Free things include:

Free things include:
>Mobile games
>MMOs, MOBAs, the most casual games
>Youtube videos
>Twitch
>the whole "ad-supported model" in general

Now you want to keep mods on that list? While there's a SMALL percentage of mods that are incredible, most of them are garbage skins or even straight-up asset flips. Your magical communist christmas land, where free mods are just an ocean of quality, passionate works is fucking delusional.

"Well, now all of these mods will cost $5" - why the fuck were you installing boob mods and CoD AK47 models anyway? Who the fuck is forcing you to buy them? In fact, the strong reaction to putting an $5 tag on these mods means nobody will fucking buy them.

>but developer will take a cut!
Yes, it's their fucking game, they can do that shit. If you're not putting a tag on your mod, they're getting $0 like they've used to.

>but it will incentivize developers to be lazy!
And developers aren't lazy already? How many fucking games have mod support anyway? If it will incentivize developers to create mod tools - that's awesome.

So is there a serious argument against paid mods other than "my imaginary communist utopia is collapsing because someone is putting a price tag on a boob mod"?

tl;dr
fuck off todd

peepeepoopoo

What's the mod?

Let's be honest, if FO4 was a good game people would at least be a little more tolerable of paid mods for it, but they're not.

it's called the 'reverse image search and not jontron gif' mod

Dude good one

>skyrim starts with no inclination of paid mods
>massive modding scene

>FO4 starts with the shadow of bethesda retrying paid mods hanging over it
>barely anyone bothers learning how to mod for it

Including the potential for a modder payout certainly didn't bring modding talent to FO4.

Just don't buy that shit. Do you get mad at companies that sell $50 t-shirts, or do you do the sensible thing and buy an $10 that you like?

Paid mods aren't promoting shitty mods, in fact they counteract shitty mods, because shitty modders are shitty businessmen and nobody will buy their crap. It's not like every modder has a PR company to push his mods regardless of quality.

Yeah, there's definitely no other factors there, like Skyrim being a really huge fucking game that basically changed the landscape - for worse, usually, but still - and Fallout 4 receiving very mixed reactions, even among casuals.
Or Skyrim being out for a lot longer, or Elder Scrolls in general having a stronger modding scene than Fallout (despite overlap).
It's definitely all paid mods.

>2017
>Doesn't pay for mods

Are you bullied, mentally handicapped or both?

>b-but it kills free modding

And? Was modding a contest about who pays less for stuff?

>the mods are shitty!!!

They're not, as long as you're not under-aged and you can appreciate the work Bethesda put into them

>it's....IT'S EXPENSIVE!!!

Who forces you to buy a mod a day, fucking peat-gavel

Atomic Beauty. I really wish Skyrims version of TBBP/HDT would come to Fallout 4, it looks like shit so far. Do not recommend any body physics mods for Fallout 4 for the foreseeable future.

this guy gets it, now back to chain smoking and buying mods

Your argument is incalus because in order to use mods, you must purchase the game on question. Thus, they are not free.

>incalus
Invalid

Mod makers stopped caring after Oblivion. It really shows with mod quality as well.

well, as far as i remember, nu-fallouts modding community wasnt as big as community for oblivion and skyrim. 5-6 years ago there were hardly any good mods for FO3 or NV, but oblivion still was given some quality releases, even with people slowly transitioning towards modding skyrim.

The issue more along the lines of the era of 'shitty shovelware games', that is currently returning, where people churn out lots of garbage with pretty labels to get people to buy their minimum work product at a price where it isn't worth fighting against to get a refund. If you purchase some clothing, and instead of looking perfect like it does in it's screenshots and displays, in-game it's a clunky jagged bit of hot garbage with half of it clipping into the character, you just get ripped off for that $2 instead of wasting all your time.

FO4 peaked when the vore and fart mods starting being developed for it anyway

Never played Oblivion, so idk, but I do see that no one (so far, hopefully that will change) has built a custom skeleton for FO4 to insert better body physics into the game, which is something I'd really like to see. And, even barring the better boob physics, I just want to see an 'enhanced camera' come to FO4, because while for me, first person is the only way to roll, disembodied hands just totally kill it.

i wish people made such good fanarts for FO1&2. i have this feeling that most casuals dont even know that FO3 wasnt a first fallout.

>in order to use mods, you must purchase the game

I mean, the big 3 on there would indicate that it wasn't the first, but personally, I never played them, and I'm not sure I would unless they were in the format that 3, NV, 4 has been. Skyrim was my first Bethesda game, FO4 was my first fallout game, and even though I like NV WAAAAY better, I still go back to 4 because its a pretty game and there is a lot that can be done with it, even if the modding community hasnt/wont do anything. 4 is a shit game, but I still like it for particular reasons. If 1 and 2 came to FO4s engine, under Black Isle direction obviously, then yeah, sure.

Maybe I'm spoiled, but that's what I think. I know this isnt really "fanart", but I think a good recreation would be fanart of its own right.

That's because Skyrim has re-play value. FO4 I played once, and had no interest in trying again at all.

fo4 blew it by not releasing creationkit on launch because it was such low tier game no one could possibly care about after some months after

i know you're joking, but yes, when 3 came out there were so many, many uderage fuckers talking about how 'wow this new IP is so good' i hope fallout gets more games' etc from huge swathes of bethtards that couldn't grasp that THREE meant it was already the third game.

to the point where even linking them to the other games etc would just provoke 'that ain't bethesda that's some literal who dev, they just trying to make knockoff games and steal beth's rep' and shit like that.

economic argument:

how much am i willing to pay for an extra texture in the game: 0$

therefore people will stop engaging in the mod scene.
fewer people in mod scene reduces interest, reduces cooperation, reduces exchange of ideas. if someone is making money off their mod they're less likley to share assets. basically one change has a lot of effects, not the same as a slippery slope.

so yea, if you're only interested in how to create a revenue stream, there is potential. however, it will negativley affect the modding scene. so congrats, whats more important to you, money? or awesome mods.

steam decided the money wasnt worth it. i dont know why some user on Sup Forums would be so passionate about something like this.

>economic argument:
>how much am i willing to pay for an extra texture in the game: 0$
So you're argument is that mods are worthless, and that's why they shouldn't cost money.I agree.

No because mods have always been a bonus. I don't require native mod support in my games, but if it's there, I'm more likely to buy it. Adding a price to it is like advertising "yeah, remember that whole microtransaction thing you all hate? Well, we dont even give a shit to make them, you guys do the work and we'll make some cash too!" It's dumb greedy bullshit.