What went wrong?

What went wrong?

In fairness Father is right. A machine can't think, feel, or have a personality, just simulate it really well. They're still soulless machines

Ceaser's monologues had nothing to do with what was happening in game.
Obsidian is more ambitious than talented.
In other news water is wet.

Damm right I would.

I actually have no interest in playing 4 but that hopefully rhetorical question itself is quite interesting because I want to hear his further point.

Whereas Caesar in NV is making a point that while thought out and possibly persuasive, is not something that matches what we see in game thanks to the legion feeling pretty shallow.

The NCR might be a dysfunctional mess but at least they have a foothold and the whole flies with honey than vinegar thing but that's more personal preference so whatever.

Not a good example because I'm left thinking about 4 a lot more after this.

A human can't think, feel, or have a personality, just simulate it really well. They're still soulless flesh bags.

New Vegas faction leaders were all delusional nutbags
Fallout 4 faction leaders were all delusional nutbags.

Caesar is too retarded the Legion will suffer the same exact fate one he dies.

>Greater good
>Dude slaves lmao

Maybe if they spent more time making the Legion an actual faction and not the generic evil team maybe that would hold water.

The institute never explains what their plan is, they just feed you a bunch of nonsense about mankind redefined

>skynet being this triggered

Nothing "went wrong". Fallout 3 was just as bad, and New Vegas was written/developed by completely different people. Bethesda Fallout has been trash from the start.

then why does he "give" you the kid synth saying he "deserves a childhood"?

oh right because this shitty game can't keep its head on straight

This.
Go take an intro to psych and biomechanical psych at an online/community/night college for like, $300, and never trust a meatbag again.

Didn't you read the eleventy billion posts on what they meant to do?
Just playing the game isn't enough for an Obsidian game pleb.
If only the evil publishers would just give them the decade and a half they need?

There's something... weird about the old man in the second image.

He looks like someone plastered an anime girl's face onto his, like he should be saying 'uguu~'
This isn't how he actually looks is it?

Don't know why I phrased that as a question.

Fuck off HK-47.

His look depends on the mother and father you create at the start, that one looks like shit

Ceaser: Me unga. NCR bunga.
Father: If you do not value ingenuity you shouldn't join us. That's what we're about.

New Vegas is fedoracore while 4 was aimed at normalfags

This one line of dialogue from FONV: Honest Hearts is better the entire script of FO4.

>Ethos is fedoracore while pathos is aimed at normalfags
This actually checks out.

>synths aren't people
I honestly don't understand this, when you see them made it's literally just bones and synthetic tissues. The only thing that makes them "not human" is them not growing up and learning,
The synth component is probably just some electrical shock device them use to force impulses in their brains but I swear they're just lab grown humans

>ask Caesar his motives
>he explains his whole thought process
>ask anyone at the Institute for motives
>"Don't worry about it."

Exhibit B

As much as i dislike Caesar and think he's wrong in a bunch of aspects, at least Obsidian put the effort on trying to convince the player that he's right.

4chins decided it wasn't going to like anything after FONV and will overlook its flaws and strawman any version of a Bethesda FO game including retroactively to FO3 which they liked.

They'll also never critically assess FO1, FO2, Tactics, or BoS.

Those things don't have to eat, drink, sleep, piss, shit or do anything a human has to do. Guy in robotics says they're superior in every way to humans. There's also evidence that they can malfunction and go berserk like any other machine.

It's stupider when you realise even the indentured 3rd gens clearly have emotions and can dream, yet the Institute scientists are all "lol that cant happen" when their entire goal was to make a full fledged artifical human.

>Sup Forums is one person

devs assumed I give a fuck about the wasteland
made garvey immortal despite being the single most annoying NPC
made the institute ending completely retarded, all for some enclave esque paint.

all I do now if I even play is get my wacky weapon workshop 12.7mm explosive rounds auto rifle and shoot everyone, also thank god for no immortals mod (some still are but fuck them they can stay in concord.)

What is a man? Is he defined by things like morphology or longevity? If form alters content - that is, if the shape of the container fundamentally influences what it contains - what will it mean to society if a man no longer resembles a man? If those things which have always driven us - birth, aging and death - are altered or eliminated, will it make us into something new? If a man need not fear death, will that make us more human than our ancestors, or less? These questions will be addressed, I believe, by modern science within the next decade. But is the world ready for the answers?

