Are Witchers OP? I've seen people saying that a knight in full armour could take one yet I've also seen others claiming that Geralt could match up to some of the weaker Marvel Universe characters.
What could realistically could kill a Witcher easily in their universe or in ours?
They're superhuman, but still human. A single pitchfork stabbed into to the head canonically kills Geralt. If caught by surprise (which is in no way easy), they're no big deal.
Only Geralt is OP and that's cause of reasons.
They require a good amount of preparation ahead of time as well as knowledge of what they're going to go fight - If they get ambushed by a nasty and tricky beast, they will likely need to flee or be very lucky to survive the encounter. They're a bit like Batman - if there's a weakness to exploit, they'll take it and prepare ahead of time
You could probably kill a witcher with a gun if you get a lethal shot on them to the head.
Witchers being OP is bullshit.
Even skilled fighter can posses a challenge to them.
Witcher mutations do not grant super strength or make them demigods.
They give them faster healing, cat eyes, faster reactions, slower heart rate, resistance to poisons and disease and that's basically it. No super muscles or super speed.
They are just at peak human performance with few bonuses to help them fight monsters.
In a melee fight Geralt could go toe to toe with Batman easily.
Geralt is a witchy sue
>Witcher mutations do not grant super strength
Well, in Time of Contempt during Geralt's first confrontation with Rience he did manage to dig his hands into Rience's ribs.
Not as strong as Ciri who is a normal human.
While the average witcher is above most humans, most of that comes from training. Without temporary boost gained from potions that would be too toxic for an ordinary ordinary human to consume, they wouldn't have an edge to speak of over an expert martial artists who also happens to be near peak human condition, and indeed human variability probably goes beyond the variability among the few witchers that exist, and Geralt or other expert witchers might barely break even with their slightly enhanced abilities or signs that those knights or professional soldiers don't posses.
Besides, practitioners of mundane martial arts would have a more practical approach and equipment for fighting against other humans than witchers who might be expert swordsmen in their own right but in the end don't specialize in that sort of thing.
It's been a while since I read the books so perhaps there was some trickery involved, but Vilgefortz, a mage, beat Geralt in physical combat.
First half of the Witcher III was great. I felt challenged, every enemy had a chance to kill me and Geralt's chances at living through any struggle felt rather realistic to his world
Second half? You're god. Kill everything. Skyrim Mode.
...and if you turn on leveling, rats for some reason are your level and are just as dangerous as everything else.
NO MIDDLE POINT, really. Really took me out.
>Ciri
>Normal human
She has universe level space time magic.
A Witcher would get fucked by the average Hogwarts student.
They are weak, even in their own universe. High Vampires fuck them on a regular basis.
Only Geralt is
Bonhart is killing Witchers for a hobby
geralt is a mary sue but i love him anyway
I was just about to call you a fucking idiot but you're probably right. Even Geralt would probably struggle against the teachers in fair, 1 on 1 combat. They require no preparation to perform larger spells unlike Witcher Magic users.
This has made almost every encounter in the game feel significantly cheaper. Thanks for that.
This was kinda a bit of a letdown for the game. I played on Death March and at first it was a little hard. Then I started leveling Quen and noticed every fight just revolves around keeping quen active. All the other spells are useless except in situations like Yrden to stop a noonwraith or aard to break a wall. It was harder too when I had to manage food and whatnot, but then I noticed the skill that let each heal item last 20 fucking minutes. Whose bright idea was that? A HUGE aspect that made death march a lot harder, not being able to heal by anything except food, eliminated by this one skill. I guess it doesn't matter since damn near everything on death march 1 shots you anyway.
Imagine a human at peak performance. Their pain threshold and insane physical control over their bodies allow each of their hits to be leathal. They are strong sure, but only slightly stronger than the avarage muscle man. Their reflexes, battle prowess and discipline over their body make them hard hitters with precise blows, each swing with intent to kill.
They know how to hit and where to hit. The potions and mutations allow them to push pass the limits the body puts on itself allong with increasing the rate at wich the body functions. Faster healing, quicker thinking and animalistic reactions.
They are trained from a young age with conditioned reflexes and ways of thinking.
So basically a monk with a sword and a wikipage on how to fuck your day up in particular.
>High Vampires fuck them on a regular basis.
Higher Vampires are few and far between however. And to compare the apex of monsters to an average witcher is hardly fair. Geralt is capable of defeating higher vampires on his own. Not killing them of course, but defeating them. Eskel killed a Katakan and Lambert took on a Ekimmara initially by himself, so he must have felt confident enough to defeat it. Wait, are those higher vampires? I know there was that one guy that turned into a katakan who was sleeping when Geralt was fucking with him. Are all Katakans and Ekimmaras Higher Vampires?
