What was his problem exactly?

What was his problem exactly?

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Uther didn't just nut the fuck up and purge Stratholme like he should have. None of Arthas' problems would have happened.

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For Arthas, he got tricked into losing his soul and body. For Ner'Zhul, nothing I suppose. He just wants to kill humans and the legion.

Why do lore characters keep calling the Lich King "Arthas" like it was always Arthas? Do they think he turned mad and evil on his own choice? Do they not know what happened to him when he picked up Frostmourne?

CORRUPTION

a demonic blade forged by the greatest smiths of the burning legion tainted his soul until he willingly merged his mind and body with the unholy spirit of a homicidal orc shaman

Nobody on Sup Forums right now was born when WC3 and FT came out.

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Getting his soul taken by a soul-stealing sword.

After being driven near-mad by his need for justice and vengeance against a certain dreadlord.

Really, he had his share of problems.

Arthas was a bit of a power hungry dick and Ner'zhul corrupted him really easily.

The orders to purge were Ner'zhul already fucking with his head.

>Arthas technically never dies during his journey to becoming the Lich King
>He magically turns undead

None of the people he counted on stood by him. As soon as he crossed a line, Uther and Jaina fucked off and let him shoulder the burden of responsibility by himself. And he couldn't handle it - all he had left was vengeance against Mal'ganis, and that drove him straight into the arms of the Lich King.

If either Uther or Jaina had stuck by him during Stratholme, even if they despised what he was doing, then they could have been there to tell him that running off to Northrend was the worst idea ever.

Actually, he said "You're going to help me kill an entire city, or you're fired."

>For Ner'Zhul, nothing I suppose.

Yeah, being the leader of the Horde and getting trapped while going through the Twisting Nether by Kil'Jaeden, torn apart and put together thousand times and finally cast down into Northrend encased in a chunk of ice while under the constant supervision of bickering dreadlords is no problem at all.

All Jaina said was "I can't watch you do this." Well then stay in the fucking camp, you retard.

After they were like Arthas you're nuts, you can't do this, we can't help you do it.
He goes
HAVE I LOST MY MIND...? UR FIRED...

NOW JAINA, COME KILL WITH ME

No

JAINA?????

Arthas was already corrupt and fucking awful by the Stratholme incident.

Arthas' approach to the problem was pretty cold and bullheaded. But his plan wasn't wrong.

The populace of that city really was infested with the undead plague and nobody had any means for curing that kind of thing. Fair enough to think that it was a distasteful task, but Uther shouldn't have been so quick or so passionate to oppose Arthas.

Then you quarantine the city. You don't go around mindlessly slaughtering people who haven't turned yet.

It doesn't even matter if he was "right" or not. The whole fucking city turned undead anyway.

Yeah, that was a bit... odd.

But he did lose his soul, so I guess he was as good as a zombie anyway.

Arthas became a Lich.

The king had already forbidden quarantines. The intro movie with him has a member of his council suggest just that for the spreading plague and he says something about not wanting his people to be prisoners in their own land or some such.

In real life, when the Bubonic Plague hit, people didn't actively try to purge entire cities even when like 30% of the cities or more were infected.

Arthas' response was a stupid fucking one and Uther was totally right to immediately think Arthas had lost his shit.

>Why do lore characters keep calling the Lich King "Arthas" like it was always Arthas?

A couple reasons. The first is that it sounds better to call him by a given name than call him Lich King to his face ("You're a damned monster, Arthas").

The second is that I think a lot of the characters are generally unaware of the details of exactly what happened in Northrend, regarding Arthas and Frostmourne. They don't know the Lich King was sent by the Burning Legion, they don't know it used to be Ner'zhul, they don't know that the current Lich King is some sort of amalgamation of Arthas and Ner'zhul. And his physical form is Arthas, so it's just simpler to refer to him as that. Remember that last guy to actually see Arthas before he put on the Helm of Domination fucked off to Outland and got up to a bunch of nonsense.

