Should it go Free 2 Play?

Should it go Free 2 Play?

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I don't think any game should go F2P, they'd be better off dead.

isn't the free trial unlimited already?

You can only get to level 35. Any higher requires a subscription.

well that's more MMO than i ever want to play. close enough for me

>asking if one of the only surviving successful MMOs should follow the business plan of literally every failed MMO in existence
No, it should not go free-to-play.

Yoshiba was interviewed and he said it was a possibility.

>That being said, if 80% or 90% of our players are demanding we go free-to-play, then we might need to look at shifting our business model. But we would also need to change our game design to match that business model. It all depends on what the game design should be based on what our players' needs are.

Free to play is the future actually. Or at least buy to play. Subscriptions are a thing of the past. People have more to worry about than sequential payments.

Clash of Clans, a free to play game, makes more money annually than World of Warcraft. Let that sink in.

Fuck no F2P MMOs always end in pay to win cancer

You can't really compare an MMO to phone/facebook games

They make a killing as it is off mogstation on top of subs. If they get desperate they will just implement Viera or something to sell thousands of Phantasias. The game definitely makes a lot of money seeing as they actually managed to turn a profit even after how disastrous 1.0 was.

>log in to check your garrison/do your roulettes
>log out
looks like a facebook game to me

80-90% of their players won't ask for that though. Anyone that's ever played an MMO know's how shit f2p is.

and just like clash royale, it's impossible to get to the higher ranks without spending tons of money

But how is that any different from a subscription-based MMO's free trial?

Only poor neets like yourself.

So was samurai ever top dog? just getting back into the game and judging by the new pre lim notes DRG is going to mop the floor with samurai? or do they do that already?

I've got a job and a house though. Why project?

try almost none of them except maybe that 11 year old on console that doesn't know any better

Well i won't be playing it any more if it does.

Cutting the grass for your parents isn't a job, pal.

it' way, way more money that you have to spend and it's all randomized.

Literally retarded.

And yet even with that, it's STILL making more money than the highest grossing subscription-based MMORPG.

Literally poor.

No, that's an awful idea.
We'd go from a steady stream of high quality meaningful content, patches, and bug fixes to microtransaction bullshit and skins.
Even though there's already quite a lot of braindead morons playing, the paywall probably keeps out even worse individuals.

That's not an argument when with free to play environments you're far more likely to spend money on them.

This isn't an argument.

>They make a killing as it is off mogstation on top of subs

We certainly don't see this 'killing' shown as actual development improvements. This is going to be the cheapest content patch yet.

And this is why FF14 should stay subscription based.

Thanks for coming everyone!

Free to play is cancer. FFXIV can get by just as it is. If they remove the subscription fee, or at least make it optional, they should still keep it buy to play. Seems like shooting yourself in the foot for no good reason to do that from a business standpoint though. Why would they ever want less money for no measurable benefit? Most people who want to play the game already own it or have at least played the free trial. If they were inclined to buy it, they would have.

This game has nothing but fanatics. Enjoy your sinking ship, fags.

Yes, but how is that helping you, the consumer, in any way?

No but I do wish XI dropped the sub already since a skeleton crew is maintaining the game since RoV ended.

You're lucky the servers are still online at this point

Welcome to every Final Fantasy game/thread ever.

New 24 man raid.
New primal.
Super savage.
New housing area.
New PVP
New story.

Just a few things off the top of my head.
There's been far worse patches. This actually seems like one of the best.

no

SAM still does the most personal damage but the difference is negligible compared to raid utility.

Yes so it gets infested by BRs and pinoys and just die already

Yeah, funny how I've heard this since FF10.
Still waiting for that ship to sink...

I really wanted to try dark knight on this before buying the game, but that class isn't available on the trial version, is that getting changed any time soon?

And how long have you been out of the loop?

Super savage isn't coming out in 4.1.
Neither is new PvP.

So we're left with new 24 man raid, new primal, new housing, and new story. And a single dungeon, which went down from 2, which went down from 3 in ARR.

And I know, nobody likes dungeons. But I think I'll take them over literally nothing. Perhaps they used all that extra dev time, to make AI squad mates to run 5 pre-50 dungeons that you've already done by the time you unlock squadrons, anyway.

This game even being up and running in 2017 is a fucking mystery

>game at all time peak
>sales grossing more in 6 months this year than last fiscal year

If you're asking if it should so as to continue to survive, it's completely unneeded. If you're asking because F2P is a better model, that's a debate I don't want to have because I would hate for you to run out of energy part way through and need us to stop part way.

And before people start pulling out shit again and again about how things are 'dying', seriously, spend 5 minutes reading IR reports. Here: hd.square-enix.com/eng/ir/irnews/2017/index.html The game has been performing at or above expectations for years and turning profit every fiscal year.

