"Let's have a button to skip boss fights!"

>In 2009 I suggested it was daft that I’m not able to just skip ahead while playing game, like I could in a film, book, or TV show. Of course that’s daft! I wrote back in 2012 about the idea of being able to skip fights, as a reaction to the despicable response to BioWare’s Jennifer Hepler’s suggesting that game combat should be skippable. Of course it should! Last year I talked about how deeply peculiar is the perceived notion that people have to be GOOD at games for them to be properly enjoyed. Of course they don’t! And in light of this seismic (that shouldn’t be, oh it shouldn’t be) announcement regarding AssCreed Unity, I want to reiterate it once more: let other people play games their way.

>The reaction against these thoughts is one of Us and Them, and a desire to keep the Them from getting near the Us. “Them” are all ordinary, inexpert, mediocre, or worst of all, new. While “Us” are expert, experienced, hardcore, elite. But let us reject that silliness immediately, and embrace the idea that welcoming the Outsider in is always how society broadens and blooms. Never mind that there are plenty of people already here who are looking for different and more varied experiences.

>I hate [boss fights] for me because I find them incongruous to the rest of the game they’re in (there are exceptions, games where a ‘boss’ is in fact a sequence that asks you to employ all you’ve learned so far, the gaming equivalent of a comprehension test, and these work so well, but they’re rare like rubies and it’s almost always just a difficulty spike). But I also hate them for other people, those who aren’t as good at games as I am (I am average good at games), for whom I know these are not boss fights, but end points. They are massive impassable obstacles between them and the fun they could be having afterward.

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Why even play video games?

Absolutely disgusting. Here's your (you). The first of many I imagine.

While on the surface a 'skip boss' button would be fine (assuming it can be permanently disabled at the start) the issue is that developers would just be even lazier about making decent boss fights. Boss fights are already a rapidly dying art, with very few games doing them right (funny I am making this post right after cuphead came out) and having a skip button would only exacerbate the situation.

I thought devs were already starting to phase out boss battles altogether. Too videogamey and whatnot.

Let's add a skip game button too.

who gives a shit
no good game would use this
only garbage games made for complete retards like assassin's creed, mass effect, bioshock, bamham, etc

bosses legitimately don't fit for some games. how do you incorporate a traditional boss fight into call of duty campaigns?

I unironically agree. Those who want to git gud can still choose to defray the boss, while those who aren't good enough can skip it for the way parts. I don't really see the downside.

this guy should skip his life

Juggernauts my man

Most games already have the option to change the difficulty out of combat, and if you die you typically respawn right before where you died out of combat. If you can't beat a game on the easiest difficulty in 2017, you shouldn't be playing video games, same thing as being unable to read Dr. Seuss and demanding picture-only books being the status quo.

The best way to tell a story in a video is to tell it during gameplay, thus this kind of faggots shut the hell up and the player keeps control; because controls are what there is in video game and not in cinema

HELLO DARKNESS MY OLD FRIEND

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Don't give clicks to clickbait.

>I'm too stupid to enter a cheat
>spoonfeed me an even easier solution pls

This is the guy who developers listen to, especially the japanese see this type of media and assume this is what westerners want, cause thats mainly who this guy is complaining about anyway, when this idiot opens his mouth, he speaks for us whether we want him to or not simply because he has more clout to developers and publishers because as a gaming journalist he is the voice of the gaming community to them.

Why is this happening?
I just want to play video games not watch a movie.

They should just include cheat codes again, the usual silly stuff, ulta-hard mode bullshit modes, and skips for the giant pussies that are the vidya reviewers and journalists of today.

Helicopters

pc gamers everyone

A lot of people, including myself, want to feel that the game is challenging them, not that they're challenging themselves by shooting themselves in the foot. It kinda breaks the thrill of a a fight for me if I know I could completely trivialise it.
I suck at vidyia, but that doesn't mean I don't want to be challenged.
Article completely misses the point.

Nah, most people believe americans are retarded no matter what, call it jelousy or whatever but anyone outside the US could tell you the same thing.

he isn't that wrong
for some people a bossfight can be the end of a game, because they can't do it
they maybe spend like 60$ on the game, this can be very frustrating
in fact being able to skip bossfights has no downsides, these people can use it and everyone who don't need or want it simply don't use it
this has no downsides

Why we're at it, let's just have buttons to skip every instance of gameplay. How about a 'teleport to the other side of this difficult platforming section' button? Or an 'automatically win the battle' button? A 'solve this puzzle' button? Fuck it, how about an 'instantly beat the game' button?

