Who would win if the Forerunners and Combine fought eachother? Epistle 3 is canon for this discussion

Who would win if the Forerunners and Combine fought eachother? Epistle 3 is canon for this discussion.
I'm going with the combine.

the forerunners are stupid

Forerunners

The Forerunners would go DUUUUUUUUUR LETS BLOW OUR SELVES UP THAT WILL STOP THEM AND MAKE IT SO THEY CNAT BLOW US UP and then the Dildect would be like THIS IS SMART I AM SMART and then he would blow themselves up. Meanwhile the combine would be like huh?

Considering the forerunners could solo almost the entire 40k universe combined, i'd say the forerunners would curbstomp

Forerunners are nearly culture tier.

There's literally no reason to think the Forerunners wouldn't smash the combine.

Gonna need a source on this statement.

Is this a space Kinect?

Can you elaborate on that

Forerunners during their peak were technological giants, even by WH40K standards. They could mass produce dyson spheres, ringworlds and perfected genetic manipulation so thoroughly that they created several specialized sub-species of castes within Forerunner society.

In the Forerunner Saga novels they also talk about how they perfected interstellar travel, created modular ships out of pure light and relegated a conquered humanity to some backwater planet. It's silly.

wre the forerunners hoomies or just their ancestors?

>relegated conquered humanity to some backwater planet
Earth?

Also, I thought the forerunners were our ancestors and that was literally the reason why space genocide was declared on hoomies.

Yes.
>Also, I thought the forerunners were our ancestors
No. Ancient, pre-terra humans were at war with the Forerunners because they were being driven out of their territory by the Flood.

From what i've seen Necron's could solo, Pre-Fall Eldar could solo (an argument could even be made for Post-Fall Eldar giving them trouble), Chaos could solo and the entire Tyranid Race could potentially solo via outnumbering a million to one and Shadow Of the Hive mind.

Pre-Heresy Imperium could outright stomp due to the Primarchs and the GEOM. So put it bluntly no. The Forerunners don't even stand a small chance of taking on the 40k verse and i'm talking without things like the C'tan, Apex Twins, Black Pariah's, Chaos Gods etc.... An argument could be made for simply all the psykers in 40k soloing via reality warping.

>No.
Isn't that a retcon?

I think I distinctly remember back in H2 or H3 that hoomies were descendants of forerunners and thats why they were being genocided (to keep the faith alive and the priests relevant)

That definitely seems like the original intention, given humanity's unique ability to use tech like the Index, and the fact that Guilty Spark literally says "you are forerunner."
I never read any of the post HL3 novels but it seems like a lame retcon

Halo 3 Terminals retconned that, good night.

I know lots about 40k and relatively little about Halo, but from what I've seen the Forerunners could even beat out the Necrons for technological superiority. The Halo array is more destructive than anything in 40k, excepting perhaps the Celestial Orrery.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

A single halo installation alone can sanitize everything within 25K light years with radiation. If it's not a machine it won't survive, full stop.

But I mean, this is only a single Forerunner weapon. They have the industrial throughput to create a ring world every eight months or so.

How do we even know the Halos REALLY work

>the entire Tyranid Race could potentially solo via outnumbering a million to one and Shadow Of the Hive mind

>a force made up of purely biological entities could solo a race that builds weapons which destroy all biological life

Did you even bother think about this one before you posted it? And why the fuck would the Shadow in the Warp have ANY effect on the Forerunners?

Are you just spouting random shit you read on the wiki?

Because the Flood didn't kill everyone.

They never seemed too dangerous. More of an annoyance than a threat.

Unless it affects warp-space, it doesn't really matter how far or wide the effects of Halo spread in the physical space. Chaos can just fuck off inside warp, wait it out and emerge back out unscathed. Worse yet, Chaos works much like the flood. Their fucking demons can and will possess tech, AI and anything else that has a semblance of intelligence or programming. And all Necrons are machines now.

>Chaos can just fuck off inside warp, wait it out and emerge back out unscathed.

You're an idiot. If the Halo installations wipe out all sentient life, there would be nothing to allow Chaos to manifest in the physical realm. Daemons can't simply cross over at will, they require something to bridge realspace and the Warp, like a portal, or an untrained psyker. Firing off the entire Halo array and wiping out all life in the galaxy would actually be like hitting the reset button for Warp, really.

>Chaos works much like the flood

Chaos works nothing like the flood. A fucking Bloodletter can't just latch onto an organism and convert it into some sort of daemonhost. It requires a dedicated process, or a pact between two parties to allow one to receive the blessings of Chaos. Only Nurgle's plagues could be argued to be even slightly similar. The Enslaver's as well, but who knows how canon they are anymore.

>something to bridge realspace and the Warp, like a portal, or an untrained psyker

Except for you know, the Eye of Terror.

completly ignore the lore from ghosts of onyx
>343 is fucking dead to me

I don't think you realize how advanced the forerunners are. They literally use FTL travel as mundanely and easily as we use radio wave transmission now, same with genetic manipulation, interacting with consciousness, and free manipulation of atomic matter to where their ships and buildings could just restructure themselves at will.

Which is why I said in my post here "almost" Chaos and the chaos gods are the exception.


But the precursors could just stomp them

u wot, ghosts of onyx is still entirely canon. Also multiple of the recent halo novels are outright ghosts of onyx tier good.

It would be interesting to shoot a Halo directly to the Eye of Terror to see what happen.
Shit all that energy could even create a New Chaos God

>the Eye of Terror

Yeah, a giant wound in realspace that makes it coterminous with the Warp. And guess what? Daemons aren't constantly pouring out of it and invading the rest of the galaxy, because they're not living creatures. They require specific sets of circumstances to maintain themselves outside the Warp. The Red Tide is a good example of that.

