Hi i'm the apex of the pokemon franchise!

hi i'm the apex of the pokemon franchise!

it was all downhill after me!

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I never played this one, why does everyone suck its dick so much?
I really disliked playing Diamond and replaying the region didn't appeal to me

Just give up OP, you'll never go back to the old days.

That's the opposite of the truth, it was the dlc addition to the worst games in the franchise and preceded the three best games in the franchise (HGSS, BW, BW2.)

Anyone who thinks it's the best is blinded by nostalgia or has never played any other jrpg before.

That's because DP are objectively shit.

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B/W/2 where better. But only by some.

No idea what the fuck is going on with the full 3D entries. I think they overstuffed it with high poly models and there's not enough room for...you know, an endgame.

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DP are terrible, but Pl did a lot to fix all the bullshit.

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Post your opinions on each generation Sup Forums

Gen I:
About as vanilla as it gets but it gets the core system of pokemon up and running. It's a shame I hate Kanto though.

Gen II:
I really liked all the gen II pokemon and the game was really fun with comfy music. The level steep is definitely present at the E4 unless you come completely prepared but then where's the fun in that.

Gen III:
Nostalgic to me since sapphire was the first pokemon game I played. Decent amount of cool pokemon and the first game where I felt all three starters were likeable.

Gen IV:
Haven't played these games since release but apart from having slow battles and a very HM orientated game (thanks for bidoof though)

Gen V:
Gen V is when I believe the franchise actually peaked at B2W2, the story was there but wasn't intrusive, the region was open and seasons made it feel alive. A lot of cool pokemon like pic related and a good post game. Heaps of pokemon variety too.

Gen VI:
I hated XY with a passion until I recently replayed them. I actually enjoy them even though I still think 2D>3D but the lack of pokemon (and ones I actually liked, also fairies were a mistake) was obvious but was made up for with the variety of pokemon. ORAS fuels me with rage to this day since it felt like it was thrown together, only redeemable part was the post-game legendaries, episode etc

Gen VII:
It was enjoyable but the linear region and forced story made the game feel like a corridor spin-off of pokemon games. Removing HMs was a good decision but there were too many rides, they should have stuck with a flying ride, surfing ride and a strength/rock smash ride. Kanto pandering was pretty strong too.

I quit Diamond after like 4 badges. I never gave this one a look because I assumed it was just as boring

People will suck the dick of any pokemon game it just need to get older first
Soon people will suck x/y
After that people will start fanboying over sun/moon
etc

Whoops wrong pic haha
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>worst remix in the game
you aren't helping your case

>Soon people will suck x/y
x/y is the only game not to get a 3rd version.
It's going to be seen as the weird kid who tried too hard to be like his brother and was found dead in his room due to auto erotic asphyxiation.

I thought about getting a used copy of this since I've never played it, but I think I might wait for the inevitable remake of D/P. I just hope it wont turn out as shitty as ORAS.

Sun/Moon > HG/SS > Emerald > B2/W2 > OR/AS > B/W > Platinum > X/Y > FR/LG

DP are some of the worst games in the series IMO but Platnium is my favorite.

I unironically agree with this.
Didn't the gen 2 remakes come out after this though? They were good.

Why didn't they do this? Every time there's a third version it usually fixes a lot of the issues present in the original version. Even the anime has a Z version, so why the fuck would they skip that instead of improving upon X/Y before moving on to new content/remakes?

1: it's shit but it was the first one so it's ok
2: day/night cycle was comfy but the level scaling was complete shit
3: water routes lmao
4: slow boring and getting around the region is really fucking annoying with all the hms and random ass story gated events
5 was meh but seasons were comfy
6 was just shit mega evo lmao fairy type lmao
7: 3 hours long tutorial lmao no exploration lmao linear routes and small as fuck areas lmao

Thinking anything is worse than Johto's gym leader remix is shit taste, they got it right in HG/SS then fucked it up in B2W2.

