themes are great but it's fucking unfinished so we're left feeling so unsatisfied.

The gameplay was the worst thing about TPP. The most enjoyable part of playing MGS games was always the memorable boss fights, but TPP didn't have any, just the same bland open world shit you do in every other game these days. It could have just been a third-person Far Cry game.

Not fun enough if you ask me. 4 has at least 2 or 3 areas where I can fuck around and really dive deep into the game systems. V is always the same boring slog. Fultoning is the worst shit ever and Motherbase is an eternal reminder of what could have been.

Agreed.

>Only substantial acts of gameplay are 1 and 2
>Tons of plot contrivances that only exist so the game can exist: CODEC team from Snake Eater being the Patriots, Big Boss never died at Outer Heaven and was kept alive through nano machines and reconstruction through Liquid and Solidus' bodies, Naomi is now a world class computer scientist despite dedicating her entire life to being a geneticist
>Psycho Mantis' regrets of not using his powers for good retconned for no reason
>Patriots experiment on Raiden despite already having said technology during the events of MGS2.
>Vamp's powers being hand waved with nano machines when there was never a reason to explain them to begin with
>A literal joke character is now an important character and marries Meryl
MGS4 is hot garbage through and through.

Nice reverse psychology fuckface. It worked on me.

>guise i think the fistfight at the end was so frigging win
>hehe and holy crappers!!! big boss shows up O_O and he gives a big nonsensical plot exposition
>so epic...
>this is good, isn't it?
What fate do you give this cancerous kind of MGS fan? Remember, a simple quick execution is too merciful.

fun before you realize how repetitive it is. Plot is fucking nothing and might as well be forgotten

trash. absolute trash

Might as well post it, how's it feel knowing there will never be anything like MGS 1-3 again?

MGS4 > MGSV

Someone's thirsty for some (You) action.

Hahahaha. Good one, user.

>never played metal gear
MGSV connected MGS and MG only pleebs don't know this

MGS4 does kind of feel like a game that was made to cash in on the popularity of Big Boss now that he was seen as a cool protgaonist type guy who had better gameplay than Solid Snake did up to that point.

I can accept 4, warts and all, as an ending to the series. PW and V are just unnecessary and make the already stupidly complicated backstory even more so.

what does that have to do with it not being TRASH NIGGA.

The retcons were stupid as fuck.

>Sup Forums suddenly likes MGS 4

Wow it explains how Big Boss "survives" MG1 and nothing else how fucking incredible

I loved it. When GZ came out I was stuck with it for a good while before V so I got very good at it, learned to have fun with the game itself in several ways, I got 100%. Then V came out and I just wanted more game to play, people tend to nor like it because they wanted more cutscenes and story. I didn't have this problem and loved the tapes, gameplay, and thought the cutscenes were plenty.

The Paz side mission was awesome, the quarantine mission, anything with Skull Face was interesting because he was just a fun villain, the truth tapes did a lot to connect characters and events and give more insight.. I thought it was good.

I just wish there was a NG+, I don't like picking and choosing mission to replay I need progression.

there are people right now in there very thread breathing the same fucking air as you who havent played mgs 4 and formulated their opinions based on other peoples opinions

>I can accept 4, warts and all, as an ending to the series
That's terrible, user. What mental disease ills you?

Fact: Anyone who says MGS4 is worse than MGSV has never played it.

This is a long running joke in the series, nobody really cares because it's what the games are known for. Is this supposed to be some kind of blow? I love the cutscenes, I watch them all everytime for every game.

ITT: People who couldn't afford a PS3 back when MGS4 came out and are still bitter about it

I'd take tons of cutscenes over shoving the story into audiotapes.

the gameplay of 1 and 2 feels super archaic, 3's when the gameplay got good.

Lol, no. V has it's problems but it's obvious that it could have been amazing. It just wasn't finished. I loved what bits of story we actually got, and the settings were unique and interesting.

4 doesn't have a good core, it's shit by nature. Kojimbo didn't get shafted on time or money. MGS4 is a lemon because of the goal Koji set out to accomplish: tie up every last string possible and put a cap on the far end of the MGS timeline. Only acts 1 and 2 are actually great - 3 is just terrible, 4 is good but could have been better, and 5 has some decent moments but the ending is totally botched.

>I love the cutscenes that constantly take control away from me from what little gameplay there already is in this game and shit all over the story of this series, turning it into fanfiction tier shit
Good for you

>an actual story
>versus FUCKING AUDIO TAPES

wow, I'm shocked.

4 has awful writing but at least it has emotion behind it. I can't say the same for V.

Indisputable fact number one: The only people that are alright with MGS 4's lack of gameplay are people that spent a fuckload of time playing and enjoying MGO 2

Indisputable fact number two: The only people that spent a fuckload of time playing and enjoying MGO 2 were way too poor to afford a PC and the much superior shooter experiences it had at the time.

Sorry guys, wrong pic.

>Kojima meant well when he was raping MGS with 4. He jizzed so much. There's passion behind the act. He did nothing wrong.

Whoops, keep messing up.

