Ok so something really confuses me about the xp thing in this game

ok so something really confuses me about the xp thing in this game.

apparently there is an xp cap in the game, like 161 000 or something.
im guessing that means that on a single playthrough (or on every playthrough that uses the same character?) you the overall xp that can be earned by all your characters is 161000.

the question is - does that mean that i cant max out all my characters? im guessing i can max out my character since hes always present but is it inevitable for someone like neera or imoue or someone to never get to max level because the xp just stops i guess after the limit is reached?

or is it that just when a character reaches 161 000 xp he himself stops gaining xp while the others that can gain it gain it...?

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Never played the first one, but I'm sure that each character is capped at 161,000 and once one of them reaches it only that cannot level further, while the other still receive XP up until the 161,000 mark.

you won't reach the cap in a realistic playthrough so don't worry about it

*only that character

w-well i would still like a confirmation...

Each character has a cap of 161000 xp. Max level fpr BG1 will depend on the class, for example my wizard slayer got to level 8 and Neera got to 7 I think. There are exp cap remover mods but they make you insanely overpowered. Just import your character to SoD then BG2 and you'll keep leveling

I'm wondering about something. Does exp distribute evenly or what? Like, there's that "total experience value in party" thing on a character's information screen. I've been using Jaheira and she leveled up way before anybody else did. But then I look at exp before and after killing something, and it seems basically evenly distributed.

it's split evenly but different classes have different level break points so they won't all gain a level at the same time

multiclass characters will split the exp they receive even further, equally between each class

jaheira had more xp when you recruited her, she was halfway to the next lvl. it was the same for me

>macintosh

I remember the original BG came with a nice detailed manual with the answers to all these questions. We would read it to find the answers and learn the game.

Ah simpler times.

Yeah I know about different classes having different required exp, but Jaheira leveled up way before everybody else, and everybody else leveled up around the same time.

This would explain it though. I guess I never noticed her base exp.

Out of sheer fucking curiosity, have you EVER actually played a game where someone hitting the XP cap stops other party members from hitting their XP cap?

Also, realistically speaking, you will never reach that cap unless you play the entire game as a solo character which is heavily not recommended unless you somehow get 4 18's and can multi-class Fighter/Thief/Magic-User. It's less of the fact that the XP threshold skyrockets, and more of the fact that there is just a finite amount of XP in the game and random encounters always give shit. Most of your XP comes from quests, main story, and puzzles.

>Been wanting to play some games that take place in 2nd Edition
>Baldur's Gate is the only game that does it
>Icewind Dale uses 3rd
>D&D games past that are derivatives of 4th.

Halp

idk man, this is d&d. its the first fucking rpg ever.
i know i wont hit the cap probably but the question still tortured me since i started

the idea he had was probably that the game itself would give you 161 000 xp total and how you distribute it and manage it is up to you

I hit the cap on each character with a 6 man party right when I finished Durlags Tower. Definitely possible

That...actually sounds like an interesting mechanic, now that I think about it. The RPG gives you XP in the form of a usable good, and you can decide when and where to use it and how. Not sure if it would pay off, but it would be interesting. Especially for a speedrun situation.

It's for each character. Once a character has accumulated 161,000 xp they won't gain any more.

yup. i would get the appeal of it though it just sounds frustrating to me desu.

That's basically how it works in Fire Emblem, for instance.

unless you abuse the arena that is
>tfw managed to abuse arena a little in fucking thracia
>made the game almost normally beatable
>still balls hard though

>Enhanced Edition
You done fucked up. But anyways
> does that mean that i cant max out all my characters
No, but that's probably not going to happen anyways unless you go out of your way to complete a shit load of optional stuff and stick with the same party members throughout the game. At least that's how it is on normal difficulty; on harder difficulties you gain xp faster, so that does makes a difference.
>or is it that just when a character reaches 161 000 xp he himself stops gaining xp while the others that can gain it gain it...?
Yes, that would be the case.

Icewind Dale uses 2nd. Icewind Dale II uses 3rd. Planescape Torment uses 2nd as well.

