Sacrificing Arcadia Bay was the moral choice

Sacrificing Arcadia Bay was the moral choice.

Haven't played the game but
>sacrifice a bunch of lives
or
>sacrifice one person because you're emotionally attached to them

lmao

That's not the actual choice though. That's the strawman version of the choice.

You mean the wrong choice.

No, it's the stupid choice. Have you not been paying attention at all the last three episodes? Whenever Max goes back in time to fix things, she ends up making stuff worse. Reality itself seems to be tearing apart. What gave you the idea that going back ''one final time'' would turn out any different?

This is literally wrong. Not an opinion, it's literally a fact that this statement is incorrect.

wait i fucked up

Analyzing the choice from Max's perspective, and from the information Max has available to her, the choice is obvious. Max is not morally responsible for the storm. Therefore she is not morally responsible for it's damage. Meanwhile, sacrificing Chloe is something Max KNOWS will kill Chloe. The sacrifice Chloe option is taking an active role in someone's death. That is much less moral.

Sacrificing that many lives to save one girl isn't the moral choice. You can say your yuribait skater girl is more important to you, and thus, more valuable than hundreds of lives, but you'd still be wrong, and selfish.

This. There is also no guarantee for Max that saving the Bay would actually work out the way they think it will.

Fuck your morals. Chloe was an annoying piece of shit, it took me exactly 0.0023 seconds to press X on my choice.

But that literally is the choice. Either you save a whiny cunt who spends literally the entire series (except in bizzarro world) playing the victim OR you save a city full of innocent people. Thank fuck saving the Bay is the cannon choice to blow you betas the fuck out.

>Sacrificing that many lives
And this is where you're missing the point of the choice. It's phrased stupid but you aren't "sacrificing" anything with that option. You're just not trying to stop the storm anymore. It could be a perfect stranger you could have sacrificed and the choice would be the same. Since Max isn't morally responsible for the storm she is not morally responsible for the damage. Whereas she IS morally responsible for using her time travel power to kill someone. Plus, Max wasn't even 100% certain that the storm was even connected to Chloe's death. Chloe said it was and as the player we know it was because video game, but from Max's perspective it could have done fuck all. Tearing up the photo is the right choice under those circumstances.

Chloe dies without Max's intervention and bu saving her through manipulating and changing time she causes the storm.

If you chose to save Chloe, who was destined to die without Max's ex machina powers, you murdered everybody in Arcadia bay.

>OR you save a city full of innocent people.

1) Max doesn't actually know that. She and Chloe suspect it but the only reason we know that's how it plays out is because the video game writes it out that way on the option screen.

2) Even if she does know that it works that way, taking an active roll in someone's death is more immoral than letting a natural disaster happen that Max isn't responsible for and doesn't actually guarantee the entire population will die.

Max had the vision of the storm before ever using her powers. Even if the storm exists because of Max's powers, Max isn't morally responsible for it's damage. She didn't willfully conjure it. Compare that to willfully going back in time fully knowing the consequences.

>have evidence to get Nathan jailed
>his arrest would lead to a investigation and most likely get Jefferson caught
>"Nah I don't want to go to the police lol"
>gets shot
Dumb cunt

>max isn't responsible for
except the game literally spells it out for you and tells you it's exactly that.

See:

Just a reminder that if this "game" was about two ugly men, no one would ever play it.

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Would you kill the spider to save the butterfly?

It isn't?

>not SAVING EVERYONE
Shit hero 0/10 would not cook for.

If you saved Kate then sacrificing Chloe at the end could very likely doom Kate, which makes it a double homicide.

Was there any reason to save Chloe?
The game never gave me a reason to like her other than she's Max's friend, but she was basically a huge bitch to practically everyone at all times for no reason.

>he didnt unlock the secret ending where you fake chloes death to prevent the storm and ensure the timeline stays in place

If you're a delusional shipping retard with an Ashly Burch shrine under your bed then yes. Otherwise no.
After a week of desperately clinging to Chloe and changing fate to save her life, Max finally learns to let go. Chloe stops being such a selfish bitch and finally realises that other people have value, that thousands shouldn't die just so she can live. At that point both girls lose the innocence of childhood and become adults, which just so happens to be what the entire Jefferson plot was about.
It's the perfect thematic culmination of the story, and the only reason there is a choice is to placate shippers.

I sacrificed Arcadia Bay because the game pushed so hard to sacrifice Chloe that I wanted to spite it and spit right in it's smug face. The presentation of the final choice was so mangled that it essentially paints a universe that works like Final Destination. If you save someone that's supposed to die then death will come to collect and demands interest. A universe that operates like that is inherently immoral and as a time god I have judged the universe guilty and spitefully rejected it's terms that it was so smugly sure I would accept.