Gen 1:
Pretty good, nice designs all around. A bit overrated
Gen 2:
An even better version of Gen 1. Love the sprites. Not a fan of most Johto mons but they can be great.
Gen 3:
Emerald was nice. I don't like most of the designs. Worst enemy team.
Gen 4:
Where I started the series. Very nostalgic but upon replaying them multiple times, this is definitely the slowest region. Some of the new evolutions were good and get more shit than they deserve. Probably where pokemon jumped the shark with the gods. Improved G/S even more.
Gen 5:
Very nice games. I like how only gen 5 pokemon where available in b/w. Designs range from good to awful. Audino was a great grinding system. Best facilities.
Gen 6:
The start of the decline for me. Meh designs, meh enemy team, horrible rivals. Mega evolutions were cool at first but were wasted on pokemon that didn't deserve them. Some of them ruined some pokemon forever, Audino and Steelix will stay shit forever because their "buff" means that they won't get new evolution or good stat changes.
Gen 7:
Wanted to get but I just kind of skipped S/M, had a feeling they were going to release upgraded versions. Most designs were underwhelming. Nice story though. I like where they are going with Ultra Beasts.

>buy diamond or pearl
>fuck you, you should have bought platinum instead
Why do they do this?

>B/W
>shittiest mon designs next to S/M
>massive power creep

Yeah, no. Even D/P as lackluster as it was is better than that Gen.

Thanks for beta testing
I'd release incomplete games then the complete versions later too if I was guaranteed to always succeed.

>ORAS fuels me with rage to this day since it felt like it was thrown together, only redeemable part was the post-game legendaries, episode etc

DexNav is fucking awesome. I have to ask WHY did they not bring that mechanic to S/M? It's bullshit they brought something as lame and boring as Amie to the 7th gen but not this. Bet it ain't going to appear in the Ultra games too.

had the cutest boys too

GEN I:
Broken and outdated but in its time it was a gamechanger for handhelds in a time of shitty ports and no replay value

GEN 2:
Builds on gen I. Illusion of freedom is very strong, a lot of content for a game in its time.

GEN 3:
Comfy region, interesting and coherent plot for the first time in pokemon history. Interesting if loose lore.
This is notable for being the beginning of when you can transfer pokemon through the ages. I still have a few pokemon that are 11-12 years old. Pic related.

GEN 4:
The generation that fixed the physical special split. Sinnoh was comfy as shit and had great music. Games were a bit sluggish. Did awesome things with the GBA slot in the DSLite allowing transfer of pokemon.

GEN 5:
I consider the peak of the series. Animated sprites had a lot of character sometimes, LOADS of endgame content and the closest thing pokemon games have ever had to a good plot thread between BW/BW2. Sound design was 9/10 and some of the locales looked amazing for the shitty DS hardware. TMs are now infinite use.

GEN 6:
Plot and characters were retarded. 3D models are hit and miss. Region is barren but looks and feels great, and is super varied. If only there was more padding. Kalos music is either completely forgettable or great. ORAS are awful remakes but bring cool things to table like dexnav and soaring, that were then fucking abandoned in the next games.

GEN 7:
Islands are small and have literally nothing in them. Plot is okay but can't make up for the unfun game. Z-moves are an awful gimmick that neuter the playthrough in order to sell ben10/poweranger toys. Camera issues and theme park island tour. Pokerentals were a step in the right direction but executed awfully.

>try to play BW
>like none of the starters
>eh whatever Im sure they will grow on me
>reach first gym and realise theirs only like 4 pokemon available and I like none of them
>ok whatever Ill just take the monkey and Im sure Ill find something I can replace it with later
>reach 2nd gym
>still no pokemon I want to fucking use

Why are 80% of the gen 5 pokemon so fucking unappealing. I have no desire to use any of them in a game

gen 4 is more like the middle of a volcano, where 3 and 5 were the peaks on the side, with the other gens downhill

Not this ho

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pretty good ost even though they're mostly recycled from bw

Gen 3, 4, 5 I reckon are the only times I liked all three starters.