NWN uses 3rd

>Icewind Dale II
2.5th

You're in luck then. All the SSI goldbox games use 2nd edition.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't NWN actually come out before Icewind Dale did?

i don't think so, my memory is a bit hazy tho

You're wrong. IWD came out in 2000, and NWN came out in 2002.

Icewind Dale and BG both used the same slightly bastardized 2e ruleset with minor differences. BG2 is much more different from them than IWD or BG is from each other.

Why is EE shit? I was thinking of picking it up, would stop any of that hassle that ensues from trying to get old PC games to work in HD on modern computers.

he is talking major bullshit.
you can easily level 6 character to max long before you reach the end if you play everything the game has available, while also changing characters after ones you would rather have become accessable, so there is quite a bit more than what is needed.
the combat xp is divided by every character that can gain xp, which means if some character is maxed, everyone else gets part of his share, and quest xp are not divided but applied to every character, and later quest give much more xp, so even if you change characters late in game you can still comfortably level them to max.

They tried to make it use standard 3rd edition, but couldn't make that work on the infinity engine, so they removed the parts that didn't work. They didn't add stuff to 2nd edition.

It did, a few months iirc. Bioware worked on NWN on the new aurora engine, Black Isle worked on ID2 on the old infinity engine.

its not shit. its just that oldfags like their modded og game more.
i mean it probably is better overall but to a new player it doesnt mean anything cause its still fucking baldurs gate

Yeah Icewind Dale (1) uses 2nd edition. It's also pretty much the only decent EE version.

>quest xp is not devided, everyone gets the max amount
holy shit everyone except for neera missed out on that beregost drunk dad 900 xp. fuck

>realistically speaking, you will never reach that cap unless you play the entire game as a solo character
That is not even true in BG2ToB, 6 characters is hard to do, but even 5 is practically guaranteed.
But he is talking specifically about BG1, where it is not only possible to advance 7 characters to maximum level, but easy.

Not OP, just anothet guy playing bg1 for the first time. Minor spoiler...

[Spoiler]I just cleared out the mine. Should I head north to continue the story or focus on side quests? I looked up a guide to see how far I was into the game (about 3/7th done apparently). While looking it up I read I should be around level 4 by now. It seems unlikely i could be as I have two or three level 2s and the rest level 1 still.

Imagine if all of Sup Forums's shrieking about SJWs was real and they decided to fuck with your favorite game.

That's EE.

The OC Donut characters in BG1 are still mostly ignorable.

What they've done to BG2 however
>bastardized UI
>bastardized inventory
>bastardized character screen
>bastardized spellbook
>quest pop-ups

Wasn't this version the one where they forced Minsc to make an anti-gamer gate line?

Jesus christ, if you're not exaggerating I might get the original after all. Details?

havent gotten to bg2, but if its anything like bg1ee ive got no problems with it.

i did notice the popup quest thing. its not a big deal really.....right?

Nope, that was the expansion.

They added their own companions that you can safely ignore.

I think this was how The Banner Saga did it. You got points (I can't remember what they were called), something like Prestige Points and they were used to both level up your characters and buy supplies. And being the kind of game it was, you couldn't go grind for more.

What? Really?
Why can't today's devs just fuck off with their political bullshit? I just want to play games for fuck sake. If I wanted political commentary, I could just go to a pub or something.

not that guy but I will try to explain, even with the updates that let you use mods (you couldn't early EE)

pros of original

1. modding
modding has been around for a very long time for the original, meaning there was a hundred times more extra content and fixes for the near million mistakes and bugs that were at release
2. no self inserting new characters just because
I don't know about anyone else, but putting in new characters for an old game just doesn't sit right with me. Kind of like shitting in another dudes cornflakes.
3. Stability
Unless you royally fuck up mods the game is smooth because its older software with new tech.
4. better intros (probably more opinion)

cons of original
1. game can get huge with enough mods, but hd space is cheap anyhow
2. compatibility issues may still exist because its an older game

pros of EE
1. don't really need to do anything to set it up
2. similar experience
3. could be more stable after fixes (lol)
4. released own expansion of series (pretty rare to see new expansions of such an old game)

cons of EE
1. not all mods were compatible
2. new characters feel kinda strange to purists
3. not everyone agrees with the quality of life changes
4. original players don't really care too much to play a different (but same) game after playing the original dozens of times.

i was clearing out my garage last month and i found my baldur's gate manual. shame i lost the box and map and stuff years ago.

