Why don't more games use physics engines like euphoria from GTA?

Why don't more games use physics engines like euphoria from GTA?

Everyone bitches about graphics but no one seems to care about physics nowadays.

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Because most consumers have no standards and devs know it.

That's very true. Even Rockstar botched it with GTA V, the physics in that are ass compared to how they were in IV, a game that released 5 years beforehand

Sad but true. That's why devs prioritize resolution to framerate

I'm just tired of graphics memes when things like consistent fps and good physics are way more important

Because you have to pay money to license it

I didn't mean just euphoria. Rockstar probably wouldn't let other companies use their engine anyway. I wanna know why no other developers can come up with a physics engine that produces similar results

Physics peaked with RDR.

Anyone else spend hours just getting into fist fights in 4?

blog.wolfire.com/2009/11/why-we-are-not-using-euphoria/

>That sounds great! So how do you license it?

You can't. When we asked them for further information, they responded with, "Euphoria is currently not available to the public, we only have deals with a very limited amount of publishers and quite frankly I assume it would be much too expensive for what you are doing, sorry."

that takes money.

another equally important question is why are we not getting more games with destruction mechanics like red faction:guerrilla and BeamNG.drive?i understand the latter is very intensive, but the former worked well in a pretty big game. even watered down versions of these mechaniocs would be better than the nothing that we have

Because making your own engine is a terrible, awful idea 99% of the time. If you're not some forty billion dollar a game AAA dev it's much better to just license someone else's engine or use unity or something similar where you're much less likely to have issues and more likely to have people on your development team who are already familiar with the software.

Well that's a damn shame, because every time I play a game that isn't made by Rockstar all I can think about is how bad the physics are

Perhaps because despite the physics, GTA IV was quite a fucking boring game. It's the best game to show that TECHNOLOGY can only carry your game so far. I was glad when it was over, what a dull fucking turd.

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Go back to YouTube comments, kid

i feel like the controls could have been implemented better

I never understand the people who say IV was boring. It's one of those games where you have to make the fun for yourself during the missions and while free-roaming.

So in a sense, the people who didn't enjoy IV and other GTA's are just uncreative and boring

holy fuck that game has been going for an eternity. How did they never secure a publisher and fund a proper team? It's now been in Beta for almost 10 months.

console hold back gaming

When you get used to them they are pretty responsive, you actually take control of the character in a way that very few games do, you actually feel like you are in charge and that skill does count.

but that takes a ton of hours in the arena tho

>throw out all the technology and effort of GTA IVs engine
>shit out GTA V generic as fuck
>sells way more copies
mad as fuck

a week or two ago he showed off the final beta build before 1.0

it's actually just about done mate

Makes sense. Most people in the world are exactly that.

gta IV is still bettter then V

you mean you need autism to enjoy GTA IV? The game has some of the worst missions in the series, there's way less content than in SA and way less vehicles

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rockstar doesnt own euphoria you troglodyte

No what I'm saying is that you use the game's engine and tools it gives you to make your own fun. That doesn't require autism. And sure it has some bad missions like all GTA's but it also has some of the best out of the series.

You seem like the guy who would rather play V which is scripted to fuck and tailored for ADD faggots like you who can't play a game without extreme player/car customization even though the whole campaign is scripted garbage compared to IV

well fuck me. hopefully it's good.

Even Max Payne 3, which while a little sluggish in terms of control had some excellent shooting, dumbed down Euphoria big time unfortunately.

Okay they may not own it but they're the only dev to use it in their games. Name 1 other game that uses Euphoria physics engine

star wars the force unleashed

I thought both IV and V were quite mediocre. What exactly is "making your own fun" about? Running over random people? I could do that in SA as well as have pretty damn good content all around. Sounds like a cop out for shit gameplay.

And no IV has some of the worst fucking missions in the series, the series went from invading military bases, chasing trains, stealing fighter jets and shit to driving slow trucks for the mob and just boring, mundane trash really.

Ok and we all know how that turned out. Maybe after that game they said fuck it and stuck to Rockstar

This 100 times, I used to be obsessed with destruction and deformation in games as a kid, I loved burnout pretty much for that alone and I always imagined the future of games would be fully destructible buildings with proper material and liquid physics. Then we got Red Faction and I thought the future had arrived. Then we never got anything like it again, what a fucking let down. If Red Faction could run on a 360 imagine what a proper game like that would be like made for a modern PC.

star wars the force unleashed 2

That game did moderately well. It even got a sequel. It was the sequel that bombed and killed the series.