No. But shippers seem to think the only bonds Max made in Arcadia bay were with Chloe(because they're shippers and can only see through ship goggles), and all the other people she befriended or were on good terms with wouldn't matter at all to Max in her decision making.

Morally speaking, the more positive connections you build throughout the game the more reason you'd want to sacrifice Arcadia Bay. Even in the worst case scenario that everyone dies, it means that all the good that you did mattered, even if only for a short time. It means you made a positive difference in everyone's life instead of resetting back to when everyone's life is shit.

>not my problem even though I can change it
you sound american

That positive change wouldn't matter much if everyone died. At least in the reset you still have the knowledge of the future and can try and fix things without your powers. Chloe being alive isn't required for you to do something like say, keep Kate from killing herself. Or stopping people from bullying the fat chick.

But without your powers you're probably going to fail at all that shit.

Literally the best justification I have ever heard

Remember that with Chloe dead and Jefferson arrested the entire order of events gets thrown out of whack. Max can't rely on her memory to know what's going to happen which makes her mostly helpless to fix anything in the new timeline.

Sacrificing the bay was the moral choice, you fucking drive through it right after the storm and it doesn't even look that bad, it looks like a town after a bad storm and you saved a shit ton of people already, there's a good chance that no one was even harmed during the storm, what a shitty fucking ending

Good point. I think I'm going to mail a gun to someone in Europe and instruct them to kill their best friend. If they don't I'll go ahead and spike 200 random aspirin bottles with cyanide. Either way it goes its their fault.

There should have been a secret ending to save Chloe and save Arcadia Bay.

To be Fair, the developers were running out of money by the final episode which is why most of it takes place in environments we've already seen.

>I sacrificed Arcadia Bay because the game pushed so hard to sacrifice Chloe that I wanted to spite it and spit right in it's smug face
This. The premise already inherently sucks because it invalidates all your choices, but it particularly sucks cause it makes no sense. If the writers were clever they would have justified Chloe having to die by tying her death with the destruction of Arcadia Bay or a similar worse outcome - like if she doesn't die the conspiracy is never discovered and Jefferson goes on to blow up the town or Prescott shoots up the school or some sort of logical chain of events that Max cannot mess change that inevitable and unalterably forces her to make a tough decision. But instead of that saving Chloe causes Yahweh to spawn in a big fuck-off hurricane for no reason other then because he hates lesbos I guess. It's dumb and contrived and pretty clearly shows that the writers didn't plan out the story ahead of time.

Honestly the entire problem for me is that the thing is treated as more or less just a normal storm. If they had treated it as an extension of the Time Crash, of reality around Arcadia Bay literally crumbling because all the time-manipulation happening around the area, it would be far more justifiable in my eyes. But as it stands it's just Diabolos Ex Machina weather

>halfway through BtS
>Chloe is spilling spaghetti around Rachel at every turn
I hate Chloe but I'm down with this.

Nathan Prescott said arcadian bay's represented by Rachel and Frank.

>Rachel a selfish/using actress from California.
>Frank a drug dealer, whos drugs kill Rachel.
>Godless town

Let it burn.

there shouldve been a secret ending to kill both honestly

Eh, I think it would have made more sense if Max's power were the cause and her death would undo the storm. The whole "you saved someone from their fate" thing always make the universe seem autistic because somehow changing ONE person's fate means the universe needs to shit all over everyone just to get what it wants.

>taking an active roll in someone's death is more immoral than letting a natural disaster happen
true
>that Max isn't responsible for
false

Pricefield is worth dozens/hundreds of lives and millions in property damage

I'm not going to pretend that I care about Bay and all the innocent people, but I do care about Max, even though she's dumb liberal arts student, she's still a relatively normal girl unlike Chloe who is a huge manipulative cunt who will only hurt Max in perspective. She really doesn't deserve to live and saving all the people, who are way better than her, only helps in the final choice.

Exactly. Plus I was already pissed off at the game for forcing me to kill Chloe's dad despite there being a fuck ton of realistic options that both keeps him alive and doesn't give Chloe a half dozen House episodes worth of medical problems. There was so much fate shit being shoved down my throat and "it's fate" nonsense is one of my pet peeves. It felt like I was being fed a religious sermon about "God's will" or some shit. So in the end when the world was telling me that it was Chloe's fate to die I basically flipped them the bird and said "fate this." I literally would have rather have watched the world burn then let the universe get it's way. Even if everyone dies at least they died free.

Seriously. What makes it worse is that nobody warned Max about this clause. Imagine you're minding your own business and see a girl held up at gunpoint and defuse the situation without anyone getting shot. Then over the next few days fucking Hurricane Irma descends on your hometown and tells you that you have to go shoot that girl or everyone you love dies in retribution. You're probably going to be a bit nihilistic after that.