Wish there was more show than tell.
Telling me this is the way things are with no real evidence in game is not good design.

Loredumps are lazy.

The Institute has been obsessively engineering AIs to emulate humans as closely as possible to the point that they're now giving them completely organic bodies right down to the brain and the only mechanical component to be found is a small chip in their heads. They then spread these synths across the surface to live among humans and replace them, all while insisting that they are absolutely not humans and do not have free will or feelings, no matter how many times the synths themselves say otherwise. Oh, and they made sure to make the synths feel pain. Institute scientists even try to argue that humans have a soul and the machines don't so it's okay.
And this guy you're talking to pursued all this bullshit instead of giving actual humans cybernetic and biological augmentations, because he thinks that's wrong.

There is nothing redeeming about 4's plot. Nothing.

Hours playing FONV:457 hours
Hours playing FO4: 2 hours

It pains me that im over the time limit to return it.

>There's also evidence that they can malfunction and go berserk like any other human.

Just join the raiders in nuka world and preston will get pissy and end your friendship. You can't have the minutemen and the raiders

FONV: have to to do a shit ton of missions to gain the loyalty of a faction.

FO4: we just met and you protected me even though i could have run this mission solo. WELCOME TO THE BROTHERHOOD OF STEEL

Send a refund saying you could never get it to work, and kept it in hopes it'd be patched, but it still doesn't work.

They only had a year and a half to make to make a game this big. A lot of content had to cut due to time.

They make you a paladin right away in FNV after a few missions, you can start as an initiate in Fo4 and work your way up to sentinel.

I gotta pay money to join a faction? Childhood is thinking EA are the Jewish scumbags, adulthood is when you realize Bethesda is worse.

Yeah, after saving their bunker and doing important and dangerous task for them.

...

Same for me but with Fallout 2. I went FO3 -> FNV -> FO4 -> FO2.

I didn't even bother finishing FO4, and must've put 100 hours into FO2 the first two weeks I played it.

Does Bethesda writers even care anymore?

Nigga are you serious. The only 2 reasons the bos contact you in FONV is because of your Edi unit or your traveling with Veronica and even then you have to do loyalty missions. You could ignore them completly if you wanted in NV.

It wasnt forced upon you as part of the main story..

Also in FO4 youre given power armour in literally the 2nd quest. Its like the developers knew they couldnt keep your attention with their hack storyline.

Do you mean to tell me a publisher has screwed over Obsidian?
I hope this trend starts and ends with Bethesda.

Or just bypass half the work and massacre the van graffs for hardin

You don't even need to like NV to see that 4 is pretty soulless. I liked 3 when it came out and still do now.

Somebody post that image of some user pointing out all the flaws in 2?

Shaun, if that Nuka-Cola machine has some refreshing Nuka-Cola still in it, there's little I wouldn't do for it.

Why should they? 99% of their fans will stay loyal due to marketing, whether or not they put in extra effort.

Not really.
No.
FUCK YOU.
They do not.

>all the flaws in 2?
Any you remember off the top of your head? FO2 was one of if not my favorite FO.

You still haven't answered why I should join you Ceasar

BoS is not forced on you at all in fo4, infact 90% of your companions try to talk you out of joining them in the first mission. You never have to join them or even talk to danse or maxson.

>Its your destiny, ive seen it

Hack writing 101

(Sarcastic) Of course they do...

So Obsidian don't know how to properly tell a story is what you're saying?

I've always told her to shut the fuck up, is you don't are her prediction true? If so I'm flip this fucking table over

When she said that.....i knew that this game was gonna be bad.

>"B-but muh cherrypicking!"

This. Everytime Bethesda writes something on Twitter, some normalfag is always asking for Fallout 5. Hell, children fucking love fallout 4, if that doesn't tell you something, I don't know what does.

>FO4 youre given power armour in literally the 2nd quest
Yeah this was really sad to see. My guess is they thought they wouldn't be able to hold their Skyrim-sized audience with just basic gunplay for more than a few hours. They underestimated how much that basic get quest, kill, loot, turn in quest cycle could keep so many people hooked for dozens or hundreds of hours. If they paced out giving away the power armor to hour ten or so of the quest (or less time if players were willing to go exploring) they still would have held their audience, while giving them a better paced experience.

