ITT : surprisingly good villains

ITT : surprisingly good villains

Is that supposed to be the main antagonist of the game?
Looks like a generic mook.

Nane?

He was decent. They defintley should of spent more time devolping these characters this time around. Bun needs to hire some actual story board writers.

Ghaul

Moreso his backstory was cool he wasn't grr I'm evil because darkness

>surprisingly good
He literally says "We're not so different you and I"

He's far from good, where the fuck are your standards.

If I pulled that off would he die?

Cole McGrath

He's a big guy

>Literally screams "Noooo!" when he dies
>Both fucking times

His evil was unstoppable.

The topic is "surprisingly good". Ghaul's whole deal was that he was an exact foil of the Guardians and the Last City, outpacing the Darkness and ruin of his species by launching conquest and striking first against the Cabal's enemies. This is opposed to the Hive of the first game who's objective was kill-murder because we are evil.

Why does he wear the mask?

He wasn't exactly a "good" villain though, at least, they tried to give him some conflict of interest with the traveler and all that. He certainly has a great design and voice but a lot of his lines weren't too good.

>literally suffered throughout his life, was treated like shit, worked hard as fuck go get to where he was
>speaker admits he deserves the light too
>he gets it but never gets a ghost
>traveler kills him

Still makes me mad

It isn't his lines that are good but his motivations. He isn't some Hive bad guy that is killing shit because they are evil.

He explains how he was a run, supposed to be killed, but he rose up and now will save his people from the darkness by taking the travelers light

The only thing that held Ghaul back from the Light was the dude who kept manipulating/pushing Ghaul into doing this shit. Killing him in front of the Speaker/Traveler wasn't a good look either.

Real talk, if Ghaul just 'showed up' to The Tower instead of fucking shit up he probably would've been a Guardian.

Yeah that's all well and good but we really didn't get to SEE that in the game so much, at least, not that I can recall.

The Traveler was probably pissed off that Ghaul put it in a cage and killed so many of its pet humans.
>You want Light?
>Here you go faggot enjoy exploding

The Hive are cool, they're almost a tragic story. They were going to be genocided and took the only route they could to survive. Catch is, they either succeed in the bargain they made with the worms and doom themselves to an extinction level civil war after wiping out all other life in the universe or die trying. They traded one doom for another.

Am the only one who genuinely likes the evil antagonists more? Because they're more threatening and cannot be reasoned with. The whole concept of a sentient being doing evil by choice is pretty terrifying.

But it's silly.

The Traveler sounds like the real evil one.

And the Vex,Hive,Fallen and Cabal are the good guys

It's simple but done right it's cool. Someone is shitting on the Hive here but I think they fit the bill. Read the Books of Sorrow and I will think about the implications of the deal that they made with the worms.

>The touching story of a starry-eyed cabal who wants to be a Guardian, having worked hard to be strong after being rejected by his society for being a runt
>None of the Guardians trust him
>Even his Ghost doesn't trust him and hates being with him
>He saves the galaxy and becomes a hero anyway

I like villains that know they're evil and fucking love it

There was a slight part of me that was hoping he'd been given the light, (not through force) but the traveler seems so cut and dry and who it picks.

I think his motivation was solid, but they could have fleshed him out better, I was hoping a more improved version of him would be a raid boss.

But oh well, Ghaul did nothing wrong.

When was that explained? That's pretty cool

The traveller may be evil, but the other ones are good by absolutely 0 objective qualities.

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Read the Books of Sorrow. It implies the deal they made with the worms is they expand ceaselessly until they fail. The catch to this is they will inevitably expand over themselves when they run out of things to conquer.

Also, Oryx's sister is controlling the Taken now.

The Vex are the ultimate good guys. They have no selfish ambitions, they aren't destructive like all the other races. They literally just want to preserve time and Nature, by destroying all selfish organics.

>implies

And changing planets into flying metal brains?

Besides, the real vex endgame is never explained and there are a gorillion different assumed modus operandi for them.

Where did the vex come from?

>they are good because they commit galactic genocide

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Where did they go?

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FINK RAT

WHERE DID THEY COME FROM, COTTON-EYE JOE

>Have to watch and read a bunch of side material to find out what the fuck he's even trying to do in the main game
>Good villain

At least he's not "I WAS BORN IN A SMALL VILLAGE"-tier.

what makes him a good villain?

>sister

Hive.Pussy.

The taken wife.

I don't think people on Sup Forums like Killbane (along with SR3) much, but I liked how he was a "dumb muscle" for the syndicate that turned out to be way smarter than he looked and used the opportunity of you taking out the Syndicate's leader early on to basically leapfrog over everyone else in the chain of command and take charge for himself and become way more dangerous then the old guy ever was.

>has a decent amount of screentime
>motivations get eventually explained
>entertaining personality

That makes him cool, at least in my book.

If you pull that mask off, will you die?

Killbane? Why does he wear the mask?

He's a big guy.

I enjoyed Killbane for how evil he was but I hate how they just killed Loren off.
Guy had potential.

I've never been so deeply disturbed by a game before. Everything about it just makes me sick, though it sure was a good game

everyone keeps saying shit like this about this game to the point of me thinking i'll be suicidal after beating it

Wait aren't his sister's dead?

Retard. So attacking your enemy in war to benefit your own race/nation is a good story now? Wow, that's amazing! That's like, every fucking war video game ever.