It's coming 2 weeks after the patch.

since vg is being vg

Any monk mains around?
Is it worth it refreshing demolish every second rotation? Or should I refresh it on the 3rd after it already fell off?

Not really. FFXI's playerbase is dead, the game itself is a shell of its former self, and private servers exist.

do you think most people take a monk or dragoon over samurai in your opinion?

I just hope they use that money to make Final Fantasy 16 a great game

FFXI isn't even free 2 play yet

why?

Probably not due to the way the game works they would have to completely redo the entire quest line since it takes place in Ishgard which you don't have access to until level 50 and you've cleared all the base games story.
Or they would have to allow entrance to Ishgard freely which would mess with the story.

You know, I thought that the community couldn't possibly get any worse, on average, in ezmode content than it already was. But YoshiP proved me wrong by releasing leveling/story skip potions.

Good fucking God.

i can't believe there are people that are so fucking poor they can't even afford 12 bucks a month. when daddy cuts your ass off you're gonna be in a world of shit.

i'm not defending it, but you can only buy one leveling potion per account, for a job of your choice and it only takes you to 60. it's also fucking expensive. people can't spam these things thank fuck. yoshi-p should never have done any of this shit

How does skipping monotonous early game story and level grind make the game worse?

Did you enjoy repeatedly pressing the same 3 buttons until 50 or something?

And from the way you word it, you haven't even played since the implemented the skip potions, so how would you know anything about the difficulty of the content?

It's not so much that it costs 12 bucks a month, it's that you pay 12 bucks a month and it's got the same level of cash store as a f2p game anyway.

And community made poll had about 90% of those wuo answered say no to f2p, it should remain a subscription

I should also add that YoshiP literally does not know how to say "no" to any question

I spend more than that on coffee everyday.
That's why I can't take people seriously when they complain about $12 a month.

People even spend $69 on new games, which usually last between 6-12 hours. How is that worth the money? Poor bastards.

It's becoming increasingly obvious that the problem is not with the quantity of the content they're adding per patch but with the general gameplay loop at the endgame. There's little to none sustainable content that can keep people's attention and be rewarding. Character progression for the majority of levelcapped characters boils down to running five expert dungeons a week. All the small things like cat deliveries or beast tribes or dice roll machine treasure hunt or golden shower saucer make it unfocused instead of adding diversions because they're just grinds that exist for the sake of having a grind with nothing to contribute to character progression. Neither are all those things challenging - the game riding hard on LFD / tourist audience fails to provide challenge as well.

So majority of content they add isn't challenging, isn't rewarding, and doesn't last. And that's the reason it feels like there's nothing to do once you're done watching anime about catgirls.

>How does skipping monotonous early game story and level grind make the game worse?

It doesn't make the 'game' worse. It somehow made the players worse. Like, noticeably worse. For some reason every retard who used a skip potion may as well be working for the enemy.

Guaranteed you get some faggot who is literally, literally standing around doing nothing for large periods of time, AS A DPS/TANK, they're a potion user. Every time. This is like some new level of ineptitude. I can understand people not being 100% efficient, but doing less DPS than autoattack should be haram.

>Guaranteed you get some faggot who is literally, literally standing around doing nothing for large periods of time, AS A DPS/TANK, they're a potion user.

lol no that has happened in droves before level skip too
People just blamed other things instead of admitting the playerbase of this game is too far gone.
>See that guy being shit? He botted
>See that guy being shit? He's a POTD player
>See that guy being shit? He leveled in FATEs

I can't agree more. The shallowness of the content, the speed of the ilvl treadmill, and progress continually being timegated and or a point grind, has gotten old. With queue times being what they are, on top of patch content looking to be less and less compared to even HW. Things don't look good.

Then again the MMO genre in it's entirety needs to be overhauled desperately.

yeah i agree, and once you're bored enough you start to level everything to 70. then you're really out of things to do. buying the most expensive plot in shirogane on tuesday has been my endgame for weeks now. yeah, i'm that bored

xi is/was successful and is still running today on subs.

There's know way you can even know that unless they have a sprout next to their name, which I've almost never seen at max level.

The game has always had shit players and always will, was the same in ARR and it was the same in HW. Now you just have something to point and and say that is the reason.

Every MMO has them. 90% of people that play video games are retarded. Just look at people saying things like Cuphead is hard.

Also the only people I've ever known to use skip potions are existing players with max level jobs wanting to get another to 60 fast. I've never known a new player to use one, and i wouldn't blame them if they did desu, the story is boring as fuck pre HW. There's nothing even to learn pre 60, a monkey could learn a rotation at that level.

I have no trouble at all finding competent players for our raid group.

what's the point? It's already full of retards as it stands

I've actually been playing the game so I know a bit more about what these potion users act like.