>dislikes BW designs
>dislikes SM designs
I bet you dislike the UB's and like the Creation trio. BW offered the biggest variety of mon designs yet and it's easy for anyone to find designs they like, and SM broke through new boundaries with very creative mon choices. You have some pretty bad taste if you think they're not at least some of the best mons the series has put out.

Or actually maybe you're just a genwunner, which is even worse.

>worst region
>worst pokemon designs
>worst legendary mons
nah senpai. bw2 were ok but they couldn't separate from the trash that was bw.

>dead memes
>post-election trump
>senpai
>bw2 were ok but they couldn't separate from the trash that was bw.
checks out

I tell this to everyone who is about to play gen V: the game opens up after you cross Skyarrow Bridge. That's the actual beginning of the journey, and once you reach, for example, the desert, the mon variety gets a massive spike.

The early game in BW is honestly why most people hate it. Not saying you did this, but lots and lots of people stopped playing before getting a quarter into the game and thought that was the whole experience. Once you get passed that the game is very, very rewarding.

>worst pokemon designs
That's not Alola

Cant refute any of my points so you criticize the gif? Typical gen 5 baby.

that would be gen 5 at least you didn't post shitty gen 2

your trash opinions speak for themselves, i am not trying to "refute" you, i am mocking you
chie is also shit

It still baffles me that people think gen 5 has the worst designs. Like, there are 156 to choose from. If you disliked 90% of them you'd still have 15 good mon designs, which is still pretty good considering people are so picky. I personally only dislike the four muskedeers, Meloetta, Emboar, and Swoobat, so it's kind of strange for me.

exactly this
go through serebii.net/blackwhite/pokemon.shtml and just try and say you hate all of them

Crabominable has an ingenious design actually, it made me really appreciate it. I'll probably use one in USM, whichever version I get.

mkay dude looks like you really can't defend your trash gen

I bought diamond at the worst possible time because platinum was revealed no less than but a couple of months after my purchase. I felt like such a loser at a time and outright dropped pokemon for a couple of generations.

Fuck you for dragging Touhou into your fucking Sup Forums crap. Touhou was always escapism. Touhou was sacred.
Fuck you. Fucking why?

That's not HGSS.

Also, SM was a slight move towards a return to form, though USM looks like it might undo it.

Playing through HGSS right now

This level curve is horrendous. Im either atleast 4 levels below or 4 levels under everything I fight

>worst region
>worst pokemon designs
>worst legendary mons

None of that got in the way of having the best gameplay and most content, though.

Half the gen are pretty trash tier and there are few actual good designs in gen 5. The Legendary Pokemon especially are terrible compared to every gen before 5.

In what way do you think pokerentals were executed poorly?

Also which game gives you that diploma?

>Gameplay
sure competitive was fun in gen 5
>Most content
No that would be HG/SS

HG/SS and B2W2 are fucking top notch too but yeah Platinum is the best main series game

That's not B&W2

But the best games came right after Platinum.

>Gen I:

Barebones and aged like milk, but still enjoyed it enough to play Pokémon Yellow through to the Elite Four.

>Gen II:

Didn't play

>Gen III:

Didn't play.

>Gen IV:

Was the generation that I started on, so nostalgia is likely influencing impressions somewhat. Started rough and barebones with D/P but wound up climaxing on the best main and remake games.

>Gen V:

I felt that it was an uneven generation. BW1 improved on the storytelling and worldbuilding but came along with baffling regressions in features and gameplay. BW2 remedied most of the feature and gameplay-side regressions in favor of regressing on the plot and worldbuilding. Also was the generation that started "the line" as a valid route layout for regions.

>Gen VI:

A very pretty-looking, but very hollow-feeling generation. Wound up becoming tired of both XY and ORAS by time I got to the end of their campaigns. Was not a big fan of the storytelling quality that generation, and tons of additions such as Mega Evolutions felt shoehorned in delivery.