Why didnt he get more screen time. Everytime Cayde opened his mouth I wanted to kill myself.

you have to be incredibly retarded to believe that turtle was a good villian.

l-look my daddy use to beat me, now am strong, only atheists and plebs could write such weak and shit motivation.

we HOMM3 now

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>still alive at the end of SR3 considering good ending is obviously canon
>doesn't even show up ever again
God, what the fuck were they thinking? SR4 is a disaster.

To be fair, it would be hard for him to show up again, considering Earth blew up and all that...

I don't know about suicidal but it sure as hell will invoke some feelings in you. It's way too fucked up not to

kek

The Joyful literally does what the title says, its a happy ending.

>It isn't his lines that are good
I dunno, famicom. I'd say his intro was good at least.
You're not brave, you have merely forgotten the fear of death.

Wait so I haven't played destiny 2 yet.
Didn't you kill shit way above him in 1? Like Aksis prime and shit.
Granted you could argue that your character is rusty as shit because the light is back down to 200 again

>(...)they aren't destructive, they literally just want to destroy all organics

I mean Oryx was basically a God that spent tens of thousands of years dying over and over to perfect battle and we killed him.

But when we encounter Ghaul he cut us off from the travelers light which turned us into a useless husk

I always thought that the reason why guardians now aren't as good in the first, obvious changes aside, were that you weren't using light from the full Traveler and instead from an old busted shard.

Barthandalous in vanilla FFXIII comes to mind, considering how awful the rest of the game and its sequels are. He never misses a beat to tell the L'Cie how stupid they are and how they're mindlessly doing everything he wants for him, a sentiment I shared.

How long until the traveler experiences final death due to there being nothing left of itself to nuke.
Second time now.

The Fallen are basically humans who got fucked over by the Darkness too and didn't have Guardians to help them pick up the scrape.

Question.

He came back as a light spirit thing at the end but then the traveller did a thing and is he now dead dead? Is it really confirmed that's he's gone?

SR3 killing Killbane was the better ending.
I really wished picked that ending instead.

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Killbane was not popular like Cyrus was,which is why Cyrus returned.

>play real life
>have pet rock
>play vidya
>floating space rock has (you) as pet human

>Besides, the real vex endgame is never explained and there are a gorillion different assumed modus operandi for them

It's literally explained everywhere and blatantly shown through the Vault of Glass that the Vex want to be written into the laws of physics as a constant in the universe, because apparently that is the only way of saving them from some unkown doom millions of years into the future.

Evil for the sake of it can be done, but are extremely prone to falling flat on their face if they're not portrayed correctly.

>Ghaul. I speak for the Traveler. I never said it spoke to me.
Also what did the Speaker die from? Falling to the ground?

>"I said I spoke for the Traveler..."
>"I never said the Traveler spoke to me."
>Confirms he's a fraud just to knee cap Ghaul
Took down the ship to kill the captain there, eh Speaker?

Also, in Destiny 1 I never really understood the relationship between humanity and the Traveller. I didn't make the connection that everyone worshiped the thing like a God until I heard Ikora verbally expressing her obsession with it.

I was hoping this would happen in the end, the realization that the traveler would accept him as a guardian if he submitted himself to it.
and the Leviathan raid boss demanding us to return him to us before he becomes more corrupted

I feel like a lot of stuff would have been more impactful if it had actually been built up to. I still can't help but shake this feeling of how shallow everything in Destiny is. If there's one thing Bungie nailed with Halo, it was the characters, the atmosphere, and the feeling that there were things out there greater than humanity. Destiny just doesn't do that. I think Destiny 1 having grimoires didn't help, but even the characters we get to know, like Hawthorne, really don't have much going on for them.

Fuck meent meant "return him to him"

If a big white ball came to the planet and gave you literal super powers and immortality wouldn't you at least give it thanks from time to time?

I didn't think it went to full worship. It just seemed like something they thought was some ultra dope shit. Like some sort of device that gave super powers through radiation rather than an entity handing them out.

Granted, it makes sense in hindsight, but while playing Destiny 1 I never got a religion vibe from everyone's attitude towards the Traveler.

>Gigantic white ball suddenly appears out of nowhere
>The white ball hands tech so advanced humans can barely comprehend it
>Even people who understand how the tech works consider it magic
>Magic white ball also gives out actual magic

I'd worship it as a god

So what's up with the last cutscene, those triangle ships, are they a Vex armada or what?

It'd be the only god that actually showed up and did some shit.
Also Muslims would try to blow it up lmao

Ghaul was the real hero. All he wanted was love and acceptance from a species that scorned him. The Cabal left him for dead as a child and he still wanted to empower them. We are the villains, undead horrors that won't stop dying.

My money is either on not!Borg that somehow aren't the Vex, or Dark/Anti-Guardians

Calus's World-Eater/Leviathan.

I thought it was Taken, but I'm not ruling it out yet.

I always got the impression that it was only warlocks and maybe a handful of titans that went to full worship. Excepting the warlock clades that actually remember some science and regard it as a scientific curiosity, of course.

Huh.. the armada and the Leviathan look nothing alike.

maybe a new species

In D1 one of Xur's lines goes "Your traveller has a dark mirror", so I believe the true identity of the darkness is another traveller whose inhabitants are in conflict with the inhabitants of the Traveller.

There was a fifth alien race in the concept art that had very pyramidal ships. So my money's on the new species as well

...They literally are trying to make themselves a fundamental law of the universe. How is that not selfish?

>all those Pyramids sinking through water during the vision at the beginning