How would you fix stealth games? What do you think modern stealth games get wrong?

How would you fix stealth games? What do you think modern stealth games get wrong?

Other urls found in this thread:

youtu.be/YU78vHOfe2k?t=36
twitter.com/AnonBabble

Easy, don't let Ubisoft make them.

MORE

punish failure in a more interesting way than a checkpoint restart

sayce

OKAY

If you ever post shit like that again,
your mother will die in her sleep

CUTE

Casing should be more important. Right now stealth games basically just revolve around throwing you onto a map and then allowing to stealth as far as you want until you get detected and beat the shit out of everybody.

still would desu

>What do you think modern stealth games get wrong?
AI is exploitable. you can memorize their movement pattern and never be detected

>no makeup
>has makeup

>What do you think modern stealth games get wrong?

too much reliance on "cinematic take downs".

Ew

Please tell me she has a feminine penis!!

>play dishonored 2 today
>pick highest difficulty
>can waltz down the street in full view of the guards and butcher them like children
>open a door
>the fucker goes "HUH WHO OPENED THE DOOR MUST HAVE BEEN THE WIND"
>doesn't even close it

Loads of options to play with, different ways to get places, different weapons etc. Make it clear when you're actually undetectable.

Also I can't prove it, but I guarantee you that girl's breath smells like shit.

AI is exploitable in every game. Any game without exploitable AI would be too difficult; especially in a stealth game because the moment you're caught you have to start over, or fight your way out which would make it not a stealth game.

How many metaphorical dildos do you choke on, op?

Honestly I would still let her have sex with me.

you know what I fucking mean

Does anyone have a link to the POV video? I had it a few weeks ago but lost all of my bookmarks.

Make them multiplayer

...

Why did she let them do that to her? What was the purpose?

No she doesn't. She's RICED anyway so forget it

I didn't know there were albino roaches

this is supposed to be a "stealth game"

youtu.be/YU78vHOfe2k?t=36

dishonor babs will defend this

>area is fit to bursting with patrolling guards that constantly announce their presence with footsteps
>make your own footsteps
>guards inexplicably know where you are and that you're an intruder

The only way a guard should be alarmed by footsteps is if there is no active foot traffic around him.

...

...

...

...

>especially in a stealth game because the moment you're caught you have to start over
the moment you get shot in the head in a fps you have to start over too
if you're playing a stealth game not being caught is sort of the whole point
being spotted and getting away should increase the alert level globally and indefinitely, increasing the difficulty until you can do something to even the odds (like getting someone caught in your place, shutting down power and light, or impersonating an officer and pretending like you've been caught)

This is why 3D will always be PD.
They hit expiration date faster than fresh milk in the sun.

...

>.gif
hmmmmm........

You have bad ideas and we're all thankful you aren't in charge of making decisions.

>country is full of butifel melikes
>people still keeps posting that little boy
I don't understand.

enjoy having guards think the wind must have shot them in the thigh

Strawman.

all the big american companies are cranking out 3rd person shooters. hide behind cover pop up and headshot a guy. people born after 1995 blame gears of war for this endless stream of copy paste shit but I like to blame splinter cell. walk around in the dark with night vision goggles headshotting guys with a silenced handgun then get the intel then walk around in the dark headshotting guys with a silenced pistol watch a cutscene. casuals love that shit. uncharted is splinter cell in broad daylight with chest high walls scattered all over the map. gay.
metal gear games are the only stealth games. fuck all that other shit. metal gear solid 2 let you play like a little bitch and headshot guys and watch cutscenes like splinter cell but if you play for rank like a real man its a totally different game where you need to think fast and operate smooth to get through the game as fast as possible.

the biggest problem with stealth games today is that there aren't any. stealth has just been turned into an optional feature that in action games that you have no incentive to use because it just makes them slower and less fun.

Hitman is still stealth. You fuck up your score if you go loud and most enemies can kill you so fast it's actually quite difficult to do the mission loud.

Mark of the Ninja was probably the last good stealth game released. Styx maybe.

What?

Styx 2 is excellent.

why did I type all that shit? its fuck around 30 on the video game board where everybody does whatever they want all the time. will the janitor whack this thread or whack has cock to a 6 wearing fake eyelashes and contacts.
fuck you all.