>Gen VII:

Stuffed with QOL improvements, and a big refinement over Gen VI. That said, it was a little disappointing to see the Gym system go and chopping the region up into islands made things a touch too linear. My opinion might change after USM drops, but that is a conversation for later.

>gen 4 legends > gen v legends
I understand differing opinions, but this sounds like a mental problem you may have. Gen V added a lot of symbolism and intentional practices in its designs, whereas gen 4 was the gen of "MAKE IT HAVE SPIKES! ADD LINES! OH AND MAKE IT THE CREATOR OF ALL TIME AND ALTERNATE DIMENSIONS DUDE"

BW2 went back to that, of course, but only because they wanted the wider appeal, I guess. Zekrom/Reshiram > BW Kyurem.

And Zek/Resh >>>>> Creation trio/Arceus.

Straight away, the dumb safety helmet and jumpsuit you wear is dorky as fuck.
More importantly, though, they left a disconnect between you and your pokemon. HMs were awful because they required you to waste space for mostly useless moves, but in a way you built a bond with your pokemon because they helped you travel the terrain; HM slaves notwithstanding. The rental pokemon are just random pokemon, and now you no longer get to have that with your own pokemon.
Also some of the rentals didn't feel like they have any place. You use them at one or two times in the story and they're hardly/never seen again.

The certificate is from ORAS, when you transfer a pokemon that was caught or bred in RSE and talk to a guy in... Lillycove, I think?
She turns 12 next month. Yes I know I'm autistic.

you are objectively shit.

Emerald and Platinum were the absolute greatest games in the franchise

Anyone who mentions HGSS or BW2 are clearly retarded

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>Gen 1
Yellow was pretty good never played R/B
>Gen 2
Only experienced through HGSS so no comment
>Gen 3
My first game was FR which I thought was a good experience even though it gets memed on here, as for Emerald, absolutely one of the best pokemon games
>Gen 4
I was pretty addicted to this one because of waifus, kind of irritating with the hms
>Gen 5
BW was okay but BW2 was absolutely amazing because of the postgame content
>Gen 6
XY was pretty good lorewise but it was pretty easy, got into competitive here and stopped at ORAS because it was pretty shit
>Gen 7
Storywise, amazing, but like XY too easy

>One looks like a creature with all the characteristics that's associated of an actual bug
>One looks like it came from a shitty drawn western cartoon
>One literally looks like it's wearing clown pants
>"BW and SM had great designs, you guyz!"

>first form is a smug crab that looks like he's gonna fuck your shit up
>awesome, let me see what he evolves int-

gen 1 was alright
gen 2 fixed many problems with gen 1 and improved upon it greatly, my favorite gen
gen 3 almost killed my interest in the franchise until sapphire and fr/lg came out
gen 4 was mediocre until platinum and hgss
gen 5 was decent
gen 6 sucked
gen 7 us/um will either cement this gen as being shit or redeem it

why did people hate ORAS?

>characteristics of an actual bug
>literal swords
>anime eyes
>big dinosaur claws on its toes

I don't disagree that scyther is way cooler but your double standards are showing hard

awful remake compared to frlg, hgss

>Gen 1
really fun for just casual play and abusing the hell out of glitches.
>Gen 2
The best gen of the Game Boy games, Crystal was top fuckin notch and is really pleasant to play and listen to, the gen I have the most nuhstallgiuh for.
>Gen 3
kinda went downhill from here on out. FR/LG and Emerald were okay but R/S was straight fuckin trash.
>Gen 4
I unironically liked Platinum. HG/SS were honestly the best remakes of any game, they got everything right about them. Good ass music, fun to play overall.
>Gen 5
Only played the original B/W so I have no opinion on B/W2. I really like the Unova region and the new Pokemon are pretty cool. Didnt like the music however.