It's remarkably worse than even PotD did.

I stopped grinding tombstones weeks ago because i had everything from raiding. Now all i do is log on and raid with my friends, maybe help some newer people to the FC with some primals.

I'm happy with it, I'm not looking for a game where I have to play 6 hours a day. I enjoy the company of the people i play with in voice on discord, and hang out with them 3-4 times a week.

And then when a content patch hits, i play a little more consistently again until i've done everything, then i go back to logging in 3-4 times a week to raid.

Why is everyone always looking for a second life or job with these games? Is your life really that empty?

No it's not, you just think it is. Face facts, shitters will never disappear. Just deal with it.

I have a strong suspicion you're one of them, the annoying cunts that bitch and moan and then do under 2k dps.

>get a life XD
Normies ruin everything.

They won't disappear, of course not. They're just more numerous now.

And I have a feeling you're one of them.

You should try it

It's good for your health

When the only good thing you can say about a game, is that you like playing with friends, chances are you're playing a shit game my man. And honestly, it sounds like you're in a rut, talking about keeping a schedule to keep.

no it's doing well enough

It's just a generic wow-clone. It's better off staying P2P as that's what Wow-fans expect.

They should get rid of the cash shop though, that's just greed.

I don't have a schedule, we try to raid a few times a week but no set times or days. We usually decide on the night of the previous raid when to go next.

And I never said the only thing I like about the game is that i play with friends, that just enhances it, same with any other MULTIPLAYER game.

It's just cosmetic items for people that enjoy playing barbie dress up games. It doesn't affect the game at all.

You still haven't said anything you actually like about the game itself. I understand; it's not easy, because it's not good.

Isn't dress up part of the game? Or would you be a fan of making every class have the same appearance for the whole game and take the time used to develop different sets of armor/clothing to improving the playable content?

I'd certainly be up for that. Just have the AF gear be what you have to wear all the time.

It's a game you've paid money for, an then extra for expansion, and a monthly fee.

It's jewish greed, and arguments like that enable it.

The whole point of Wow-clone MMOs is to be a content themepark. Why the fuck would you lock the cosmetic side of that behind a cash shop for a game people are already paying through the nose for?

nah, it's still good enough that i'm willing to pay for it and this is the only MMO i've played in the 20 years i've been playing video games that i think is worth paying money for

Is this seriously going back to the Alex meta? Dammit Yoshi what the fuck are you doing?

Game simply doesn't have enough content for sub of f2p.

Grind battle classes, grind craft/gathering classes. That's it. Raids are easy, gear is handed out like candy, achievements are grind mile stones like Kill 50000000 mobs of this type. Even the glamour system is fail since they won't include a database like wow's transmog system.

Let's be realistic, the game lives because of the FF paint. Sub or free it wouldn't survive if it didn't have a Final Fantasy label slapped on it.

This shit was successful after the revival. Now the previous FF MMO should be F2P if it isn't already.

I mostly enjoy endgame raiding and this game has tons of it. Most classes all feel pretty nice to play and are very different in playstyle.

The content updates come regularly and i enjoy the story, especially since HW onward. Also as I said, the game doesn't require you to play 6 hours a day grinding your dick off to get somewhere, you just have to be a decent player.

>endgame has tons of raiding
u wot
It has 2 bosses that put up any sort of a serious fight.

>has tons of it
Yea dude neo exdeath, literally 1 fight that you do every week for 8 months, awesome.

Not saying i don't glamour, i just wouldn't spend money on it

I would say about 5%, probably less of all cosmetics are on the mogstation, and most of them are Holiday themed stuff and looks shitty. All of the good stuff is ingame.

I've never spent any money buying stuff off their store, nor felt the need to.

No. I'd rather keep filthy BR's and Russians out of my game, thanks.

>I mostly enjoy endgame raiding and this game has tons of it

Hahaha!

>Most classes all feel pretty nice to play and are very different in playstyle.

HAHAHAHAHA!

PLEASE
STOP

>you just have to be a decent player.

HAHAHA
YOU CAN
LITERALLY
DO AUTO ATTACK DAMAGE
AND DO 99.99% OF THE GAME
HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA

>8 months

More like 2 and a half.

ruok?

>DO AUTO ATTACK DAMAGE
>AND DO 99.99% OF THE GAME

No. You can't literally do that.

I'm not defending him or anything but for some people from certain countries (Venezuela, for example) $12 is a lot, given they make something like $20 and dropping at current exchange rates.

Why are items on the mog station so fucking expensive?

no, 3 1/2 month per content patch, and now they are pushing actual challenging content back weeks into later patches, so add more time

3 1/2 for raid
3 1/2 for catch up, until raid comes back
7 months, now add excess month for them to be lazy

fuck your 2 1/2 retard