They don't even have dedicated writers anymore. Like seriously. Anyone who wanted to write could for Fallout 4. That's why the lore got butchered so hard

Prove me wrong.

Prove that FO4 isnt on tracks the entire time and youre not given the illusion of choice.

Give us a fallout 4 quest with the same or more amount of ways to finish the quest

yeah
she'll tell you the Courser's shutdown code and some shit

betheshit has never been particularly good at writing. it's the lore, world building and rpg systems in place so you can develop your character that they excelled at. they no longer make rpgs or have good world building. all we're left with is pure shit

Sawyer is probably right now as we speak on some forum revealing more of what he meant to do.

They are outstanding at telling stories.
They just suck at actually getting them in game by release.

I was just asking for an image I had seen.

Didn't their lead writer and Pete Hines get ass blasted on Twitter because they were breaking the lore.

>have to give her a bunch of precious drugs just to kill her
>unkillable otherwise

Why is the internet so obsessed with calling everything autistic?
It's been completely stripped of any meaning by now, just an epic meme word you slap onto a picture and bam, instant joke.

I think he was mocking someone who would claim the image is cherrypicking, i.e. sarcasm

Mad cuz he doesn't giver her the D

Fuck, been here for 5 years and still don't have to awareness to pick shit like this up.

I remember when "hipster" was the insult of choice here. The internet will move onto something else eventually.

I didnt know if I was still playing fallout or i some how switched to Skyrim when this character spoke.

Yeah, the internet by its nature does not foster civil conversation.

You can end the game way quicker than NV, soon as you get to the institute shoot father in the face and you can blow it up shortly after. You can't trigger the battle of hoover dam without doing a bunch of stuff

Sup Forums has been calling people autistic since before you had hair on your balls, fucko

Too bad the stories Sawyer want to tell are literally as boring as it's possible for a story to be. His overriding objective is to explain to us in tedious detail just exactly how everyone and everything everywhere is actually all just the same.

Fuck that guy.

im playing new vegas and i already did NCR with BOS

i want to go ceasers legion but i just dont really like their wacky romans theme

are the missions cool?

>didnt answer the question

Kek

There was a fool arguing about Jet.
He apparently didn't realize FO2 had a dispute about when Jet was invented.

Bethesda gets ripped for not being consistent about Jet when all they did was clean up the lore from 2.

>Sup Forums hasn't gotten tired of the same misused insult after a decade
Seems pretty autistic to me
And that sounds like a load of shit, it blew up from being nowhere to being everywhere just in the past few years.

Fuck off autistic hipster.

People on the internet are a lot more scathing and edgy now, even outside of this site. "Retard" just wasn't cutting it, so they went one step further and adopted very specific neurodevelopmental disorders as insults.

You haven't explained how dealing with the boomers, khans, BoS etc before the end isn't on tracks

I know, some memes have more staying power than others. I can't wait for when "cuck" falls out of fashion. "Faggot" has always been pretty solid.

Doesn't he have a rape fetish as well?
Every time he gets to write for a game someone either is going to be or has been raped.

Hell his forum name is Rape Kid.

Not really, they don't have a lot of content. Assassinate the NCR president, save Caesar from his brain tumour.

So, why exactly did they need to make their robot slaves so advanced? Why didn't they just use the simple, loyal, skeletal Synths you fight in the Commonwealth to do their chores?

Kek yes. This is what happens when you give your character a voice.

You cant have awesome lines of dialogue like this.

>it blew up from being nowhere to being everywhere just in the past few years.
how to out yourself as a retarded newfag

No im asking you to defend fallout 4s "amazing branching quests" and youre failing at it.

Its not helping you.

It should be mentioned that while the "destiny" thing is bullshit, psychic powers have been around since the first Fallout game.

No it didn't. Fallout 2 you meet the guy who explicitly tells you he invented Jet from Brahmin shit fumes since it was a shorter more intense high, which made drug dealers more money. The guy who wrote the fallout bible explicitly said that Mrs. Bishop's memory of getting hooked on Jet before it's invention is a result of the drug's side effects addling her recollection of events.

Only the most recent mistakes in Fallout 4 have not been dealt with because their PR guy is a dumbass who brushes off curious fans instead of doing his job.