Hiring popular real life actors is detrimental to the quality of a game...

Hiring popular real life actors is detrimental to the quality of a game. It eats away funds and adds nothing of value to the game.

Correct.
Kojima doesn't care about making a good game though, he just wants to fulfill his life-long dream of making a movie.

I hate it :/ New Vegas did it right though.

LOL imagine being as dumb as you

as usual Sup Forums knows NOTHING about vidya developement

do you know how hard is it to create believable face animations???

hiring actors makes a lot of sense you retard

I agree. However it also helps games sell.

Those funds are considered a valuable investment as marketing.

theres a difference between using an employee and using a hollywood actor. a 7 figure difference

Yep. Also who gives a fucking shit about real life actors outside of their roles? Fuck the celebrity obsession.

valve did it without actors

rockstar tried to do realistic ones and it looks like ass

>Reading comprehension.

OP said nothing about not hiring motion cap actors, you obnoxious sperg.

game is going to look good

It made sense for only one game which was trying out new technology.
You think top actors give a good performance for video game toys? It is just an easy paycheck.

I fucking hate it. I don't want to play as Normal Reedus.

false:
1) it could add marketability and sales to the game giving it more room for a big budget.
2)game development doesnt just have a money funnel called gameplay with constant returns for all eternity.
its more we need X money to do Y. then just simply adding more money for x. If you look at modern gaming its very rare that these huge projects need all the money to develop a gameplay mechanic or something.

>this obvious bait getting this many (yous) already

I can't wait for Death Stranding to come out and fail.

>who gives a fucking shit about real life actors outside of their roles? Fuck the celebrity obsession.
I do when they are good actors Mads Mikelsons is a very talented actor. His portrayal of a character could add to the immersion, emotional commitment, sense of stakes and all round enjoyment of the game. Besides lets be real of it triggers you and OP so much, you were never going to play a Kojima game anyway.

It's just marketing budget

>It eats away funds
The funds that they'll immediately get back once people take notice of that celebrity being a part of the game

that's what you get when you're a failed movie director who makes games

I doubt Norman Reedus costs a lot. Del Toro probably isn't even getting paid. The only actor I feel may be out of Kojima / Sony's price range is Mads, but I heard Mads and Del Toro are friends, so Mads could be taking a cut in the budget. If the rumors are true about Ryan Gosling being in the game, however, I doubt Kojima will have enough money.

My only gripe is the 1for1 face capture when Shinkawa is so talented at character concepts. He will get to show his talent elsewhere Im sure, but even with MGSV they changed kiefers face quite a bit.
That being said, anyone complaining for nonartistic reasons have 0 clue how budgets and game development work. I bet half of you have zero idea the budget or what was needed before posting. I mean understand some of the best games were made for budgets less than Kojima probably spends a day, and few of those would have been improved by money.

In which Sup Forumsirgins pretend to be vidya devs

Why do people like Kojima again? He's a cancer to the industry that started these movie games shit. Just be a film director.

I've been saying this for years, only with expensive VA's and composers.

Unless it sounds new, it's going to sound generic, and nobody will think "Wow, did Jack Black REALLY do the piano in this song? This game is a fucking masterpiece. I'm sure glad it cost me an extra $10"

OP how would you spend the money instead? don't just say gameplay. I want to here which aspect of engine tweaking or who extra you'd hire. what they'd do, how they'd do it. Go on. Im assuming by saying its a waste of money, you have a good sense of what would have been a better use of money?

So this is the power of Kojma drones.

>expensive composers
Your an idiot.

Elaborate.

>draw distance literally in radius of 5 meters
yea GOTY

That's assuming you know anything about the kind of budget at hand which you do not.

1. OST can make or break a game
2. They arent that expensive
3. Number 2 here.

To be fair Reedus isn't popular outside the niche market TWD aims for. He's at much a C-list actor.

Why? Even if a Gosling is indeed in the game, what is that? $5M? The typical AAA game budget goes easily 20x over that. So the profit of having Gosling is not only having an experienced actor for mocap, but also having a fucking Gosling as a marketing tool for the average crowd. His paycheck can be considered a part of marketing budget.

even if Gosling*

>niche market
>TWD
pick one and only one, literally the biggest normalfag show on television

B+, B-. C is kinda harsh.

You don't know how game production and fund allocation actually works.

Shut the fuck, asshurt nerd.

isn't TWD one of the most viewed shows of all time after GoT? the main actors aren't A listers but they aren't exactly small fries either

>doing it well
L.A. Noire
>doing it poorly
Fallout 3/Oblivion

>Hiring popular real life actors is detrimental to the quality of a game
True

But to Japan, the commercial success of a game nowadays is determined by the voice actors

Depends on the actor. Kiefer Sutherland charges a flat $600k (maybe 700k) for non-movie projects, no matter how big or small

>but also having a fucking Gosling as a marketing tool for the average crowd.
Dont you get it? this is what really angers people itt about it. Notice how nobody here gave numbers or said how theyd actually spend it? People are just upset it appeals to more people. They want games to only be what they want and to appeal to as little people as possible.
detrimental how.

I'm not that guy. I'm not as mad as him about vidya developers hiring Hollywood actors. But you could spend the 10 million that would go to the actor's paycheck in a different manner. From hiring more coders, supervisors and shit (depending on the game), you could even get a trip for the entire dev team for the purposes of research and such. The art team from "Journey" traveled to some desert just so they could get natural inspiration from natural environments and I thought that was really cool, because the game ended up really beautiful and I can't think that it was just because the devs and artists were really that good all along, something must have came from that trip.

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Hang on I thought the times displayed in the movie told you over how long the plot was developing in those certain segments

Dont worry Kojima is just trying to look deep.

