Now that the dust has settled, we can all agree Smash 4 was a disappointment

Now that the dust has settled, we can all agree Smash 4 was a disappointment.

No it's my favorite Smash game, I just wish it was more balanced. Ganondorf should be S tier.

It's the best smash game assuming you're not a competitive/tier shitter

>Ganondorf

My gerubro.

It's the best one. Fuck off, Melee fag.

Horrible stages, poor balance, insane bias, and no Ridley on the roster killed it for me. Yeah my opinion is shitty but it's an honest one.

>no Ridley

You could have just said insane bias. After all, wasting slots on garbage characters like Palutena and chucklefuck hunt is what prevented ourboyz from getting in

I doubt we'll ever see K.Rool in a video game ever again desu

Hell no. Only disappointment was some of the characters didn't get anything like DDD and still a major lack of villains.

Between both versions I put hundreds of hours into the game so I don't think so. I wish the roster was better and there was more single player content, but the sheer amount of characters and stages makes it my favorite Smash game.

Keeping in mind I voted for K. Rool in the Smash Ballot and raged harder at the costume than anything vidya related in years, I'm pretty happy with Smash 4 overall.

It's shit

>that time before Smash 4s release where people tried to get Ridley and K. Rool supporters against each other
Shit was dumb. If a character is in a franchise a lot especially as a main antagonist I see no reason to exclude them from the roster. Especially when there's clear fan demand.

Look at it this way.

You can fire up training mode and just beat the shit out of the characters you don't like.

Who decided that a fuckface like sakurai gets to decide the characters for Nintendo's all star fighting game?

He made, what? Kirby? KI:U?

Nope sorry

He also really really likes Fire Emblem. Bet you would't have ever guessed that!

He created the all star fighting game.

Nigga he made Smash.

It's his series.

I don't even hate either of them, I just have no intention as playing as them ever
I don't think anybody was rallying for cuck hunt dog honestly, I know I wasn't

And Corrin is just unforgivable. No excuse.

Kirby's mouth it's so tempting

People didn't rally for Duck Hunt because he sounded like an impossible character. People only go with characters they can easily imagine movesets for, which is why Wii Fit Trainer never made anyone's lists either.

you are idiot my dude

What's wrong with both Palutena and Duck Hunt? Also to hate Duck Hunt, are you against the characters in the previous games that were retro picks (at the time) as well? I mean nobody asked for Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch, etc at the time but people accept them.

It got disappointing when Space Peach up there showed up.

Then the actual game came out, and sucked. The DLC basically killed any chance of this ever lasting like 64, Melee, and Brawl did.

Palutena was one of the highest requested characters, fuck off.

Yes, but at least it wasn't as bad as 3.

It's really interesting how Brawl took the wind out of its sails. They had to resort to all kinds of shit to get people to care. Look, Megaman! Pacman! Bayonetta, Cloud! They've basically pulled all the rabbits outta the hat now, the only way they're gonna get people to talk about the game for more than a week is by making it actually good, which I don't think they're capable of.

>Ganondorf will be stuck as a low-tier captain falcon because he was thrown in at the last minute due to time constraints

I wish they didn't include him in melee at all

>I don't think anybody was rallying for cuck hunt dog honestly, I know I wasn't

Everyone who played Duck Hunt has wanted to kick that fucking dog's teeth in.

And now you can.

No, I like having the hard Ganon life. I feel like an underdog whenever I'm winning.

G&W is fine by me since he represents a niche that isn't easily filled (G&W rep). He also has enough fun gimmicks like the hammer that he stays interesting.

Ice Climbers were also unique since they were the first "2-in-1" character, and and a callback to the NES era. So when duck hunt covers both of these bases again, it's not as interesting. I would have rather kept ice climbers

Smash 4 is good.

>Brawl
>Last

Brawl had like 6 monthes of decent tourney play before it became meta knight: the game and everyone went back to melee. Within 2 or 3 years of it's release smash64 had a higher tourney participation level.

Seriously. Talk about playing your cards early, I doubt they'll bother with a Switch installment at this point

I like how they handled newcomers. It really help hype people up for the game and I feel its actually one of the better examples of how hype can be used in a games favor.

Its my favorite smash since it feels more rounded. Even the low tier characters can be played to a level where you can still realisticly win against a high tier if you know your shit in comparison to Smash Melee where if you pick anyone low tier you move too slow or just have shit like Mr G&W awful shield situation.

>I doubt they'll bother with a Switch installment at this point

You have to admit, the Warlock Punch feels fucking amazing.

I love that Ganondorf is an even manlier Captain Falcon.

What would they even add that Sakurai would be willing to put in? More FE? Fucking Goku?

