This is how it starts

This is how it starts.

Faggots ironically defend unhealthy business practices because they think it makes them sound smart and level headed. Then people who don't understand the issue join them because "hey I want to be the smart one." Then companies see support for their bullshit and go in harder.

Mark my words, within 1-2 years Bethesda will release a game that is purposefully difficult to mod, but will easily work with approved Creation Club mods. And faggots will defend it saying "hey, they gotta make their monies SUMHOW!" Gamers are such fucking sheep.

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I'm hoping we get into a nuclear war and civilization ends within the next couple of years so that I don't have to witness this shit sink any lower.

Did the ancient civilizations have these kinds of people?

Here i thought i was the only one

Yes in Rome they had Christians.

Maybe as they were collapsing, yeah.

I mean I can't imagine being able to build any kind of society with any of these people. And I mean any kind, including a loose tribe of savages.


When the cavemen first banded together around the fire to help fend off the leopards these were the guys going "Nah man, the leopards gotta eat too, stop being so entitled".

>Let's kill all of humanity because video games aren't that great right now and some people are greedy
Grow up you fucking child. Jesus Christ.

>make a pizza
>everyone loves your pizza
>someone puts pineapple on your pizza and people love it even more
>but it's YOUR pizza and you didn't tell them they could put pineapple on your pizza
>tell people they can have pineapple on their pizza next time if they just give you a little bit more money but this time it's legally sanctioned
>call them unfair for it

That's what your doing.

>Reddit spacing
>DUDE SOCIETY IS TOTALLY GONNA COLLAPSE BECAUSE BETHESDA IS GREEDY

Western Civilization has terminal cancer and if you can't see that then it's you, you're the tumour.

>starting a new thread to reply to a post that still exists in a thread which still exists

Just reply to you fucking attention whore.

>Pineapple on pizza
>Food analogy
>Defending Bethesda
Strike three
Get the fuck off this board.

ITT commies

>Food analogy

quit qouting your own posts

>Reddit spacing

you know I wnet and looked at reddit and people there don't seem space like that too much, what does this actually mean?

>Sell someone your pizza
>giving fuck all what they do with it once your end of the bargain is complete

I want commies to fuck off.

Anyone remember horse armor? That's how all this fucking bullshit started.

>it-it was those pesky christians that are to blame for the fall of rome
kys autist. the eastern part of the empire survived for more than a thousand years with christians in charge.

>This is how it starts.
No, this is. Newfags like you who haven't been around long enough to realize that none of this shit is anywhere near as new as you acting like this is the start of some massive downfall that hasn't already been a work in progress since before you were born.

Yeah dude I'm with you xD
Wouldn't it be cool if like zombies killed everyone or something xD
I mean clearly we shouldn't work to better society. Clearly we should just burn it down.
You seriously sound like a god damn Rorschac parody you fucking infant.
Stop trying to be edgy and get a job.

>Western Civilization has terminal cancer and if you can't see that then it's you, you're the tumour
A real shame the west WILL outlive the grorious Nippon, huh?

How much time do you think the nips have left?

Spacing like that online is decades old.

This. You aren't special. You aren't waking up the sheeple. You are just as much a sheep as anyone else if you think you are.

Oh God. Another terrible food analogy. Okay, here's a counter food analogy.

>sell you a pizza
>you take it home
>some guy gives you free pineapples to put on your pizza
>you take it
>pizza store tries to charge you extra for pineapples and tries to prevent you from using the free pineapples you have back at your house
>obviously you would call it unfair

Anyone remember brood war? That's how all this shit started...

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>REEEEEEE STOP LETTING PEOPLE VOLUNTARILY CHARGE MONEY FOR THINGS, I WANT THEM FOR FREE

Fuck off stupid commie. This is how the free-market works, vote with your wallet if you don't want it.

>Formatting your post is Reddit bogeyman
Is this the current state of Sup Forums?

Japan's part of Western Civilization these days and so's South Korea. Neither can survive long without American backing.

It's a term faggots use when they're scared of the Reddit boogeyman showing up. It's also great for when you don't have an argument and just want to spew the latest meme that Sup Forums tries to force.

Pineapple on pizza should get you sent to a concentration camp.

t. Icelandic user

it really amazes me how many people don't understand that the business to consumer relationship is naturally adversarial
its actually quite simple if you just boil it down
as a consumer you can basically gain nothing out of having contentment with anything ever
its really always in the consumers best interest to complain

Well, ive pirated most of their games so i cant really complain.

>food analogy

And your metaphor sucks because you imply Bethesda is giving something, which they aren't, they are only charging for things that have been free for years.