I'm not gonna look up videos or explain to you what I do in free-roam on GTA, don't blame other people because you're not able to have fun in a sandbox world that gives you plenty of options. What do you look for in an open world game then? It still just sounds like you sped through the missions without exploring or experimenting and are now blaming the devs for making a boring game

So what you're saying is the series crashed and burned? Like I said, that's probably the reason they wanna stick to Rockstar now

>crackdown 3 or red faction-style destruction physics
>gta iv style euphoria ragdoll physics
>be as realistic or balls to the walls destructive as you want
>easily moddable
Would it be the game of the decade?

Too bad that rockstar won't give a fuck about that, and even rdr2 will have equally bad physics or no physics at all

I did explore, I found tons of deserted interiors with NOTHING inside, only to find out they'd be used for some mission and have nothing interesting in them at all. The weapons sound like shit, which is a tradition for GTA IV, cars drive like boats, protagonist just keeps whining all the time, and the friend system is an abortion. The climbing system is iffy and not as precise as SA's. The exploration of IV is just fucking garbage.

Needs waifus but other than that you're on the right track.

You're totally right, people need to stop worrying about meme 4k graphics I want better physics

>burnout
so much time in that game. you should try out BeamNG.Drive, its the game in the webm. it was a little barebones when i played it months ago, but i think its still in active development and has probably had a lot added to it since then

RDR was lacking compared to IV as well. IV was honestly pretty fucking amazing. The story was boring but everything else was great.

V has it, there's a mod to unlock it.

pubg proves this

>tfw want the next gta to have the same euphoria pysics and car damage IV had

>I thought both IV and V were quite mediocre. What exactly is "making your own fun" about?

YOU WANT TO GO BOWLING COUSIN?

pubg has technology though

What about RDR's physics was inferior to GTA IV? I thought it was better in every way. One of my favorite euphoria powered moments in RDR was shooting an enemy in the gut, watching them drop their gun, stumble for a few steps, fall down, roll over onto their stomach, crawl around crying out for help, then eventually bleed out. Headshots would also rarely result in an enemy reaching for their face, stumble a bit while grasping at their head, then collapsing. I don't recall either of those kinds of animations being in GTA IV.

you mean theres a a mod that attempts to imitate it, with only some success

um no sweety

Speaking of physics on Rockstar games, why do they use Bullet for their objects instead of Havok?

Bullet is free.

Why did they dumb down a lot of things? Like the magic police AI; V is neat in having them recognize specific cars / character description stuff even if it's probably a 0/1 variable with no actual complexity to it, but even the birds report you to the authorities and the cops magically seem to know where to find you so long as you don't hide a car with the lights off carefully. And they just sort of rarely come about, start spawning out of nowhere, and then despawn off-camera when they're done.

Also fuck the "people in the opposite lane constantly try to turn into your lane inconveniently to try to make chases more dynamic" shit.

This is all true. The climbing is clumsy in gta4 and not even remotely useful. Vaulting over fences feels glitchy and horrible. Looking back it's hard to even believe it's a rockstar game with how sloppy and weird the climbing animations are

youtube.com/watch?v=EDPxTdaY3BU

Starts talking about RDR's use of the euphoria engine at 1:40. I believe it remains the best implementation of the euphoria engine to this day. Max Payne 3's was close, but still not as good as RDR.

Cops always knowing exactly where you are has been true for all GTA games though. The fact that you actually can hide in V so that cops at least take a little longer to find you is a step in the right direction if ever so small.

If RDR2's gunplay won't be as good as RDR1's or MP3's, I'll be very disappointed.

The first Force Unleashed was pretty fucking good, especially the Tatooine and Hoth missions.
>We will never get a game where Dark Lord Starkiller and Luke kill the Emperor together.

For you die-hard Jedi Knight fans, I'm sorry this wasn't the game you wanted. If it's any consolation, both of these series are dead and no longer canon.

Let's go get a drink together..

>The climbing is clumsy in gta4 and not even remotely useful
There's literally an entire mission in the beginning of the game where you use it to scale a building.
You literally jump from rooftop to ledge and scale/shimmy along, something that's flat out impossible in GTA V.

>There's literally an entire tutorial in the beginning of the game
fixed

Good point. I liked 4's shooting more than V's.

Point is it has some objective use, I can actually scale some buildings in GTA IV using the game's movement system, while I can't in GTA V.

not shooting on fpv

>Why don't developers push for better physics engines on consoles severely limited by their CPU's

Gee, I dunno champ.

There's a reason they're pushing 4K and not 60 FPS with stronger graphics hardware.

Physics calculations can be offloaded to the GPU and PS4/Xbone are more than capable of handling it.