How is Max remotely morally on the hook for the storm? If you cut someone off in traffic and they go on a shooting spree, you nominally "caused" the shooting on the grounds that you're included in the chain of events but you sure as holy fuck aren't morally responsible.

To be fair, the game is very indecisive about the nature and workings of Max's powers.

How did she get them? What are their upper limits? What happens to the rest of the world when she rewinds? All that shit, and yet nothing is given clarification. Made all the more difficult by how she can leap into fucking pictures and basically rewrite reality.

Then it all comes back to the whole "is it fate or just coincidence?" shit with the storm. Was it really because she overused her powers? Or did her time fuckery cause a storm to veer way off its usual track? Whatever the case, her death probably would have been the more applicable solution than someone who's only importance was being the reason for most of the do-overs.

>make the whole game pointless by sacrificing chloe

OR

>make the whole game worth it by sacrificing the town

HMMMM

>saving the Bay is the cannon choice
Wait, they confirmed which ending was canon?

>Was it really because she overused her powers?
No you fucking idiot, it was because she changed things in the first place. This is no vengeful universe that's trying to exact a toll, it's an unraveling universe that's veering wildly off course. That's why going back to the initial moment fixes things. Because time travel wasn't the problem, changing the course of history is.

>disrupt timespace continuum
>something bad happens
huh, who woulda thunk

Fuck off, retard. That is the universe being vengeful if changing one person's fate fucks everyone else. And that shit is just stupid. Overusing them at least makes sense because she's tampering with reality and throwing the natural order out of whack. Saving one person and then undoing that save is just stupid and wishy washy.

Lets not all forget, about Collie's dad
or is it Rachel.

its obvious they wanted to save collie

Then fuck history. Seriously, I've had it with these arbitrary rules of nature that are in no way intuitive. Nobody is on notice that if you save someone from getting shot you're inviting biblical armageddon. Max had the storm nightmare before she even knew she had powers. For all we know the storm vision gave her the powers in the first place, which means it was like some kind of Old Testament practical joke. "Let's give this nerdy bitch super powers that she never asked for and that she can't possibly use to save people without unraveling the universe."

Not to mention it makes no sense that using the powers that caused the storm would magically undo it. If something is the cause, it's rarely going to be the solution that also fixes it, especially in a situation where bumbling through time causes reality to shit itself.

>taking an active roll in someone's death is more immoral than letting a natural disaster happen that Max isn't responsible for and doesn't actually guarantee the entire population will die.
There's literally nothing natural about the storm that destroys Arcadia Bay. All of the weirdness that happens in the story is tied to Max abusing her time powers, which is why shit gets especially crazy in the timeline where she goes back several years. There's a second moon in the goddamn sky, for fuck's sake!

Too bad the game then decides that the way to fix it all is going back and letting Chloe's dumb ass get shot, instead of having Max be the one to perish so her powers can't ever be used. Heck, it doesn't even make sense that the storm then just disperses like any other. If her powers are the main cause, it should probably be continuing and moving across the states in some aimless pattern, wrecking more cities and getting more intense whenever Max fucks with time.

Right. The relationship between Max's powers and the storm were suspected by the characters but it was never conclusively stated anywhere. And the idea that the only way for Max to stop the storm was to never have used her powers at all, thus letting Chloe die, was really just pulled out of Chloe's ass at the very end. Even if it turned out she was right, Max had no real way to know that for sure since, again, she had the storm vision before ever seeing Chloe. What they did know for sure was that Max using her powers was not so good and this was one more time she was being told to use them. So it fits that for the first time since getting them she would say "fuck it" and refuse. It's a lot more reasonable to conclude the "point" of the game was for Max to STOP using her powers, not to undo everything she already did.

>implying max is just crazy with grief and only by sacrificing arcadia bay can she move on

Once again, you fucking moron, it's not USING the powers that fucks things up, it's CHANGING things that fucks things up.
>Oh wow using this wrench to unscrew the pipes flooded the basement, and now using the wrench again is supposed to fix things? This makes no sense!

The moral choice is going with what nature intended before Max decided to play god. And Chloe was fated to die in that dank bathroom.

>There's a second moon in the goddamn sky, for fuck's sake!
Which is also fucking weird because an entire celestial body appearing out of nowhere is a MUCH more dramatic event than a storm.

But it still doesn't morally implicate Max. She might be the "cause" but she's not at fault for consequences that she couldn't possibly be aware of.

Then nature is immoral and should be disobeyed.

Nature isn't a being fool, it can't be immoral. The natural flow of events will always screw someone eventually. That's literally the choice at the end of the game, you can't escape someone getting fucked eventually. So if you're choosing who is gonna die due to circumstances and variables, it might as well be what was naturally going to happen.

Thoughts on Warren "Going Ape on Max's Hymen" Graham?