What actually his happening is
>sell pizza with free toppings
>start charging for free toppings with no benefit to buyer
>act like there was a problem with bad toppings even though you could easily avoid that
>Retard on Sup Forums makes an analogy to video games to defend this shitty practice

>shitthesda games start selling less on PC because modding was their only appeal (certainly not the shit writing or shit gameplay)
>become a console-first developer
>their RPGs become all about sucking gay black trannie cock, just like what happened to bioware
>all because Todd was an even bigger jew than Gaben

If horse armor came out today, would people have defended it?

There are people on every board that suck corporate dick 24/7, and even if they're doing it ironically to troll me, the power of irony is lost if they do it all the time.

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>Op so buttblasted he had to waste a thread for a rebuttal.
You're the cancer killing this board.

Here's a better food analogy

>sell you a pizza
>>you take it home
>>some guy gives you free pineapples to put on your pizza
>>you take it
>>pizza store hires the guy to put pineapple at their store
>you can still free pineapples you have back at your house
>call then umfair for it

People are paying top dollar for gun paint DLC, of course they would.

>paid mods have been around for ages
>replying to your own post with basically the same comment
kys and stop settling for bad business practices because you are used to them by now. Also I've been on this site since 05 go fuck yourself

The only true food analogy for Bethesda games:

>guy makes food from his shit
>tries to sell you his shit-food
>you don't want it but lots of people won't stop eating it
>he sells more and more and doesn't stop

Sometimes jokes become the reality, just look at the US president.

Yeah! And micro-transactions in $60 games are fine because they are just cosmetics! They wouldn't actually go farther and charge for stuff that affects the game. Oh wait never mind.

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The only hope for video games is socialism. All developers must seize the means of production from the thieving executives who dumb down and monetize video games to line their coffers while giving barely any back to the workers who made it. Only then will we never see corruption like "paid mods" or "season passes" again.

Those were gnostics, dumbass.

>getting this upset over something so insignificant
Autism

Yeah microtransactions totally ruined my experience of a game! Stfu faggot

>Gamers are such fucking sheep.
>have identity built around toys
>is stupid

What did you expect chief?

>make a pizza
>everyone loves your pizza
>someone puts pineapple on your pizza and people love it even more
>but it's YOUR -

STOP

All sales final. That pizza ain't yours kid. Its the customers. What they do with the product is non of your concern at this point in time.

I bet they'll add Crab Power Armor for FO4 in the future

can you Americans ever stop using shitty food analogies?

Food analogies as a whole aren't bad, just that you guys use them horribly.

You don't own your video games

>make a pizza
>include a container of pineapple with every pizza
>charge people for the key
>force people who don't want the pineapple to take it anyway, even if it's useless to them and just takes up space
>somehow manage to fuck up reality to the point where if someone DOES add another topping to pizza it just adheres itself to the bottom of the crust and makes a fucking mess

see why food analogies don't work when it comes to digital goods?

>thinks a consumer base complaining about a product is retarded
If you've played Slyrim you have downloaded a mod, think of the hundreds of dollars you could have hypothetically spent on a mod

Mods should be left alone, passionate people who share what they have made should never be restricted. Restricting passion of life, is arguably more 'communist'

you do know that the guy was a corporate shill hired to influence the views of people on social media sites including this place, right?

the amount of proof you've shown has convinced me to a proportional degree

legally speaking that is true. The same can be said with digital copies, However, reality wise, with my physical copies I can damn well do whatever I want with them. I can backup my ps1 games, I can install mods on them etc etc. I see warning not to do with them but hey if I do it and don't scream it at corporate no one would care.

I think it means using a double line-break after every sentence, effectively making each sentence its own paragraph. But, as you pointed out, it's not clear whether people on Reddit even do this more than anyone else. Besides, in practice, accusing someone of "Reddit spacing" is just a way to change the subject when you have no argument.

Sometimes, on this board, there will be an accusation of "Reddit spacing" just because someone correctly used double-spacing between paragraphs (as is usually the preferred style when indentation cannot be used), instead of just posting an unreadable wall of text. If you needed any further proof that Sup Forums is full of stupid children, there it is.

But Trump is literally /reddit/'s president

you're the one that should be going back to r/the_donald

Makes me feel like attacking its weak spot for massive damage.

>gnostics
Yeah, the byzantine motto was 'death to the archons!'
PLS

it will never end

it will keep getting worst

they'll block off all free mods in the new games and only allow access to the creation club mods.

Creation club will still cost money too.

faggots defending unhealthy business practices started last gen

SEGA pulled one of the scummiest tactics (even more so than shark cards) when they released sonic mania on pc, hell, even their "compensation" of sonic1 was actually an attempt to get out of the refund policy. Yet, all these people defend sonic mania and SEGA on steam, believing that SEGA actually cares about them, and believes the SEGA did the right thing, even when the devs themselves knew what SEGA did was absolute bullshit. So yes, people are more retarded than ever.

