A solid portion of Sup Forums actively defends loot boxes

>A solid portion of Sup Forums actively defends loot boxes.

Kill me, Pete. I'm absolutely 100% ready to die now.

blame normalfags for eating up any piece of shit thats given to them

I don't like them, but I don't see why this bothers you so much. What is so imperative about loot boxes that you made a thread about this? I'm not ignorant of the jewery behind them, but I don't see any reason anyone should care this much.

Where are you, Pete? You promised

Kill me, Pete

Kill me, Pete.

Most AAA games now have loot boxes. That includes Forza, Assassin's Creed, Call of Duty, Shadow of War, NBA 2K, Battlefront 2, Battlefield 1, Overwatch, etc. etc. etc.

If its purely cosmetics, i dont care.

That didn't address his question.

Why the fuck do you care? If they have zero effect on gameplay why the fuck does it matter?

>all games must now be open-world, multiplayer and full of loot boxes
It wasn't meant to be like this!

Why the fuck do I care? Do you even play games? Most of those examples aren't cosmetic. Not in the slightest. Literally P2W. They make games feel cheap. Gross. Like it's all about making you pay more. Bitch, I just spent eighty bucks. Fuck you. Give me the full experience, cosmetics and all.

loot boxes are fine in F2P games, but only if they don't imbalance the multiplayer

loot boxes in all other cases are cancer

If it's just a thing you earn with in-game currency its fine with me. I'm not okay with it when its valve style or recently shit like Shadow of War.

The problem is it doesn't stop. Shit's getting way worse. People are gonna drop thousands playing Shadow of War. Then what? Guess. Every major singleplayer game's gonna be prompting you to buy virtual currency. Watch.

Unlocking things > rng loot box cancer
Its game design you retard

yeah i was just being as specific as possible

fpbp

Don't forget kids, who will eat literal shit just because it's the new thing, and you sure don't want to be known as the person that plays old stuff.

Pete you lazy fuck I've been waiting for years.

OLD person spotted

I'm not sure he's even real at this point.

Just don't buy them. Cosmetics add absolutely nothing to the game other than, well, cosmetics and maybe social status.
You can't blame a company for taking money from retards. If it's not lootboxes, it'd be something like mobage. If not that, then whatever pointless moneysink. You can't fix stupid user, only capitalize on it.

Listen, retard.

Most of those examples aren't cosmetic. Shit's literally designed to make you drop cash. They make the gameplay gay as fuck so you wanna pay for a better experience. Never mind the fact you paid serious cash just to buy the fucking game. I want you to seriously consider suicide tonight. 100%. For all of us. You're wasting oxygen.

If you're playing P2W games in the first place, then why don't you commit suicide?

>I want you to seriously consider suicide tonight. 100%. For all of us. You're wasting oxygen.

Is this pasta or just autism?

Man I sure do love spending money in a game I already paid full price for so I can have a CHANCE to get something new! Unlocking cosmetics through challenges and achievements? That's too gamey for me! I want that sweet instant gratification so I don't have to actually play lol.

No one's defending them though
Obviously P2W versions are unforgivable

It's all unforgivable. Stop bending over for cock. You sound like you'd suck dick for loot boxes.

Kill me, Pete.

>Sup Forums defends loots boxes
>Sup Forums hates piracy
>Sup Forums shits on emulation
>Sup Forums no longer makes OC and just reposts common memes from elsewhere 'ironically'

Kill me, Pete

I don't give a shit because it doesn't affect me

Kill me, Pete

what does it fucking matter if there's some clothes or shit there that do nothing

kill me pete

>actively defends
It was more like "doesn't mind"

because it's unregulated gambling

lootboxes are only okay when they are both
>cosmetics only
>making all dlc free

I mean, I don't buy them myself, but if they are only cosmetic, why should I give a fuck?

I don't play P2W games so I don't care. If people want to subsidize my freeloading ass by buying those crates I couldn't care any less.

and?

P2W Crates: Play another game
Cosmetic Crates: Don't buy them if you don't like them, stop complaning.