>The king had already forbidden quarantines.

So the king allowed purging of cities instead? Shitty writing, since he also didn't seem to care much about Gilneas in the second or third war.

>In real life, when the Bubonic Plague hit, people didn't actively try to purge entire cities even when like 30% of the cities or more were infected

Let's be honest, though. The bubonic plague didn't turn people into footsoldiers for an undead army, which was itself just the vanguard of a demonic invasion force working on the behalf of a corrupted god attempting to purge all life from the universe.

There are a couple differences here.

Gilneas dropped out of the Alliance in the Second War, and walled itself off. It was an independent kingdom alongside the likes of Lordaeron and Stormwind.

>Let's be honest, though. The bubonic plague didn't turn people into footsoldiers for an undead army,

I mean, yeah, but it also killed like everyone.

Yeah, to them he is Arthas.

Why would he care about Gilneas?

Frostmourne steals the wielder's soul

Dead people don't move.
Undead do.

Laddie, just as the blade rends flesh, so must power scar the spirit.

>The entire town was infested, Arthas had to kill everyone
Uninfected people that escaped the culling helping to burn corpses
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People turning into zombies in the mission itself is just a game mechanic with no bearing on how the culling is supposed to be seen because Blizzard writers have always been terrible at meshing gameplay and story.

Cut his heart out

Yeah but not until after he fought Illidan.

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he was not prepared

Wait, I recently played through the wc3 campaign... Are you sure he didn't die? The undead campaign starts with him near a grave and undead.

Honestly Arthas was one of the best written villains ever in WC3 his slow descent from prince trying to save his people no matter what it takes to outright evil was great, modern blizzard could never pull off something like that

The human campaign ends with him killing his father, and then the undead campaigns starts with him being seemingly magically summoned.

His death is never really clear, is it?

He was a lich not outright dead, his soul was taken by frostmourne

>scene where he is ascending the spire to the frozen throne
>mfw

Why the fuck did they make it a teleporter in the ICC raid what the fuck were you thinking Blizzard

>The runeblade that you carry was forged by the Lich King and empowered to steal souls. Yours was the first one it claimed.
His soul was gone by the time the undead campaign starts, by that point he's fully considered a lich which is technically undead

To be fair, it is arthus.
Yes, both are in there, butr arthus is the main at this point. In his book, he literally 'killed' nurzhul inside of himself and became the sole voice, but the damage was already done. So for all intent and purpose, the main we meet is arthus. All that was left of arthus's good side was cast aside with his old heart and made that ghost child. But the arthus we met in WC3 is the arthus we fought.
The combo of the 2 started in the final CG scene of TFT and was settled before we got to northrend (its what he was doing incased in ice in the CG and for all those years. Building his army and fighting nurzhul.)

I think legion retconned the book saying nerzhul was still mucking about inside the helm or some shit. not sure though friend who still plays mentioned it to me in passing

>it is arthus

It's not Ner'zhul or Arthas. It's the Lich King.

>After the merger, the Lich King sat dormant for several years while storms raged across Northrend and his minions constructed Icecrown Citadel around the Frozen Throne. While the Lich King dreamt, the various personas in his mind - the death knight Arthas Menethil, the orc shaman Ner'zhul, and Matthias Lehner, the personification of the remnants of Arthas's humanity - fought for influence and control over the entity. It is noticeable that if arranged accordingly, Matthias Lehner is an anagram of Arthas Menethil.

>Matthias tried to reason with Arthas, but Arthas killed him by running him through with Frostmourne. Ner'zhul was delighted by this, declaring that he and Arthas were now free to merge into a single glorious being. Arthas rejected this offer, stating that only he was worthy of the power of the Lich King, no one would tell him what to do again. He impaled the stunned Ner'zhul with Frostmourne, becoming the dominant personality of the Lich King and ending the dream

Yup. Arthas became the Lich King by destroying what remained of his humanity.