Eh whatever. It's not like Sony's missing money.
I might be biased towards this argument because I have a man crush on Mads.

what is GoT
Also I have normalfag acquaintances and even they got sick of TWD's slowness after the 5th season, many of them stopped watching.

>You think top actors give a good performance for video game toys? It is just an easy paycheck.

Remember how they out Tyrion in destiny then gave up because he was so bad at voice acting

Yeah bate XXDD

>From hiring more coders, supervisors and shit
to do what? what are they needed for? to twiddle their thumbs? Say add a new mwchanic, eventually that becomes detrimental and takes away. Bug testing? there is diminishing returns that go pretty hard here. Fact of the matter is there is only so much you can spend on "gameplay" and its generally a moderate amount that doesnt benefit for padding your budget.
>you could even get a trip for the entire dev team for the purposes of research and such.
this is 1000x the waste of money. I mean if you are trying to replicate a real life location, sure spend a few grand (at most) flying some guys out there. but millions would be idiotic.
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Why is Kojima so likable?
Why is he the only dev making Kino movie/games

I feel you bro, I too wanna play as our queen Joost.

How old is he anyway?
50?
Yeah so likable for a man not behaving to his age.

It's true. But for Marketing purposes, this does wonders.

t.Marketing Genius Mark Zuckerberg.

it also attracts normies, which equals more sales and more funds, you are retarded

>detrimental how
Lots of japs will eat even the shittiest shovelware and mobage if it means getting to hear their favorite idol or seiyuu make AM I KAWAII UGUU noises


Most jap game trailers introduce their fictional characters with the name of the real actor plastered all over

no. I asked how it is detrimental, as in makes the game worse. To have Hollywood actors, idols or whatever in it. How do they make it worse? Im not asking about marketing or if they are also in shit games. Im asking how they are detrimental to the games they are in.

>english: Dunkirk
>katakana: DANNKERUKU

why is japanese so fucking retarded? katakana is literally the reason they can't into english

How dare he

I dont because Quiet was hard to look at. why is it that Joost is a 10/10 but Quiet looks like that retarded 0/10 wildling girl, Gilly from GoT? Is it Uncanny Valley?

Go outside and ask 100 people who's Tom Cruise and who's Norman Reedus. The results might surprise you.

>long ass quote on a image downloaded from facebook than posted on Sup Forums
sure showed me,you cant even name the statue on the picture.

tbf, more people will recognize Reedus face than name.

Nah, actors are hired for 2 primary reasons: acting and looks.

So when a video game needs a character with character, and there's a perfectly good actor and voice talent available, why the fuck not go for it? Even "made up" characters are based off of real images from, you guessed it, celebrities. Seeing Madds in the DS trailer was way more badass than some fantasy character. He literally has the perfect face for a villain

>eats away funds
Blank check from Sony. With Kojima's name attached and popularity of the actors, it will make its budget back in one day.
>nothing of value
>genuine acting is not valuable in a story centric game

they might not recognize the name Norman Reedus but if you ask if they know Daryl from TWD they'll probably say yes

Mads is a friend of Refn who started his acting career, so he's probably doing Refn a favor and working for his weird nip friend for fairly cheap. Same deal with Reedus and Del Toro.

>adds nothing of value to the game
It adds marquee value. That's why they do it.

Goal

refn?

Ace on that dismissive reaction bruh!

Nicolas Winding Refn

All NV did was make me want to fuck chandler bing
IT also made me wish for a nuclear winter

He also doesn't look his age

whatever makes you sleep at night

again.
Literally who? the fuck does he have to do with Death Stranding?

Sometimes an actor is so good he will be the best/only good thing about a crap game - see Mark Strong for a perfect example.

yeah he actually looks older.

this
Just hire some nobody stage actor whose acting skills are actually good instead of some celeb faggot

>It eats away funds and adds nothing of value to the game.

Who says? Investing everything in coding and programming doesn't also guarantee a quality product

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>please pay attention and take our games industry seriously, look, we even have movie starts like the big boy movies

80 millions bruh

I explained what he has to do with it you retarded pleb. He hooked up Kojima with Mads.

My point exactly and people know who's Tom Cruise by name, face or any. That's the difference between an A-lister and a niche actor.

Big reason why Reedus involvement won't be eating away a lot of the budget.

Don't worry, he did it so he could have an excuse to fondle Mads Mikkelsen and take him on a honeymoon trip.

blatantly untrue m8, you're describing david cage
kojima actually puts effort into the gameplay aspect of his games, even if they're separated by vast stretches of cutscene

>kojima actually puts effort into the gameplay aspect of his games
HAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHA
Other people do that idiot.

>fail
Say what you like about Kojima, but expecting it to fail is as moronic as Konami canning him. Putting his name on something is guaranteed profit.

>using the word normie like some fucking failed norman
>thinking that having them play games outside of cod and battlefield is a good idea
Remember how great it was when Elder Scrolls and Naughty Dog got normans buying their game? Remember all the quality gamest hey had in the seventh and eighth console generations?
You're basically saying 'It makes them money so they should do it and we should agree'

go watch a movie then faggot

You understand that a director's job is to manage every aspect of the game, right?

Or right i forgot.

>written by koima
>produced by kojima
>idea by kojima
>directed by
>dick sucked by kojima
>put slippers on by kojima

So your argument for "he didn't manage the gameplay" is "he managed everything"?

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Would it kill you to actually articulate your argument?

Mads is cute.

CUTE!

I recenently finally saw Dr. Strange and I really liked Mads in it. What's the best stuff he's been in Sup Forums? I wanna watch more