I'm surprised that creation club even got the low reviews it did.

Not terminal cancer, that is a misconception, more like a goddamn fly in your ear, you will kill it eventually and everything will go back to normal, its just a cycle really, at one point americucks and specially eurocucks will stop listening to the 1% of degenerate population and start doing what they do best, killing minorities, is just a matter of time really, history preves me right

1 example

>Opposing practices companies use to get more money

Fucking liberal commies. #MAGA

>Stop eating hamburgers
>I mean they're not bad but you eat them wrong
Don't tell me what I can and can't do.

example nr. 2

Like the Romans cleansed their civilization of minorities and degenerates and still survive tod- oh

Grandpa here, pushing 33 this year.

I hate this, but it's time for the fresh 20 year olds to decide for themselves. I don't care anymore if video games are destroyed by these DLC practices. If fresh new baby adults want to pay 20$ for DLC, 60$ for main game and then 30$ for DLC that fixes main game, then so be it. It's their money.

My point is I'm old and my voice doesn't matter to Bethesda. They only listen to the people who pay. If these adults who have been 4 years out of their diapers and born after 1997 and have no idea what video games used to be, I can't blame them either.

I've never bought a single "Season Pass" and I rarely install mods as it is. I've been on Sup Forums for over a good part of 8 years and I can tell you this place has changed by mostly people leaving over the years and new blood rushing in wanting to "be cool".

I say let Bethesda ruin video games forever. I don't give a shit anymore. Just remember kids, you vote with your wallet so don't cry later.

example nr. 3
want me to keep going?

That's capitalism for you.

Technically, the physical copy is still only a license to play the video game. The source code, and by extension the game itself, is owned by the developers.

>Sup Forums shit
opinion discarded

Voting for your wallet is part of capitalism you know

Sup Forumsboy BTFO

If we hsd communism there would be no video games

So you just went and tl;dr it, good job you are a smart cookie

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those examples are from all boards, not just Sup Forums you shill head

Here's what's actually happening
>company announces X
>from an even-headed point of view it doesn't look particularly good or bad, most people just wait for more info
>doomsayers start freaking out, and calling everybody who isn't screeching as loudly a mindless sheep drone who will single-handedly ruin all gaming forever
>as the number of people who ask them to shut up increases the doomsayers start forming a martyr complex, little realizing that the people who are "bringing the industry down" aren't the ones they're yelling against, but people you wouldn't find on fucking Sup Forums

>doesn't affect you in the slighest

Creation club literally breaks some free mods. They are trying to fuck free mods so everyone has to use their shitty paid "creation club" mods.
Bethesda used to support the modding community because they depended on that community to fix their broken fucking games, now they decided to bite the hand that was feeding them out of greed.
techraptor.net/content/fallout-4-creation-club-files-auto-downloaded-breaks-free-mods

Good, communism when?

The plural of "anecdote" is not "data".

Just because you can provide two or three examples, doesn't make it true. You would need to show an actual trend to support your hypothesis, and even then the most you can prove is a correlation.

>mod creators themselves choose to sell their mods, bethesda isnt holding a gun to their heads
>free mods still exist
>you can always look at reviews of a mod so you dont waste your money if you choose to buy one
>people who've always created mods for free will continue to make mods for free if thats what they want to do
>people who'd like some compensation can upload their mods to beth if thats what they want to do
>people who want to support these creators can choose to purchase the mods if thats what they want to do
What exactly is wrong with this?
It would be a different story if paid mods were the only option available but thats not the case here.

good job proving his point, it affects all boards

The good part of Rome survived for a thousand years after everything went to shit though

Move to Venezuela faggot

>just because you're correct that doesn't mean you're right

>someone takes free mod and then sells it
>someone takes someone elses mod changes it slightly and sells it
there is no way to prevent bullshit like this so in the end the people who make it for free won't do it as others will get money for it

Because it had a yuge paradigm shift, the other part degenerated into total collapse

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From a level headed point of view it means you have to pay money now for what you were getting for free for years, and it will fuck with all the things you already have unless you go out of your way to make sure your Bethesda games never receive official updates again.

It means if you don't mod, Bethesda is going to force a bunch of trash data on to your system and waste your bandwidth on nothing you'll use.

Except that people found out that Creation Club fucks with the way free mods work by messing with the loading order, which is essential for mod functionality outside of "creation club" and anyone who ever modded a bethesda game knows this, which means there is no way Bethesda DIDN'T know this, which means it was deliberate.
techraptor.net/content/fallout-4-creation-club-files-auto-downloaded-breaks-free-mods

>2 or 3 examples
>literally dozens of screenshots showcasing the crime of shit posting
how delusional can you get?