Just like Skullface and Paz

3 is where the gameplay went to shit. The more simplistic stealth of MG2, GB, MGS, and MGS2 was more fun than slowly crawling around everywhere and digging through menus.

I actually enjoyed 4, I enjoyed all the others more
though. I actually preferred audio tapes to endless
cutscenes because you can keep playing and choose how much story you absorb. 1 will always be my favourite due to how different, inventive and immersive it was for my young self. I still Remember figuring out changing controller ports and shitting myself at the invisible dudes in the elevator.

MGSV has a mostly shit story but there wasn't anything left to explain.

4 ruined the series
By the time PW and V were released, the series had already been ruined by 4
You can't ruin what's already ruined
And thus, MGS 4 is objectively the worst game of the series.

MGS4 is only a narrative mess because it had to clean up the shit left behind by MGS2

>MGS4 does kind of feel like a game that was made to cash in on the popularity of Big Boss
Hideo Kojima stated in an interview that 4 was literally made because everyone wanted answers to the mysteries in 2 and 3.

Why else would he say "did you like it?"

One of the best games ever made.

Which was never meant to be answered in the first place, MGS4 is the most forced game I've ever played.

Touku touku hanarete ite mo
Kimi no moto e tsudzuiteku michi
Hana yo kaze yo mai chiru yume yo
Todokete inori no uta

Yuugure ni somaru machi
Itsumo miteita kimi no egao
Futo sora wo miageru tori
Sonosaki ni mieru no wa mirai?

Itsuka hitori tabidatsu kimi
Nani ga atte mo

Douka douka kanaete hoshii
Taiyou no hikari wo chikara ni shite

Touku touku hanarete ite mo
Kimi no moto e tsudzuiteku michi
Hana yo kaze yo mai chiru yume yo
Todokete inori no uta

Akiru hodo hashagi nagara
Nando mo kaita onaji mirai

Sabishisa wo tomo ni idaite
Ikisaki no nai tabi ni deru

Itsuka itsuka tadori tsuku kimi
Donna ni natte mo
Dou ka dou ka wasurenaide
Yasashisa nukumori aisuru omoi

Konomama konomama watashi wa koko de
Haruka kanata kimi wo mitodoke
Nagai nagai tabiji no hate ni
Tadoritsuku michishirube

Meguri meguru unmei ni soi
Tatoe subete ushinatte mo
Hitori mukau itoshii kimi wo
Mukaeru sonotoki made...

Konomama konomama watashi wa koko de
Haruka kanata kimi wo mitodoke
Nagai nagai tabiji no hate ni
Tadoritsuku michishirube

Touku touku hanarete ite mo
Kimi no moto e tsudzuiteku michi
Hana yo kaze yo mai chiru yume yo
Todokete inori no uta

I could agree with you OP except that MGS4 has one of the best final battles.
Sums up the entire series of metal gear solid.
It is the ending, and a brilliant fucking ending.

MGS 2 was best left unanswered. The answers Kojima shat out for MGS 4 were all terrible.

when are they finally going to remake 1-3 with the fox engine? everyone knows it's what will happen so just do it now fucking chink jews

Actually it's the best. The worst by far is Metal Gear Solid on PS1.

the soliton radar and the forced camera angles had you actually having to rely on looking at a tiny little map constantly so you don't fucking run into guards.

how is 3 /worse/ than that?

>Todokete
SETSUNASA NI WA

A fight that was all a dream against liquid only it wasn't actually liquid and they injected dues ex machines into each other repeatedly

Bravo kojima

Bait.

2 > 3 > 1 >>>>>>>>>> V > PW > 4
The first three are all 10/10 in their own way, the remaining three struggle to reach 7/10 territory.

The first chapter of the game is fantastic for story and I liked that the story was there but not really in your face. While Skullface wasn't the best villain I did find his final scene satisfying but obviously not up to the MGS3 standard.

The second chapter is a piece of shit that only has 5 real missions while the others are just repeats.

The ending is something I didn't get first time I played it but replaying it for 100% made me think "oh I get it, it's just stupid"

I've been trying to 100% this game and some of the requirements for the missions are bullshit, it seems too easy to fuck up some of the conversation chains you have to listen to and after the ending I didn't really care about them for story reasons.

The multiplayer is god awful.

Solid 7/10 tho

However I'm going to have to deduct 7 points since since you couldn't kill the children and Quiet showed to much skin.

>Which was never meant to be answered

>MGS 2 was best left unanswered.

got any proof? You fucks keep claiming it but never provide proof.

>The answers Kojima shat out for MGS 4 were all terrible.
at least we got closure. It's not my fault you didn't like the answer

That's not really true, though. MGS4 is less preoccupied with MGS2's loose ends specifically than it is with being a bombastic resolution to the series in general.

Nothing about MGS2 suggested Raiden needed to be brought back as another cyborg ninja, or that Big Boss and EVA needed to reappear, or that Ocelot's goals and motivations should revolve entirely around Big Boss, or that Naomi or Mei Ling or Meryl should make contrived returns, and so on. MGS4 is as much a weird sequel to MGS3 and MGS1 as it is to MGS2. It's not MGS2's fault that MGS4 exists, anyway.