Never played any of the 3ds games

Its a remake of Ruby/Sapphire and not Emerald

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Something felt really off about this gen. I think the battles were too sluggish.

>stripped of all of the features emerald added, like no battle frontier
>can't customize your clothing
>shit story
>shit characters
>neutered mystery man's house
>too much water
>kalos references out the ass
>mega evolutions when it had no business being there

I could go on

I've stayed a fan since Gen 1 came out, allow me to offer my 2 cents on the matter.

>Gen 1
It set the groundwork for later titles but no one should really look back fondly on Gen 1, it was very much a proof of concept for later games. It was serviceable I guess.

>Gen 2
I'm probably gonna be the odd one out and say Gen II was probably my least favorite gen. It was very much "Gen 1 but not glitchy" and the games reflected this. Part of it is definitely just how much I hate Johto, the region that didn't have enough content for a game all on it's own so they had to shove Kanto in there too. Its mons were very hit or miss and it just felt...polished but dull, I guess.

>Gen 3
I think this is where Pokemon really hit its stride in terms of advancement, where everything made this massive jump in quality in almost every aspect. Hoenn was expansive, the new features are anywhere from QoL to unintrusive aspects that made the whole experience pretty great. Not to mention FR/LG are pretty much THE way to experience Kanto now.

>Gen 4
Lot of good, lot of bad. The introduction of the physical special split was a game changer and in a positive way. Old mons held back by the split now saw new life in having completely new options available to them, and it showed with a lot of the newer mons too. Sinnoh was a pretty large and varied world, and a lot of the new mons were on point design wise. That said, Gen 4 suffered big time from a slow battle speed that made fighting a chore, and the world didn't really open up until Platinum. And no amount of remaking could ever save Johto, bless their hearts if they didn't try though.

Obviously lazily remade, literally a downgrade from emerald in terms of content
Music was composed based on trumpets, the remakes remove some of the trumpets and now sound silly
Dumb retcons/loltiverse explanation
Delta episode had cool moments but the entire premise sucked SO hard
No significant endgame after XY also had no significant endgame, people were getting impatient
Mega evos still a thing

I can learn to accept z-moves that aren't pokemon specific. Megas are dumb though, they could have been implemented well if they gave them to the right pokemon but that will never happen.

Say what you will, but DPPt has the best collective route music.

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No such thing as a bad Pokémon game, you all loved/liked something about every version and game in one way or another

Gen 1
>Psychics win, gg no re

Gen 2
>stallstallstallstallstallstallstall

Gen 3
>Skarmbliss all day every day

Gen 4
>Universally regarded as the best and most balanced generation to date

Gen 5
>Surprise, it's my secret weapon: the weather!

I gave up after that.

Gen I: best designs, horribly unbalanced but good for nostalgia trips

Gen II: basically a refinement of Gen I with a good bit of content. didn't care for the new Pokémon though

Gen III: pretty good, liked the new Pokémon, the music and even the corny features like contests and weird legendary methods. Kanto remakes were a bit meh though, didn't really like how much was left for post-game. Never played Emerald.

Gen IV: Boring region, too much HM slavery. The event legendary shit started to annoy me. Pretty much the beginning of what I think of as modern Pokémon. Also reminds me that the GTS is still shit after 10 years. Pokéwalker was neat I guess.

Gen V: Only played White. Fun reboot adventure but the graphics and animations were generally jarring. I got pretty bored of Pokémon at this point but I wouldn't make another reboot type game as VI and VII have too many old Pokémon showing up.

Gen VI: Felt like a tech demo, with many Pokémon being showcased but totally forgettable new ones. I prefer the 3D models over BW's odd animations.