Have people been upset about the weird tourist mode in ACO? Honestly that was the first thing I heard about the game that genuinely interested me. Turning the game environment into a living museum seems like a neat idea.

What was wrong with that? I can sometimes tell that most of Sup Forums never had older siblings or friends. That's is what stuff like this is for. It's the computer version of the big brother or cousin getting past the one part you can't beat, and showing you how to do it on your own in the process.

No there was once a notion that American gamers like their games to be harder, thats why when localized things were altered a bit to make it harder, than games journalists whined to the publishers that the games were too hard and now its been going down hill ever since.

If you don't want a challenging game, don't play a challenging game.

>A lot of people, including myself, want to feel that the game is challenging them, not that they're challenging themselves by shooting themselves in the foot. It kinda breaks the thrill of a a fight for me if I know I could completely trivialise it.

Exactly.
A challenge isn't satisfying when you had to limit yourself by not using the WIN button sitting next to you. It's satisfying when the only way forward was through this formerly insurmountable challenge.

Situations that test your ammo supply, aim, and ability to perform the games mechanics and functions for a prolonged amount of time?
It really is not difficult, a boss at it's core is a encountered designed to combat with and test the players skill in one battle.

bosses dont, but what is necessary for most games is a fluctuating level of intensity. It's the same with story telling, you need hills and valleys to break things up. Bosses traditionally solved this, but a game like CoD has it's own "bosses" in the form of a quick rise in intensity. You'll find these are frequently bookended by stealth sections to build tension

I can agree to the sentiment that some games don't need a boss fight but the boss fight itself is a test of skill that hopefully the game has gradually taught you, a bit like the typical Zelda boss that has you use the last weapon you picked up to defeat the boss.

You're not the target audience anymore, user.
The normies are.
Long gone are the days of videogames being a niche hobby enjoyed exclusively by introverts, "nerds" and other shut-ins, because they became infinitely more accessible thanks to various factors such as Casualization, the Internet, the Wii, Facebook "Games" and of course, Mobile Devices.
As such, games, at least in the west, must appease the lowest common denominator to ensure the most sales by being accessible to the widest audience possible.

It's true though. Some boss fights are ass unless you spend forever grinding. Some boss fights are just ass no matter what in certain genres. Some companies just half-ass every single one of their boss fights.

>Gameplay and story should be intertwined, with gameplay helping to tell and accentuate the story
>You should be able to skip gameplay
These two ideas are totally incompatible, yet I'll bet money that's exactly what they're thinking

They call them casual filters for a reason

Normies aren't the ones that want to skip boss fights though.

That blows. Time to pick up a new hobby.

Read the whole thing, thought it might be Cuphead related but it turns out the game that's triggering him so badly is Breath of the Wild.

but there are no hard bosses in this game?

>Breath of the Wild
>Too hard, I want my gameplay skip button

Was this written by my 7 year old cousin who loves drawing Mario farting? That's the only way to explain the absolute retardation of this writer.

This seemed like it was leading up to a way better joke.

weapons durability is the only thing bad about BotW. useless piece of shit mechanic.

What's funny is the bosses in BotW are completely optional. You can do and see everything the game has to offer, including the final dungeon, without fighting a single boss. You just have to fight them all at the very end of the game if you want to see the end credits.

>Complaining how bosses are arbitrary roadblocks in a game where literally everything is optional
This is some next level shit.

They want to push the most popular form of gaming into being little more than vehicles for ideology, gameplay gets in the way.

What will actually happen is 'gaming' will split, the big companies will try to dominate in the new 'popular' gaming and 'amateurs' will make games with actual 'gameplay'.

With other forms of media this would mean the big companies control it, but in gaming one guy can make a better game than companies with $400 billion dollar budgets.

Jesus christ

That's the journos way of thinking, but I'll still wager there are wannabee game designers who genuinely hold those opinions and see no conflict between them

you could simply skip the game and play something else

>let's further enable instant gratification

If you're playing videogames for the story you're doing it wrong. The thing which separates games from films is interactivity and agency. The whole point is the gameplay, cutscenes are there to give context to what you're doing and make it feel like it matters. Strip away the gameplay and all you're left with is a shit movie. You'd think a gaming journalist would understand this but you'd also expect gaming journalists not to be goony beard men with hipster glasses, a minor in gender studies and a major in cuckoldry.
If you're making a game where the emphasis is on cutscenes and the interactivity is window dressing then you're everything wrong with gaming today. Even fucking Shenmue understood this which is why you spend so much time exploring and getting into kung-fu battles.
Basically fuck RPS. I knew John Walker wrote that just from the faggoty tone alone. Jesus fucking christ.

i fucking hate games """journalists""" so much

>Spoonfeeding the "The End" in video games.
Might as well burn down every library and get rid of education in general.
Might as well be reduced to savages with a magic toy that does everything and has the answer to every thing in life.