>that "yeah alright stop now" look she gives when he cups her chin and pinches her cheek.
She wouldn't last ten seconds in the vicinity of my schlong.

stealth will always continue to be a failing genre as long as the guards have the IQ of an autistic dog, and no fucking guard in a top-security environment will do anything but go on full alert as soon as he as much as SPOTS an intruder, until at least half an hour passes. It's impossible to take stealth games seriously when the one thing they should be about, namely enemy awareness, is on the level of a NES game.

I think her cheek got pinched too hard from the OP.

better AI would improve almost any game. It's just that stealth games usually have great level design but next to the shit AI it's like watching turds get pushed through a polished hallway.

i think Blacklist and MGS 5 do one thing well wich is controls and movements.
many old stealth games are hard because they are clunky to control and you move slow.
oh also, stealth games have this huge problem of becomming easier the further you get in the game.
MGS5 was fucking garbage because the game got easier and easier due to the new gear you researched.

if you try to forget this is suppose to be a stealth game, thats actually pretty neat.
at least a good amount of those kills are from the players creativity rather than fixed QTE kills.

Finally got my reins on saturday :)

It's not a stealth game if you're unable to realistically proceed without being spotted, and it's not a fun game if the AI is so remarkably good at spotting you and you are unable to make progress.

Do you get it? Do you understand? Intelligent AI and stealth gameplay do not mix. The amount of effort it would take to turn the AI into ridiculous progress walls is miniscule; and the amount of effort it would take to create unique and/or compelling ways to bypass that AI is enormous. If you improve the AI a little bit, you need to improve the core gameplay A LOT.

It's all fine and good to say you want the AI to improve, but you're completely ignoring what would have to change once the AI is improved.

In truth you just want a good stealth game. The mark of a good stealth game is good AI alongside good gameplay. Absent good gameplay, the improved AI would be wasted and nobody would enjoy the game.

Then stealth games will remain a disappointment for as long as they fail to bridge that gap. But you don't need truly intelligent AI, you just have to make it seem like they're smart. I'd rather they have cataracts than alzheimers.

How can you fags even like it

i want to rest my dong on those fat cheeks

>He doesn't know
Sad to be you laddy

Sauce me user

Every improvement you make to their AI you would need an adequate way for the player to mitigate or control for that improvement or else the AI just feels cheap. Done properly this can allow you to specialize in a lot of different things to stop the guards from being a problem, but as I mentioned this amount of effort would be enormous. It's much easier to make the AI a little dumb and call it a day so your players can feel like they're getting somewhere in the game they paid for. Remember the atmosphere of games and the attention span of most people who play games right now. Difficult games that require a modicum of strategy or skill are few and far between. Gameplay elements are not becoming more complex. Everything is being dumbed down, shortened, and cut into bite-sized consumable pieces.

He's fucking with you. Don't believe him.

She wouldn't last ten seconds in the vicinity of my cheek pinching fetish

...

I'm looking for it again m8, lost it some time ago.

Honestly just remove manual saving. Make a death mean being sent to the beginning of the level so you can't just die or revert when you fuck up. Set up the environment/player equipment to allow for getaways. Perhaps give the player intel on the mission beforehand so that they can deduce which equipment would help them navigate/escape in the level.

she was never posted until i posted her like a year ago or somehting
im not sharing girls with Sup Forums anymore

>a year ago
lol? She's been posted here for years.

>I-I did it before you guys!!!
She was posted before you were conceived lad

Guards behave like idiots because otherwise the game would be unfair or even rely to hard on trial and error, not because the devs can't design AIs. An AI that is outsmarting the player often instead of being predictable would be frustrating for most players and make them avoid improvisation based on the things they know the guards will make for sure, leading to a stale experience in which the player can't play "pranks" on the guards because he would be heavily penalized for the smallest mistake.

I saw her first

>the moment you get shot in the head in a fps you have to start over too
No, you lose some hp in most games unless it's multiplayer. A stealth game is about avoid detection BUT one of the charms of a stealth game is also the trill of being detected and hiding away from the threat without being spotted and killed in the process. If you make the entire level/base become super alerted after you're spotted and then just increase the difficulty for every fuck up you're just making something that most players would just ignore and restart from the last check point instead of dealing with their mistake, in other words you're programming something that will be ignored for most people which is just a waste of development resources.