(((Actively Defends)))

unregulated gambling on stupid clothes or shit, who cares?

>Sup Forums is posting twitter screencaps of trannies.
>posting links to polygon, kotaku and twitter.
>always reach bump limit
>shitty people who can't even play games have enough influence to make a good game shit.
>people want instant gratification in everything instead of working for it.
fucking kill me, pete, i dont want to live on this earth anymore

Pete's probably dead by now.

They're often not only cosmetic.
The presence of loot boxes, and micro-transactions in general, is often at the expense of standard in-game rewards.
The randomness means a significant portion of what's spent on lootboxes is waste.
Lootboxes only exist to exploit people's emotional response to gambling and offer nothing good in return.

Terminate my existence, Piotr.

Why aren't cosmetics considered part of the game? This tired cliche has been trotted out for fucking YEARS at this point. It's almost as bad as 'Just don't buy it'. It's duckspeak.
Fashion Souls is a thing. Why are people okay with their character looking goofy as fuck without paying money?


Now the microtransactions actually do directly affect gameplay, and now we're surprised! Oh golly how could this happen?! Of course it would be pushed further. Everytime some dullard said 'It's just cosmetic so I don't care', that was an invitation to publishers to put game changing elements into those lootboxes so then you WOULD care.

...

because they don't affect the gameplay

Kill me, Pete

Games with loot boxes and microtransactions will inevitably become designed around them later in their life. You have to stop the cancer before it metastasizes.

Loot boxes are basically contempt for the player base from the devs, a complete slap to the face of the intelligence and judgement of the player.

A solid portion of Sup Forums acts like 12 year old CoD kiddies.
I fucked your mom btw

On the one hand it's fine if the loot boxes are 100% cosmetic.
On the other this is just another thing in a long line of bad things that tries to catch that extra buck.

They aren't worth complaining about.

It's extra cosmetic stuff. It adds nothing to the games, you only want it because it's there and you're only mad because it isn't free.

"hey lets lock content behind this arbitrary wall that in most cases you can bypass by paying more money, instead of doing it the way we used to where you unlocked it by working a set of goals that didn't require a bullshit meta"

"wait why are some people pissed at this new system?"

This
If there's ever reason to believe that a loot box system takes away from the gameplay at all, then you'll see me complaining
Otherwise they're inconsequential and something that people might want to spend their money on.
Companies like to make money. Shocking stuff!

>content

What's way worse is companies only making games that are safe as fuck, like card games and MOBAs
Fuck Valve seriously

What the fuck does Assassin's Creed have lootboxes for? That's a singleplayer game.

>in-game rewards are randomized loot boxes of random junk
I don't even know how to respond to this.

Lootboxes and microtransactions haven't been just cosmetics for a while now champ. Forza 7 and Destiny 2 are big current releases that demonstrate that.

Never gave a shit about skins when they were free/something you made yourself
Never gave a shit when some skins were free and some you gave dollars for
I don't see a reason to start giving a shit now

If a company wants to charge 2000000000000 dollars for someone to play dressup with their unique pretty princess snowflake character then more power to them

and nobody is defending those

It is, its just that the content of today is delivered in a way that allows them to be incredibly lazy and still generate more revenue.

The content of loot boxes should be directly accessible in some form, tell me one advantage to randomized crap as opposed to direct access through points, especially if they are purchasable.

Aren't the Destiny 2 ones all cosmetic?

Defending 'it's only cosmetics' is defacto defending actual content in lootboxes. Because why wouldn't they then start putting gameplay elements in lootboxes?

It's skirting the problem. Like for fucks sake it was obvious it was never going to stay just cosmetic.

>It's extra cosmetic stuff. It adds nothing to the games, you only want it because it's there and you're only mad because it isn't free.