I really like the roster (for the most part, there are exceptions like Lucina and Corrin). But jesus fuck the gameplay is absolute dogshit. 1v1 is genuinely painful to play with how defensive and slow it all is. It's made even worse online where uncreative flowcharters are everywhere, making matches incredibly tedious and boring.

If it weren't for tripping, I'd probably rank this below Brawl. In fact, I just might considering Brawl has better mods and 4 will never pick up to the same degree.

Who is Ridley ?

>Goku

Lucario's the closest you're getting to Goku in Smash.

>martial arts
>ki attacks
>zenkai-ish mechanic
>super transformation
>voiced by Sean Schemmel

>Lucina

I'm probably the only one who doesn't hate her. She's pretty harmless as a reskin of Marth, what really bugs me is them wasting dev time on the other new FE characters. Robin is pretty mediocre and I dropped the game when Corrin was announced

He was before your time, moeblob.

Mother Brain's henchman from Metroid. Goes "SKREOOONK" a lot.

Switch is DOA

Look at Spla2n for fuckssake

If they wanted a character like that they should have used black shadow model instead

I would be surprised if Sakurai made Smash 5. But the series sells too well for Nintendo to drop it.

Ganondorf is perfect, since he's all Triforce of POWER. Every hit with him feels strong as fuck.

I'm just going to pray they drop him for somebody who gives a fuck desu

Kill yourself waifufag

You ever felt a forward air? Now that's satisfying,

Yeah, the series needs some fresh blood. Not sure who'd direct it though. Maybe a high-ranking developer from Smash 4? It'd just be like "hello everyone I worked closely with Sakurai on Smash 4 and thank you for letting me continue this series."

Got me

As someone who doesn't own a WiiU, is the 3DS version worth it on the original 3DS XL?

My problem is that as a clone, she has no reason to exist. Doubly so with Roy in.

Back in Melee, the clones had a little more to set them apart.

As it stands, you can always spot a waifu shitter if they choose Lucina, as you have no reason to be picking her over Marth. Perhaps if she was faster, or more aerial focused, a case could be made for her.

As for Corrin: probably the most poorly designed character to ever make it into a fighting game. He's just got a lot of bullshit.

Cloud and Bayonetta too, but at least their being in Smash is justified, unlike fucking Corrin. That entire DLC set screams p2w tho.

Is Lucas supposed to be worse than Ness? He seems like he has more useful tools overall.

>people trusting anyone but sakurai to direct smash
enjoy your 12 playable characters jewish cashgrab

I would say Cloud is debatable. ANOTHER anime style character with a sword, and I don't believe his debut FF was on a Nintendo console until recently
Definitely marketing in his case it felt like

64 and Melee were traditional middle market games whereas Brawl was a proto-AAA game. The series nailed this transition when it came to advertising because Sakurai is one of the best showmen Nintendo has, but the game itself just got bigger for the sake of being bigger, which did not result in a better end product. 4 was better prepared, but not as well advertised.

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smash ballot was fucking rigged. sakurai probably already had a good idea of what fighters he was adding.
>ah yes here we go, FE protagonist anime swordfighter #19

Same, it allows you to humblebrag. You can beat expert players, but it sucks being hopeless against super expert players.

What about Splatoon?

You wanna hear the best part? We never got the results

I'm willing to bet Bayo's inclusion was pre-arranged with Platinum before the poll even started

Cloud is one of the most iconic characters in gaming. Like Snake, it's not debatable. His inclusion fits right in considering what Smash is.

Corrin, Lucina, Palutena, Roy, Dark Pit, Shulk, Robin, Wii Fit Trainer, Miis... THOSE are debatable.

Cloud has every more right to be in than Shulk and every other anime Swordsman in there not called Link.

what your trying to say is that smash ballot was an inside job?

>yfw the potassium in the bananas is turning the freakin Kongs gay

>Cloud is one of the most iconic characters in gaming
not really

t.Meleefag

>Cloud has every more right to be in than Shulk and every other anime Swordsman in there not called Link.

Marth is certainly more deserving because iconic Nintendo characters should always get the nod first before any 3rd parties.

It was a brawl with some modifications to trick people into thinking it was melee-ish, so of course it was shit.

I wish they would just ask M2K, Mango, Armada, Plup and PPMD to help them balance a melee hd remake

Yes really.

He's basically the face of and the most prominent figure in the Final Fantasy franchise, which is a pillar of gaming. And ranks within the top 20 in just about any list.

Back in the early 2000s, he would top most polls right next with Link.

Cloud is incredibly beloved, and deserves his spot on the roster more than any FE nobody, yes, including Ike and Marth.

FFVII is one of the most revered games of all time.