>a magic toy that does everything and has the answer to every thing in life.

A penis?

>welcoming the Outsider in is always how society broadens and blooms.
Yeah, the UK is doing a lot of blooming right now.

>journalists unironically want pic related to be a real thing

Easily the most infuriating part of the whole wall of text, and it's not even about video games. When will people stop accepting diversity being shoved down their throats?

>Erroneously brings up Unity when it's Origins that has the discovery tour more
>All of these idiots who keep ignoring that discovery tour mode is not some boss skip button in the story mode, it's just a free roam mode that disables all combat
There's no getting around these people being stupid, is there?

Yes, that's why the world is falling apart, the penis stock has plummeted since 2006 and we are in an inflation of pussies, real and fake ones.

They'll start bitching when achievements are disabled for skipping boss fights like they already are for cheat codes, I guarantee it.

>tfw shitskins who had their council flats burned down in london get free holidays to my glorious, formerly white seaside town

"diversity" was a mistake

An exploration mode for something like Ass Creed isn't a terrible idea. An option to skip boss fights and not the rest of the combat is pretty fucking stupid though. An option to skip all combat leaves players with basically nothing, and if that's what they want, they should pay a fee for the feature. I don't want my purchase to subsidize any extra production that's dedicated to removing the core feature of the game for the benefit of people who didn't want the product in the first place. People who play games ONLY for the stories need to read a fucking book, which is something that most RPS writers today seem never to have done, nor do they seem to like games.

I used to kind of like RPS. Used to have decent writing. Now every time I look, it's an illiterate teenage bloglet who got thrown some e-credentials and a weekly allowance of snack cakes (if that), like at Destructoid, not to even mention the unnameable "K."

>people will willingly lower themselves, becoming weaklings and stupid
how is that a bad thing? they're letting you the occasion to get a higher position, embrace it

...

Because in doing this, the standards are lower.
And hard work is usually beaten by nepotism.
A fair point though.

The reason Sup Forums seems to be everywhere is because Sup Forums's opinion is starting to overlap with a large group of people.

The problem isn't normies, the problem is retards. Even a Chad can understand how fighting a boss multiple times in dark souls is rewarding, but mouth breathing retards can't put 1+1 together to formulate cause and effect or problem solving skills. My mother could jump the cuphead pillar faster than that journalist.

Why play games if you don't want to play the game? If you don't like combat play games that don't have combat.

You mean the smartphone?

Cyberpunk is real. It's coming true right in front of us. Look out -- your ability to adjust will determine whether this is Heaven or Hell...let's rock!

Why do publications that hire people to write about video games care more about what kind of degree that person has rather than whether or not they actually enjoy playing video games?

the standards are always getting lower and no one care, if you thingk about 15 years + old games you don't think of the average ps2 game based on the terminator movie, but the great classic that is still loved today, it's the same thing, back then it was a group of dudes in their basement doing stuff, then it became AAA companies, today we call them crowdfunded indies

because clickbait articles are the only thing keeping these websites alive

>best girl.jpg

>inflation of pussies

Please Dobson

It's funny that Sup Forums used to bring up the "it's a free market they do what sells" argument against SJW complaints about videogames.

When in fact, the SJW movement is the propaganda tool of the capitalists. It's so transparent, too.
"Gaming is for everyone!", "more diversity" - expanding consumer base AND driving down demand for labor.
"Gamers are dead", etc - shifting the market towards consumers with lower standards.
"games aren't to be taken seriously", "criticizing games is entitlement", etc etc - attempt to destroy video games' status as an art form.
Video games are the only legitimate art form that was born not out of artistry, but out the money grubbing hands of the corporate world. All of this propaganda is meant to establish video games as a product instead of an art, and deny them cultural privileges and rights that other art forms enjoy. Why do you think it's impossible to play most games older than a decade legally, while the rest of the art world is desperately trying to preserve all of its works so that future generations can appreciate them? Because games aren't art, buy the new installment, goy.

So it's all downhill from here.

ALL OF THE DAY BRO

Having an actual button prompt appear during a boss fight that literally let's you skip to the end sound absolutely ridiculous. If people feel like a game needs a way to "skip" a boss fight, that's just because the game has a really shitty boss not because all bosses need them.