Arthus is still arthus. Thats the point.
The lich king is nothing more than the title and the powers. The body was arthus's and the mind is as well.

the fucked the charecter up badly after warcraft 3. its like the writers did not know who the fuck the lich king was suppose to be anymore.

>Arthus is still arthus

>literally destroy the one thing that allowed you to retain even a semblance of a connection to your past life
>"He's still the same person, guys!"
That's not how it works. He destroyed who he was and became the Lich King. He could never take off the helm and just be Arthas ever again. In the same way that picking up Frostmourne destroyed Arthas the paladin, putting on the helm destroyed Arthas the man.

>The lich king is nothing more than the title and the powers
Do you honestly think Bolvar Fordragon is the same person he was before he put on the Helm of Domination? Because I seriously doubt that.

having your soul taken is enough to make you a Walking corpse i guess.

>and Matthias Lehner, the personification of the remnants of Arthas's humanity - fought for influence and control over the entity. It is noticeable that if arranged accordingly, Matthias Lehner is an anagram of Arthas Menethi
It's like pottery

Is Arthas even a lich

He couldnt be old paladin arthus after he became a death knight. Didnt make him not arthus/
Sylvanis cant go back to being a high elf ranger. Doesnt make her not sylvanis.
A dude who murders a guy cant go back to being a non murderer. Still that same guy.

Who we are is defined by our choices. No, he cant go back to being old arthus, but thats because his choices made him who he is. instead of asking "do you think he could take the helmet off and go back to being old arthus", ask instead of he WANTS to take it off. He doesnt.

The original lich king was just nerzhul. A single mind with a ton of power that came from the armor, but his soul was trapped inside it.
Arthus became a death knight for the lich king, and was still arthus.
Arthus's body became the vessle for nerzhul and his lich powers, and they spoke as one, but inside it was a battle. The lich king is now a 3 man soul, but still a single body.
When arthus KILLED what was left of his humanity AND the mind of the former shaman (the original lich king, again, a title), he simply became the second lich king.
When bolvar took on the helmet, he didnt have to fight arthus or nerzhul, he simply had the powers that the lich king had from the armor. He isnt some twisted fuck with 6 people screaming in his head, hes simply the next king.

I don't think Arthas is considered a Lich, since looking at other Liches the process of becoming one is drastically different.

It's still hard for me to decide if Arthas is even undead. I know that in Warcraft 3 he is considered it for the purposes of Holy Light and whatnot, but he doesn't ever technically "die". And then there's that whole bit with him removing his heart, which seemingly no living entity could do.

>He couldnt be old paladin arthus after he became a death knight
His specific skill set has nothing to do with his identity. He left behind his hammer, took up Frostmourne, and became a servant of the Lich King - but the powers he wields are irrelevant. The significant aspect was that he discarded an important part of himself in order to gain power. It's one of the steps to leaving Arthas behind and becoming the Lich King. It's even what Ner'zhul originally intended ("Now, we are one").

>instead of asking "do you think he could take the helmet off and go back to being old arthus"
I'm not asking that, because I know the answer. He can't, because that Arthas is gone. He's the Lich King. The Lich King isn't just some pasty fucker sitting on a block of ice.

Bolvar Fordragon was a hero of the Alliance. He led the assault on the Wrathgate. Now he's threatening to unleash the Scourge on Azeroth if the Legion isn't defeated. And you think it's the same exact guy, with the exact same motivations? Exactly nothing about him has changed?

Why the fuck would you want to

It's probably something to do with Frostmourne fucking with his soul.

>magically

Magic you say? In Warcraft?

What the fuck are you even talking about idiot

>The entire town was infested, Arthas had to kill everyone

who are you quoting?

Wowpedia is a good source for wow lore

Old god manipulation

The Lich Kings personality make up is one of Blizzard's least consistent plot point, up there with how demons resurrect.

Isn't this countered by the Frost DK artifact campaign?

>Isn't this countered by the Frost DK artifact campaign?

Yeah. Ner'zhul is still somewhere in there. You have to fight him.