Where in the fuck in my original post did I say anything about consoles? I could give a fuck about what games console players are playing you retard

>their gpu are already low tier trash and you want to load more work into them

Not that user, but are you retarded? Nobody is making PC exclusive games anymore. Even the Mount & Blade devs just ported Warband to consoles and if anything that points to a multiplay development for Mount & Blade II Bannerlord.

Doubly so for PC exclusive games that push the boundaries.

Go fuck yourself you console tool, I own an Xbox and Playstation for like 3 console exclusives. Everything else I can get on pc. You're a dumbass in the first place for assuming I was talking strictly about console games in my original post

>Nobody is making PC exclusive games anymore
wew

Consoles decide what everyone else does you moron.

You want some extreme PC based physics game then play fucking Overgrowth or something.

It can be but that doesn't mean it's easy nor free. For most games physics being procesed on the GPU is very limited while the bulk of it is on CPU.

this pc kek

>There's an entire tutorial in the beginning of the game

fixed

Jesus fucking christ, the only reason consoles dictate anything is because of faggots like you who buy most their games on console. People like you are the reason PC has gotten the shaft this last decade.

So in short, consoles aren't the reason. It's faggot console players who are at fault

What?

console -> machine to play games = gamer playbase 100%
pc -> personal computer = gamer playbase 30%

Well yeah. Consoles sell 5-10x more copies than PC.

I have a better gaming PC and a larger library than you so fuck off autist. Stop pretending like developers can just make some uber PC exclusive with super physics because it will never happen outside of some tech demo.

this

I'm not even gonna dignify your stupidity by arguing back. You are beyond retarded

So you are admitting it's possible to create better games on pc but because more people buy them on console it's ok for them to be held back? And you call me the autist? What do you work for EA or Ubisoft or some shit you fucking shill? And I could give a fuck about your 'super large pc game library that's bigger than mine' as if you could even know that. Go back to beating of to hentai you dumb fat fuck

I never said it wasn't possible, I said it wasn't realistic with the current gaming market.

You asked why dev's aren't doing the thing. I explained. Go fuck yourself, retard.

As I said, if you want physics then Overgrowth is a pretty good bet. Supposedly that will be a finished product soon.

Well to start, you explained in a complete asshole way. Maybe hold off on calling people autists when you post weeb pictures like that.

And second, it's fucking obvious that consoles are holding back games, but that's still no excuse for physics to be total ass nowadays. Certain physics engines are less taxing that 'muh amazing graphics' that all these new console games boast about. How in the fuck do you people think Red Dead and GTA IV ran on last gen with that good of physics? If you think 'console limitations are good excuse for why modern games don't have good physics then you're a fucking idiot

>Well to start, you explained in a complete asshole way.

Where the fuck do you think you are you fucking shithead faggot?

Good way to avoid responding to the rest of my post you fucking tool. I know exactly where I'm at, Sup Forums, which is a place filled with some of the dumbest possible people and you are a perfect example

I'm not even that guy, you fucking idiot. I just can't believe how fucking pathetic this board has become. Kill yourself faggot

Yeah it's pretty pathetic when it gives me flashbacks to Call of Duty on 360 in 2008 with kids telling me to kill myself. Next thing you'll tell me that you fucked my mom. We can agree on 1 thing though, this board has turned to shit these past few months, and I think it's shit like what you're saying that had a hand in ruining it in the first place

They don't "stick" to Rockstar, dingus. Rockstar is the only company that bothers to license it.

Well then Rockstar has been making good decisions compared to other devs then because they're animations and physics still look way better than other open-world games

>months

It's been shit for years ya dingus. Fuck off back to r-e-d-d-i-t.

No shit, but these past 4-5 months have been especially bad with all these plebbit immigrants. There's been an extreme influx of these annoying motherfuckers lately

I thought Force Unleashed was really dull. Every fucking enemy was a damage sponge, which essentially turned all the combat into wailing on enemies with a stick; the main character was a twat designed for teenage edgelords, and almost every single usage of the Force was goofy as shit. From turning Force Push into a fucking hadouken, to some random Jedi dickwad effortlessly flinging endless TIE Fighters at you. It was Star Wars filtered through what a 13-year-old considers "totally epic, brah."

Tested for force unleashed, which also used euphoria. We had to make a new classification for bug, called a euphoria, which out numbered every other class of bug combined by a few thousand.
It's supposed to supplement a physics engine, but it doesn't plug into anything and is so bulky it wasn't feasible for the console hardware at that time (or for this time imo). Force Unleashed lost an entire combo system - light/heavy attack purely because of euphoria.