>Get magical powers out of the blue
>Use them to save a life
>Natural disaster because of it
Looks like nature throwing a bitch fit to me. If the universe didn't want Max to change history then why the fuck did the universe give Max the power to change history? Again, it's like some fucked up Old Testament fable where God fucks with some mortal just because he can.

It really seems that Life is Strange™ like that

Boy, am I glad to see that's not only me that thought this game was about growing up, coping with grief and letting Chloe go.
Solid writing right here

Or you take the ending where Max just comes out of her little cuck shed in the toilets and says " Hey you two faggots how about you settle this elswhere ? btw Nathan this is the woman's toilets so get the fuck outta here or i am calling the security"
And that's that with that

Kys for them, then. Maybe you'll be rewarded.

Yeah. Chloe didn't want her mom, friends, etc. to die and the next seasons after BtS is finished will continue the story with new protagonists.

Only Pricefield fags argue otherwise.

this really bothered me
she could have prevented that without powers

Saving your hot gf and leave the shit town to its fate is the only chad choice

The people who died could have left or take shelter. If they died for being stupid idiots that doent deserve sympathy

Max is not responsible for Arcadia Bay's safety. Even if she caused the storm (she didn't), it's not her fault no one leaves and the game shows no evidence anyone even dies. Saving Chloe is the right choice because nothing is lost if you sacrifice Arcadia Bay.

Max did nothing wrong. But even if she did, I wouldn't care. Pricefield for ever, fuckers.

Your right. This is why we need refugee welcome
Sacifying 1 nationality to save millions is the moral choice

Well I dont agree on that but you would agree on it

Wasnt there a whole scene with max getting from the bunker to the diner where people are dying

>(she didn't)

You can't say for certain that she didn't cause the storm. It's in the realm of possbility -- but it still wouldn't be her fault if she had, as she had no idea such a thing could or would happen.

Well actually, i think that any modification to the original plot line (where she let her die and doesn't intervenne) will create the storm, since she just turned on the alarm by using her powers , which would be the same as stepping up to them, since it would modifie the original plot line
She pussed out the first time and the universe is shitting on her for trying to change that

That isn't Max's fault. Bae before Bay. You're too stupid to get out, that's your fault.

By the end of the game she does learn she can stop the storm by not using her powers, but so what? Save your girl or let a stupid white trashy hick down get destroyed?

The story is so poorly written it's really hard to care about a decision you have no information about and have done so little to try to prevent.

>wanting to save Chloe
>a manipulative, unstable, insufferable twat with the voice of Ashley Burch that even the very fabric of reality wants dead
Fucking. Why.

>(she didn't)
She did by saving Chloe in the first few minutes. Way to miss the entire fucking point of the game.

No one ever accused shippers of having two brain cells to rub together. That's why the Chloe ending has literally zero work put into it. As long as the shippers feel like their ship is validated they don't care about the quality of the work.

She had visions of the storm before she even got her time-changing powers. Of course, it's never explained why she was even having visions, or how the storm was in any way related, or how the storm was guaranteed to kill the people of the town, or how a storm that must want Chloe dead would be magically appeased when she's still not dead at the end of the game, or anything at all really.

In the final episode, you're basing your decision entirely on information that only exists in Max's imagination.

Even after the storm dissipated, Chloe is still destined to die. Look at how many times/timelines she dies even before getting to the day of the storm. The universe itself wants this bitch dead. If the storm doesn't do it, something else will. Another train, another bullet, another car accident, etc. Max will have to spend the remainder of her life rewinding and further fucking up time every time Chloe dies.

Will the next game let you go full Time Lord Victorious?

>tfw feeling physical unease whenever seeing how Warren acts because I see myself in him and it hits too close to home.

Sacrificing Chloe also implies determinism. That taking control of your fate is meaningless and that every choice has already been made before you make it. It would also mean the entire game was pointless. So, yeah sacrificing Arcadia Bay is the correct choice.

The game is about letting go. Everything in Arcadia Bay is hold back Max form becoming and unstoppable super hero time God saving Chole is the only real choice otherwise Max will become a boring photographer and probably be date raped by Warren the freaky stalker

Maybe the should pull a flatliners and kill Chole for a couple of minutes the bring her back having tricked the universe so they can be happy together

The moral choice was not playing that 'game'

The you can't be responsible for thing you had no control over Max never asked for time powers. She only only ever wanted to save her friend and after all the stress and truma of trying to accomplish that goal she is then told that she must now suffer the stress and truma of all these memories alone because no one will know she had to let her friend die so she will probably need costly therapy and people will still think she has gone crazy. or let a storm kill the town and get to live with her friend she has spent so long trying to save. Probably get a charity fund setup for her and chole the only survivors get all the mental health treatment she needs and become famous from the whole only two survivors of the world worst storm ever. She'll definitely have her only Wikipedia page and life will be pretty good.

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