The problem with making skipping a boss as easy as pressing a button is that it removes any sense of accomplishment. It's impossible to implement this without it feeling like a "give up" button and no one's going to enjoy that.

Having a skip option may also have the unintended effect of persuading inexperienced players to give up on a challenge too quickly when they might have conquered it if they just gave it a few more tries.

For me, their issue isn't boss fights in general acting as roadblocks and they need hall passes to the rest of the game. The issue I see is most boss fights acting as challenges with not enough "solutions". You either "git gud" and beat some bullshit difficulty spike or you don't get to play anymore.

I'm not completely opposed to the idea of being able to complete a game without actually fighting said boss. Let players be able to circumvent a boss fight as long as it still offers something to give them a sense of accomplishment like finding a secret path around the boss, or perform some action in the games environment that removes it entirely!

Take a game like Metal Gear Solid 3, where you can defeat a boss with out firing a single bullet by waiting for him to literally die of old age! Rather than skipping over the experience, give them one that better fits their play style and is just as valid. This won't stop Sup Forums from having predilection for certain solutions and judge others for their choices, but it's a hell of a lot better than just skipping it.

If they want players to have their dessert without eating their dinner first then give them something their stomach can actually handle. That's a terrible analogy, but you get it.

I'll take my (You) now...

Casuals need to die

We live in an elitist classist society that cares more about pedigree and name brand then actual substance. You can be a total corporate Patrick Bateman style robot but as long as you attended the right schools and know the right people, society will open its legs for you. If you're "weird" or an autist - you'll be made into a NEET.

All attempts at trying to make video games "accessible" is nothing but propaganda aimed at robbing games of their art status. Art is exclusive, elitist and abrasive. Not because it aims to be, but because art is self serving and is only concerned with its own authenticity. If a work of art has to be inaccessible in order to be what it is, then it is a sacrifice that will be made without second thought. Because it wouldn't be art if it prioritized anything but being true to itself.

>welcoming the Outsider in is always how society broadens and blooms.

Has never been true for any society. Literally one of the hallmarks of a society moving towards collapse is unchecked immigration, and this is also true for any hobby or club.

>the PS2
ftfy

The Wii is always simultaneously a fad that was dropped by normies within two years and the enduring source of all casualization in games. Can't have it both ways.

Unironically this.

They don't play games, that's why they want games to remove all the game parts.

But lots of games have had level selects forever, after you've beaten that part. Why would you want to skip ahead in a book or movie that you haven't already read/seen before. This guys sounds like a retard.

Simple, you fight vehicles like tanks/helicopters or you have a survive or die type of scene.

I don't think they care about that at all. It doesn't seem like any of these kids have relevant degrees (Writing, Journalism, Software Design).

I am pretty sure they just hire straight from the blogging pool, going after who wants the job most and will take the least pay. Some sites just list amateur (unpaid) blogs as their main content. This usually means it's somebody who could get no other job doing this kind of thing.

Fucking professional wrestling has better journalism than video games. There used to be some quality publications before coverage got subsumed by outrage. This is largely on us, Sup Forums. Gamergate drew battle lines and now the best way to drive traffic is to keep the fight going, and both sides are having too much fun to give it up.

I wish there were a button to skip the bosses in Cuphead. I just wanted to walk around a pretty cartoon world and look at the hand drawn animations and not be challenged in any way.

Glad my big brother made me beat it myself, he would never show me what to do, he would just tell me what to do.

This broke my heart a little. So true.

Can I get a quick rundown on this image?

>Don't try to change anything, you'll make it worse!
Yeah, no.

>tfw Zelda is trying to be Souls-like when it already had superior exploration and combat.

We're unironically already doing this.

What this stupid faggot doesn't realize is that they're only one or two steps away from asking to pay $60 USD for a Let's Play.

>I want to skip boss fights
>I want to skip the fights between bosses
>Just let me skip everything but the dialog

This is how I feel about bad balance in single player games as well. When somebody says "don't use strong thing to make game hard" it saps some of the legitimacy out of the challenge. Xp share in Pokemon is a good example.

>useless piece of shit mechanic.

>Rush to Hyrule Castle
>Get Royal Guard's Sword
>Entire game is trivialized

No, it's there for a reason, even if you're too focused on instant gratification to notice.

This reminds me of that time Neogaf got pissed at Reggie because he said video games are fun.

might as well just go on youtube and watch some else play the game at this point.

>Gamergate out of nowhere

What the fuck are you talking about