>Marth is certainly more deserving because iconic Nintendo characters should always get the nod first before any 3rd parties.
Says who?

B- but muh waifus....... muh tharja.....

WHERE THE FUCK ARE MY ZELDA BUFFS?

>He's basically the face of and the most prominent figure in the Final Fantasy franchise
ahem

>posts genderbent Cloud
She even dresses as him ffs.

Cloud has made more cameos and has had more appearances than any other FF protag. Not only that, but FFVII is the FF series with the most installments and media.

64 and Melee were all about Nintendo characters. And Smash Bros is all about a celebration of everything Nintendo at heart. Do you realize what happens if you decide to open the floodgates to 3rd party characters?

Smash Bros should always be Nintendo-centric first. 3rd parties should stay as "guest characters".

>genderbent Cloud
Nice "argument"

It was actually pretty good. My favorite entry in the series save for the choice in some of the characters. I have friends who can't wait to get back into it after all this time

>Cloud
>Justifiable

Fuck you, that reveal just spit in the faces of anyone who grew up with Nintendo FFs. Cecil, Bartz, Terra, Locke, and even fucking Marche would have been better choices.

They wanted the Sony audience.

You mean theit biggest hit? Go back to bed sonybro

Not really.
People have started discussing Smash Switch, but the creator of the series seems to be pretty much done with it. I can't see how they can make a new smash feel like a significant step forward (like what Smash 4 absolutely was to Brawl).
They can't rely on graphics so they'd have to change up the combat somewhat - it has stayed the same since the inception pretty much, except for the smash ball (that everyone turns off anyways).
give Ganondorf a unique move set and I'd admittedly buy it day one tho

Cloud is far more popular than any of them.

Even if he is the creator Smash is bigger than he is. It's THE "Nintendo roster game" and should not be controlled by the Kirby guy.

Not an argument.

>And Smash Bros is all about a celebration of everything Nintendo at heart
Was.

Now it's a celebration of gaming as a whole. It began with Snake and Sonic in Brawl, but Smash 4 made it more obvious with:

Sonic
Pac-Man
Megaman
Ryu
Cloud
Bayonetta

Some of the more prominent figures in gaming across time.

They should do a reboot imo.

What are you talking about? Lucina is way more consistent than Marth. It isn't even about being good or not, just due to how DI etc works Marth's hitboxes are more inconsistent by design. Many of us prefer how Lucina plays.

It's controlled by the Smash guy

Yes it is.

Lucina is literally "Marth for beginners who don't know how to space." This was both confirmed by the lead dev, and is mentioned on the game itself.

If you're choosing Lucina over Marth, you're obviously a waifushitter scrub who doesn't know how to play.

It isn't, no amount of "spacing" will change how the game's mechanics work, if your opponent knows how to DI F-smash setups Lucina will always be more consistent than Marth. And she is unequivocally better for edgeguarding too.

I guess, but it is so heavily influenced by Kirby which I'm not sure is healthy.
Subspace emissary and the single player party stuff in Smash 4 is so kirby, I feel the game could be so much more - why aren't there minimodes where each characters does something specific to their franchise for example? Like a platforming mario thing and a mini metroidvania thing for Samus? It could be the ultimate nintendo crossover instead of a fighting game with a kirby-like singleplayer mode. It should of course primarily be a fighting game, but the singleplayer could include so much more nintendoness.

But Lucina is cute!

Melee's target tests and adventure mode were almost like that (Metroid level emulates an escape sequence, F-Zero level is a race to the finish line, Zelda level is about exploring a labyrinth etc), but instead of developing them they decided to scrap them entirely.

It's like with melee and tr4sh, if you're choosing tr4sh over melee, you're obviously a waifushitter scrub who doesn't know how to play.

>Was.

It still is. Doesn't change the fact that the theme of the game is "duking it out with your favorite Nintendo characters". You're not gonna see Nintendo dig deep into Capcom's or Sega's history of their other games like they'll do for their own. Heck, Smash 4 info in the back of the box had the "Nintendo All-Stars do battle!"

3rd parties are still guest characters and only the select few are qualified for that spot, because they better have a damn good resume for the spot. But Nintendo characters are still priority regardless.

This is why Melee is the best game in the franchise, even casually. It had a lot more heart and soul poured into every fiber of its design.

Ok.

Then why are:
Pac-Man
Sonic
Megaman
Cloud
Bayonetta
Ryu

in the game then? That's an awful lot of guest characters. Over 10% of the roster in fact.

Tr4sh is ridiculously low budget. Only veterans that got new voice lines were Kirby (and Ness because same VA), and Pit. Not a good look when you can't even get Charles Martinet back.

I agree!
Fuck Fire Emblem! There's too many sword fighters because of that!