Saying that Chaos would be unaffected by the destruction of every living thing in the galaxy is dumb as fuck.

aren't Necrons machines with no life?, isn't their purpose to eliminate life so eventually no gods are left around?

wich novels, stopped after the second forrunner book
>they fucking ignored the lore behind the third spartan generation
>fucking chinese plastic soldiers

night

> no shield only armor and photosesitiv plating

The forerunners have a good amount of experience with other dimensional stuff, they could probably figure something out.

Forerunners.

Stupid op in the books

I don't know how you'd beat anything that had to do with the orerry. It's pretty much the most Deus Ex Machina piece of tech in 40k.

>all this completely incorrect bullshit

It's one of those weapons that is so destructive you just have to assume your enemy isn't planning on using it.

And if it comes to it, invade the planet where it's located and capture the fucking thing. Or at least try and break it.

Then why are Necrons unaffected by Chaos?

They've developed themselves entirely around anti-warp tech.

But can't they just click you in the orrery if you get too close or threaten them? Then you just get popped into nothingness

Warp in so many things they can't click them fast enough.

>But can't they just click you in the orrery if you get too close or threaten them?

Well it's not a map of everything everywhere, it just shows stars. It doesn't keep them updated on fleet movements. And you can easily avoid stars. There's more empty space than there are star systems.

The worst they could do is blow up your home planet when you arrive to steal their bullshit little gadget. You might win the day (or you might not. They are Necrons, after all) but then when you try and go back home you just find a bunch of space dust. One last 'fuck you' from the dudes you just robbed.

Daemons can certainly possess machines, but the specifics and limitations of such possession has always been a bit vague. And whether or not it can be done to Necrons is not known, because it's one of those 'What if?' scenarios that you'll probably never see. Like can Daemons possess a hormagaunt? Maybe, but it would be like possessing a toaster - why bother? The only ones you would want to possess is a lord or overlord, and good fucking luck pulling that off. Perhaps reanimation protocols can actually prevent such possession. It might even be propable that at the first sign of Warp corruption the Necron would phase out, or perhaps even self destruct beyond all recovery.

Humans can use forerunner technology because they "reclaimed the mantle". Which from what I understand is that they are the Universe's dad and have to make sure all the other races behave themselves like the Forerunners did. Guilty Spark was rampant when he said what he did, but there is some truth to it as Humanity is technically in the same position as the Forerunners.

Humanity and the Forerunners were at war for a long ass time. They were equals in combat but idk about technology. The Forerunners thought humanity was a warmongering race because the humans were attacking Forerunner worlds trying to purge the Flood. The Didect was like "these niggas really took on the mantle of responsibility by themselves? FUUCKKK" after finding out what the Flood was and because of that some Forerunner ho (the one you meet in Halo 3) decided to gift onto them the future and seed of Forerunner genetics or some gay shit like that allowing them to access Forerunner tech.

>they "reclaimed the mantle"

But humans didn't know shit about Forerunners or any of the mantle stuff, they literally just found the Halo device. Did they just get the mantle by default? And why didn't the Covenant get a shot at it?

Reminder that pre-Fall Eldar with their insane psychic tech, billions of automatons and to us unknown superweapons who still lost to the Necrons (who will beat the Forerunners easily, not counting doomsday weapons)will veat the forerunners with maybe minor problems.

Humans had god tier genetics but were not as advanced as the Forerunners.
There was a disagreement within the forerunners, some wanted to keep the mantle while others wanted to let humans grow and flourish and take over. One side de-evolved the humans then nuked them with the Halos, humans got re-seeded from ark worlds by the robots left from the other side.
>And why didn't the Covenant get a shot at it?
Because they're genetically inferior scum. When the didact is freed he calls them beasts and primitives.

I just looked up the wiki and it says that Humanity didn't even have the mantle and that nobody had it since the Halo Array fired until Cortana and her AI buddies "took it" in Halo 5, so I have no idea what Didact was talking about in Halo 4 which is what i'm referring to, and i'm going to take a guess that they have retconned it.

I hope Brian Reed is happy with himself, it's going to take some kind of Rosetta stone to properly decipher whatever the fuck Halo lore is now.

What you said is totally true, but Chaos will always get its due. Even if it takes a billion years, there'll always be life evolving somewhere and feeding it. Chaos as a whole can never be completely eliminated.

>Because they're genetically inferior scum
>mfw

Grunts and Jackals may be shit tier, but an Elite can take on a dozen average humans. What the fuck is the criteria for having good genetics?

Being hoomie

>there'll always be life evolving somewhere and feeding it. Chaos as a whole can never be completely eliminated

We'll see about that.

>mfw i forgot my face

Well, we don't really know how powerful the combine really are seeing as how the the forces that sent to Earth was just some sort of a scouting party.

Halo past CE is fucking retarded.

dyson sphere

>What the fuck is the criteria for having good genetics?
Not being a slave race who start working for the first religious scammers who come to your planet.
Ancient humans were also stronger, bigger, more intelligent and would've raped the elites.

So why did re-seeded humanity get all the shit stuff then ?

>Ancient humans were also stronger, bigger, more intelligent and would've raped the elites.

Really? That's fucking neat. Imagine making a Spartan from one of those.

The anti-human forerunners would've noticed and gotten pissed and killed all the humans, so the pro-human forerunners had to be sneaky and set it up so they'd progress back to being top tier after the the galaxy was life wiped.

Chaos is driven by the emotions of mortals. If the Halo installations wiped out all life in the galaxy, the warp would become incredibly calm, and the ability of the ruinous powers to affect real space would be almost non-existant