Nothing like BG:EE, the BG2:EE version is so much worse.

At least you can roll back the steam version (beta branch) in the library. For now.

I just after the mines myself, and my party is about the same as yours. I had a pretty rough time with Mulahey, so I think I should level up some. Apparently the Gnoll Stronghold is pretty easy, so I might go explore that.

>SJW bullshit
holy shit stop it with this shit.
theres like 2 lines in the game that suggest anything of the sort and its only with the new characters.

the new characters can be a bit lorebreaking though, ill give you that. hearing neera say things like "im gonna beat you up you creep!" while everyone else is medieval and shit was jarring.

its not a big deal though. the improvements and additions ee adds make up for it (again for a 1st time player).

if you want to spend a day cracking your brain modding the original go for it.
if you just want to play the fucking game with some necessary modern improvements, install and play ee. its fucking simple. its the same fucking game, theres just BONUS stuff on the side.

The exp cap means you cannot obtain more exp after reaching that amount, but it is entirely possible for an entire party to reach the exp cap.

is BG better than its sequel? ive played BG2 probably three times, best rpg of all time imo.

i always assumed BG was worse because in general low level DND rpgs are more boring than high level rpgs, because you know... you're fighting goblins and shit rather than cool creatures

>bg1
>get 3-4 summon wands
>beat last boss by summoning trailer trash 1d4 monsters around him

TIME FOR SOME COD

>not re-rolling your stats until you get 90+ total

never gonna make it

>banner saga
damn, whens the 3rd one coming already...

>i always assumed BG was worse because in general low level DND rpgs are more boring than high level rpgs, because you know... you're fighting goblins and shit rather than cool creatures
well you hit the nail on the head. also low level dnd means you need to cheese the combat otherwise you're gonna get smacked. i ended up equipping most of my party with bows and shooting casters to stunlock them. then there are the times the enemy gets lucky with a diceroll and instakills your character.

i learned to love the quicksave button.

>tfw 96 points

>Details?
It was actually an expansion, like the other user said, but there was a huge stink about it. I was gonna post the line, but I can't find it without some git commenting over it.

The line was "Well, REAAAALLY it's all about ethics in Heroic Adventuring" in a somewhat sarcastic tone. It's not the WORST thing, but you can easily tell it's a red flag for many of the other things that went into that expansion, such as a tranny character that literally just sits there and gives you mountains of exposition about how they discovered their true gender identity and your only options for talking with them were in complete support of this decision. Also more than half of the new cast/NPCs introduced were gay/bi.

I don't remember this expansion selling well.

What's so terrible about it? I ran into zero issues when I played it.

what the hell u talkin about boy? they did basically nothing to UI or any of that shit

>96
muh nigga. 96 master RACE!

Yeah, low level D&D has never been captured well at all, because at low levels, you're not supposed to be fighting, least of all fighting fairly.

I preferred BG1 over BG2, and that's coming from someone who never played the series until recently. I like the exploration and character progression more in BG1. BG1's expansion was also way better than BG2's.

plus when you're fighting at low levels every fight is much more decided by your dice rolls than at any other point in the game

>4. released own expansion of series
That is only technically a pro, since siege of dragonspear castle is not good.
Of all the games that are like baldurs gate in some way, IWD, PoE, NWN, or even DivOS, SoDC is seriously the last thing you should play.

>first bg1 fight
>assassin caster shoots magic missle
>you died!
>GAME OVER

>don't need to do anything to set it up
EE removed the config program. You're stuck with 30fps, bad pathfinding, and whatever else. Unless you know where to dig for the file, and what numbers to change.

>if you want to spend a day cracking your brain modding the original go for it.
You download the HD mod and make it install in your game folder.

And you've played it when? This happened ~5 months ago.