Gen VII: This somehow feels like more of a tech demo somehow. Game runs badly and all the new Pokémon seem slow as shit. Story shit and Hawaii'n region get old fast. I didn't even finish it.

in fairness clothing customization is a meme feature and mega evolutions were a gameplay concept that would make sense to bring to remakes

I like it but I feel like I only like it because of nostalgia

>Gen 5
Unironically my favorite gen, although I consider BW2 to be a massive improvement. BW still laid down the groundwork for a more story driven experience in Pokemon, something that was only really in small bursts in the older games. It was a big step, albeit not a graceful one. For a lot of people, the mons are a dividing point, but I personally feel there's more good than bad and I really appreciate the risk of preventing old mons at all during the main game of BW. That said, BW got very heavy handed and it took away from the feeling of Adventure that Pokemon had always done so well. And I honestly find Unova to be not a great region, it's pretty small, even if it has some variety and it leads to a lot of going back and forth, which I'm sure some people found a positive but for me it just made the whole region feel short. BW2 took a lot of steps to fleshing out the world and it did wonders for the gen.

>Gen 6
Hoo boy, what a gen. The introduction of 3D was a super big deal, especially since it clearly wasn't tested all that well since that slowdown had to come from something. The plot feels like they tried to take notes from what people said about Gen 5 and dialed back the seriousness a bit...but they flung it just a little too far into the other direction to where we have mood whiplash at the drop of a hat and nothing really feels important until the last few hours of the game. The new mons were fine for the most part and I didn't have the introduction of Fairy, I just wish it was explained a little better. And Megas are a touchy subject, since they can be both a. Breathing new life into old pokemon you'd never use normally (Beedrill, Pidgeot, Sableye, Lopunny, etc) or b. unneccesary power boosts purely meant to push certain favorites further into the limelight (Lucario, TWO Charizards, etc). And really, the less said about ORAS, the better.

someone post the blissey webm

>Hawaii'n region get old fast
agreed, I get they chose it because it's unique but they didn't let you forget for a moment what the theme was. XY did it a lot better with France because you barely noticed it apart from names

That's not ruby, sapphire, and emerald.

The midi piano is too shrill imo. I got a headache playing through both Plat and Diamond.

Momiji is barely even a character, even for Touhou standards.

3>2>1>5>4

>Gen 7
I'm honestly conflicted about Gen 7 in a lot of ways. There's just a lot to it that makes me want to really like it but then has like 5 things dragging it down for every good thing. The trials were a nice breath of fresh air in theory, but in practice it didn't mean a whole lot besides a slightly different kind of battle at the end. The story really tried to get that happy medium between 5 and 6 so hard and it's...still not quite there. THere's an attempt at character and some actually feels like they tried to develop them, but sometimes it's so subtle that it's actually hard to tell whether it was intentional or not. The region being split into 4 major parts is a great idea, but each having mostly the same gimmick (hey look how not-Hawaii this is) made them wear themselves out really hard. All this on top of not fixing the slowdown STILL and downright confusing design choices (the Rotom Dex can go burn in a fire somewhere, who's bright idea was it to have this gen's regional bug evolve only at one of the LAST AREAS OF THE GAME, etc.) just left me confused more than anything. The one thing I can say was perfectly fine was the OST and that's really it.

Sorry this took up 3 posts. You're free to hide or ignore me, I won't mind. I get wordy when I'm tired.

>gen 7
> wiggers vs weeaboos

5=4>3>7>2>1>6

>apex
>with that shit gen 4 engine

Because it has a battle frontier.

>double-paired wings
>thorax
>abdomen

It's a bug.

Shit on gen 5 all you want but thank god they addressed this in BW.

Yep, Platinum and Gen 4 were the magnum opus of Pokemon.

I was in your shoes at first but having no other previous pokemon to rely on really made me expand my horizons a lot more rather than just trying for old favorites again.

I was forced into doing it, but in hindsight I actually appreciate it and wish they'd do it again. It's very rare to experience something like that for the first time again, where you know none of the pokemon around you. They won't though because so many people busted GF's balls over no gen I, even though a solid number of Gen V were a play on the archetypes set up by I.

You posted a wrong picture of HGSS