>Paz and Chico get raped, then have sex with eachother and Paz has a bomb planted inside her vagina.

Do we really know if this happened? They could have just fucking hugged, there's nothing to infer in the tape beyond a loose guess

>I've been trying to 100%
getting S rank is not going to be a problem, but have fun gathering every species of animal throughout the game.

What I'm saying is even if it's not that good 4 at least has something to bring to the table. PW and V add literally nothing to the overall plot of the series besides shitting on the backstory and 3's ending even more.

You have the radar as a reference, but it doesn't detract from the uniquely brisk pace of the games. You can always see what you need to with a little caution and scouting.
Remakes are almost always cancerous. The only people that sincerely think Fox Engine remakes are a good idea are teenagers enamored with polygon counts.

youtube.com/watch?v=jHcBWQZ90SA

^^^^THIS VIDEO EXPLAINS IT ALL ON MGS4

>got any proof? You fucks keep claiming it but never provide proof.
Yeah. MGS 4's shit plot is the proof.

>at least we got closure
MGS 2 was closure, you fucking dumbass.

Some of the conversations were annoying, I just followed a YouTube video second by second to make sure I got it.

I actually didn't have that much trouble finding the plants/animals, it only took me about an hour or so to find the remaining ones. Then again I probably had over 100 hours at that point so I think I had half of them done.

>ending
What ending?

>4 at least has something to bring to the table
Shit. It has shit to bring to the table. This is not a good thing. I'd rather have my table without any shit smeared on it.

>MGS 4's shit plot is the proof.
that does not count.

>MGS 2 was closure, you fucking dumbass.
that mess was not closure

mgs 4 is only hate because a lot of kid were too poor to buy the ps4
so they memed it to death on internet
a lot of people had to watch it on youtube not because its a movie but because they could not afford a ps3

>MGS 2 was closure
Yeah right. With crazy Liquid Ocelot still on the loose and The Patriots "dead"?

Acts 1 and 2 are objectively some of the best stealth action levels ever made and shit on everything V has to offer besides MAYBE Camp Omega. Act 3 has a shit gimmick but is a pretty fun sandbox on repeat playthroughs. Acts 4 and 5 are pretty much just conduits for the story to happen.

I'll say one thing about mgs1...
METAL GEAR? SHADOW MOSES????? ZANZIBARRR?????????

They maybe did play it but just aren't real MGS fans

I enjoyed it. I just wish the final content wasn't locked behind an impossible online challenge.
Overall better than 4, though I liked Liquid Ocelot a bit better than Skullface.

Only good if you've never played a MGS game before, which is why newfags like it so much.

>almost no story
>repetitive missions
>less gameplay mechanics and features than 4
>game is mostly desert
>soundtrack is mostly licensed music
It's shit

It's a fine game but I will never not be disappointed with it.

Thematically MGS2 is a pretty complete story. Requiring every loose end to be neatly squared away for a story to have closure in your eyes must make it hard to enjoy anything other than blockbuster movies. I'm glad I don't have that problem.

Of all the complaints to level at MGS2's story (and I have several) the ending lacking closure is a stupid one.

>final content wasn't locked behind an impossible online challenge
What content and what challenge?

>Snake...had a hard life

Nothing else hits as hard as that. NOTHING.

Don't (You) me

The scene where Venom is forced to kill his own men because they're infected was pretty emotional. Both because of the plot, and the meta sacrifice the player makes undoing the work they've put into the game up to that point.

>mgs4
>too much cutscenes fuck kojima
>mgsv
>not enough cutscene fuck kojima

the mistake kojima made was lidtening to the fanbase

>Of all the complaints to level at MGS2's story (and I have several) the ending lacking closure is a stupid one.

the ending lacking closure is a big complaint because you still have the AI fucking things and Liquid Ocelot in a Metal Gear.

Just like Raiden being bad on his own is a complaint but MGS2 fags ALWAYS WITHOUT FAIL twist it as a "muh Snaek" complaint

...

Nuclear disarmament. Each platform's player base is grouped together. Whenever a platform's entire player base gets rid of their nukes, the last cutscene will play. But of course that will never happen.

Not to mention the cutscene was leaked almost immediately so there's no real reason to even bother trying.

Hey wow thanks for your good accurate post guy who has played MGS games
I also like to blay blideo bames and ya kojiba bery stubid for lidtening to fanbdase

>Metal Gear Series

Then Metal Gear, Metal Gear 2, Metal Gear Acid, Metal Gear Portable Ops, and Metal Gear Online has it beat for worst

True, but it still seems shitty that they force the entire player base to work together on a goal where even a single solitary player can invalidate all their combined effort. They should have forced the player to build nukes at some point in the game for story reason, then set the cutscene to unlock when the player chooses to get rid of their own nukes.

Friendly reminder that Rising has the best story in the series since 3 even though (or maybe because) it's a borderline parody.

No it doesn't.