They really need to create a game that actually uses the treasure = XP rules, and lets you do creative things with the environment so you can fight as dirty as possible. Would work best with dungeon factions and the morale rules too.

In the old version of D&D, this was actually the point. Combat is chancy and a resource sink. You're supposed to avoid it unless you have overwhelming superiority - and even then, negotiation is probably the better option.

But then, CRPGs are just squad tactics games, not PnP ones. C'est la vie.

>first roll is
>18, 18, 18, 14, 10, 8

>gibberling crits your mc

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>And you've played it when? This happened ~5 months ago.
Oh, I pirated both games a year or so ago. I'm surprised they're still updating it.

anything sub 90 is nothing to be pleased about.
it is not bad, but not good either.

>And you've played it when? This happened ~5 months ago.
oh i see. last time i played was more than a year ago

install BGkeeper and give yourself what you want.
If you are going to keep rolling until your obsessive needs are met, you could save the time and simply set them.
The keeper also lets you customize your looks way more elaborately.

can just wear charisma ring, and get the free 1 or 2 points in the game towards int.

perfect character.

>go north of the friendly inn for the first time
>go in a cave
>get out immediately because havent explored the surface area fully
>see something in the ground while getting out
>quicksave the moment im out
>the moment i start moving giant green fucking worm comes out of the ground
>atta-
>insta kill
>holy shit
>proceed to try to figure out how to kill the damn thing with 4 lvl 1 characters
>drink every potion there is
>equip every bow there is
>cheese it for like 10 full minutes
>barely manage to kill it
>feelsgoodmang
>another one appears right as the 1st one dies
1st memorable experience from the game so far. its great when it happens.

>tfw when you will never be as autistic as Elmaron

enjoy your
THIS ISN'T WORKING
THIS ISN'T WORKING
THIS ISN'T WORKING
THIS IS IMMUNE
THIS IS IMMUNE

its good
doesnt really matter unless you wanna dual class

>That deltago cocksucker's comments

it always pissed me off when characters would leave your party if you didn't carry out their quest thing. like jesus christ dudes can't we fucking PREPARE before we go and rescue your friend?

shouldve used an autoroller. saves a lot of time while still making you feel like you got that 96 legit

>playing final fantasy 3 (US)
>shadow decides to leave just before the train

surprise comfy thread. feels good.

Protip: kill and resurrect them. They're now a different entity, so the quests aren't tied to them anymore = they won't leave.

>kill them
>resurrect them
>they're now a different person

I know that's not how the mechanic is supposed to work, but it's funny that that's what the underlying code is implying.

crpg threads are probably my fave on Sup Forums when people aren't fighting over which is better pillars of eternity or divinity (they're both great)

Actually, both are complete trash compared to IE games. How both of devs fail at making interesting universe is beyond me.

lul. i actually enjoy the rolling for hours for good stats. its like a mini-game, you have to balance out the speed at which you re-roll with your ability to not click again if you get good stats.

but i did use bgkeeper to give my mage instant spell casting permanently so i can be badass like irenicus. shits awesome

>poe
>bad
no. just no.
its great, maybe not the best in the genre, but its fucking great compared or not

i had no trouble getting bg 1 and 2 or IWD working on my box, but i got those from GoG.
also instead of getting EE, get easytutu and run the game in the BG2 engine if you dont want the vanilla experience

>siege of dragonspear

well fuck me, this whole thread i thought people were talking about tales of the swordcoast when they mentioned the expanision

>96 roll
>18/23 STR

absolutely serviceable until you get some gear that increases your strength up to 19 or above

I didn't expect to be raped by the new Blackguard guy after beating him in a duel but I guess it was progressive in a way.

EE was nice until 2.0 versiond and SoD came out - they changed interface to scrolling bullshit for tablets.

>They still haven't fixed it so you can switch from dual wielding to a 2handed weapon in IWD EE without having to fuck around in the inventory window

Pisses me off m8

I've only started playing BG1 about a month ago, on and off. I fucking love it, and I kinda want to try different builds and whatnot, but I don't see myself replaying it over and over. Generally how long is a playthrough when you know what you're doing?