That's the majority of it. If you won't pay for it but still want it badly then you're just as much a piece of cancer as those that do. You're that kid jacking off to the streamers ebin dildo knife he just unboxed.

no, that's not how it works lmao

I used to hate microtransactions until I played a game based around it and it became one of my favorite games of all time. For 3 to 10, maybe 20 bucks on really content heavy months, I get some of the best content in the genre, a constantly updated game, and I get to support a company I actually like. Games as a service sounds stupid until you play one that's done right. Games cost money, alot of it. As the cost to develop rises companies wont be able to float on the coast of one success anymore, especially if they lack a publisher. If I dont like mircrotansactions in a game I don't buy them. I've been playing DOTA 2 for 3 years and Overwatch for a few months and have never bought a lootbox. I can just buy the shit that I want. If it means I don't have to buy a new game every 20 seconds Im down for it. People hate endless sequels but when companies try to sustain themselves its a problem. It just sounds like people don't want to pay for things, which is fine, just don't blame it on microtransactions.

what game

Microtransactions can work if major content updates are free and regular, and if the game is either free or severely discounted.

Thats the 'service' in games as a service'. Dropping lootboxes while also charging for expansions is double dipping.

As well, microtransactions should be 1-1 transactions. You see the thing? You buy the thing. Putting stuff in a lootbox that is 90% useless trash is cancer.

yes. any and all mods can EASILY be obtained through playing the game.
not only do the boxes not affect your play, but you can earn unlimited just earning exp past max level i personally have gotten at least 100 without spending a dime

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fpbp
This thread shouldn't have gone much farther. Not even worth a bump.

wew no lad, pay 2 not grind is still pay 2 win

>it's not content because I say so

>Dropping lootboxes while also charging for expansions is double dipping.

Nope. Expansions = tangible content, loot boxes = superfluous content.

You can buy the expansion that will give you hours and hours of additional gameplay without having to buy a lootbox that will give you a cosmetic hat. They are not mutually exclusive from any point of view.

>boxes don’t change gameplay at all, and can easily be earned without paying
>”pay2grind”
>”pay2win”
how dense r u

Weapons and oufits.
But it's okay! It's only minor things! Never mind that your single player game has content behind an RNG paywall! They just need to make money off their $60 AAA game somehow.

I don't know what "mods" mean in this instance but it sure sounds like it affects your character's abilities

>Sup Forums hates piracy
this thing will always boggles my mind about this place.
not even Sup Forumsmblr is this bad.

>jewery

is this just a catch-all term for smart business practices? blame the retards who make it profitable.

making money is jewish, everything should be free
atleast that's the mindset here

Sup Forums doesn't actually hate piracy. Some of us just pretend to in order to funpost.

can someone post the cats meme image?
i lost it

The smartest business practices are usually evil. See: slavery.

pretty much this, I do the same

they’re minor effects to armor or guns, but they arent ANY that are exclusive to lootboxes
in fact, there are a ton of easy ways to obtain them for free
getting emotes from lootboxes is extremely rare, and so ive only gotten barely any, and its bullshit. I also fucking hate that dlc will still be 20 a pop, despite bungo having so many whales to finance them postlaunch

tumblr has shoplifting groups to be fair

Well if they enhance performance that's pay to win. It's not like that retroactively makes the entire game shit, Warframe is a great game but you can also pay to skip the grind there. It would just be improved by not having that.

This.
A video game is more than gameplay. Every asset contributes to the overall experience. Most of the greatest games of all time have a rich atmosphere that draw in all sorts of players. And if that weren't true in the least, then you wouldn't have fags on this board jerking themselves off over game graphics.
Something as simple as cosmetic changes can keep something feeling fresh or provide more interactivity and customization.

No other board gives a shit about piracy, but not Sup Forums, this place is full of corporate fanboys who are directly responsible for the terrible quality of discussion, to them every thread is just a reason to support their company and shit on the others.

Everything affects gameplay

The small consolation is that at least Warframe is free, along with its updates.

Not that its a great system even with that mind. Grinding some frames is absolute cancer.

Just fucking end me, Peter-boy

>360 era
>New halo 3 Maps costs

>Bone era
>New halo 5 Maps are Free because of lootboxes

I prefer the latter

Just wait, user, eventually every game will be P2W.

Kill me, Pete