Put an arrow through one's eye and he will die. Geralt is literally the best swordsman on the planet, he still dies to a bunch of angry peasants. Games will always show power level terribly, he's stronger in the games than he really is.
Cut scenes are more of an accurate description of their power, but it's kinda shitty when you kill over 50 bandits at once and a couple of guys pointing crossbows at you stop you dead in your tracks. Takes you out of the game completely.
witcher's are custom built to kill monsters
they shouldnt be fighting knights etc
Vilgefortz did enhance his body with speed, strength and reflex, but still.
think batman
Also this. A knight is trained to fight humans, namely heavily armored, heavily armed other knights. A witcher is of course trained and 'bred' to fight monsters, but they're also taught swordsmanship against humans as well. While they might not be stronger, they're definitely faster than a knight so it just comes down to skill instead of 'witcher > knight'
People always forget that Leo Bonhart killed three Witchers by himself
>Are all Katakans and Ekimmaras Higher Vampires?
No, that's something the game did that was complete bullshit.
Katakan's and ekkimara's are basically your 'average' monster. Higher vampires aren't really even monsters - they're basically a race of fucking super heroes.
>Geralt is literally the best swordsman on the planet
>laughingbonhart.jpg
He's pretty much the epitome of sword skills though.
So Higher Vampires are like Regis, Dettlaff, and Orianna? Were the ones who 'turned into' katakans just complete lore-rape bullshit? Do Bruxae count as higher vampires?
>Were the ones who 'turned into' katakans just complete lore-rape bullshit?
Yup. The guy who was doing the murders in Novigrad claiming he was a higher vampire and then turning into a katakan was retarded. Made no sense.
>Do Bruxae count as higher vampires?
No, they're still just your basic vampire monster.
I think a human could probably do that, the hardest part is breaking the first layers of skin which could be done with your nails. If someone like Geralt brute forced his fingertips into the soft spot between your ribs I bet he'd puncture through it, plus I bet he has sharp nails for some reason or another.
Anyone else think it's doable ?
I wish they had gotten a showdown.
There is no "still". Vilgefortz was one of the most powerful mages, if not the most powerful of that generation. If I remember the encounter correctly, his staff was as if made from iron yet he moved faster than Geralt could perceive with his hyper senses.
The fact that Geralt survived is a fucking miracle.
Are monsters just a natural part of the ecosystem, or should they be eradicated?
>are creatures from another dimension a natural part of the ecosystem
That's a tough one, Jim.
AoE Aard with freeze is overpowered as well. The game just becomes a grind. You can even take out monsters far above your level if you have the patience.
>What is the conjunction of spheres
Humans are also from another dimension, so.....
I dont remember the timeline exactly, but if he would have met him after he got his legs smashed to shit, he would lose flat out.
You just start to wear through sword when fighting higher level enemies. It doesn't make a difference with Death March on since enemies will pretty much one shot you anyway. It's just fast attack x3 aard AOE freeze ad infinitum with a quen activate somewhere in there. I was level 50 doing level 65 quests and my only problem was running out of repair kits.
I'm not saying this to disable your critique of the game, literally just saying it for your own sake and enjoyment:
I did my 2nd playthrough without using any of the OP skills and only using quen when I had too and it was a shit ton of fun. Health regen and shields are the most overpowered stuff, if you play with a focus on bombs, potions/decotations, and some of the signs the game's combat becomes better than average. You actually have to think about your encounters. Unfortunately it is the ONLY build which makes the game challenging but not tedious. Freezing a water hag with north wind then knocking it over with aard for an instant kill is satisfying. Tanking hits with quen is not.
>"natural" part of ecosystem
literally monsters from another universe/sphere/whatever
bruh
I get that, and for a time I considered not using quen because it was so easy. Then I realized that I shouldn't be the one to make the game challenging. The game itself should be challenging and I shouldn't gimp myself to make it more difficult. The game should damn near make me use bombs, potions, and a variation of signs per enemy to beat it. I shouldn't just have to Quen + Fast attack forever. But since I can, I will because I don't feel any threat of danger when I can just go back to my other methods to win.
No, he didn't. He bought or found those witcher medals, they're useless for a non-witcher.
Where would you buy or find those? The flea market?
>they're useless for a non-witcher
They show everyone who knows what they are exactly how badass you are.
Bonhart killed those witchers. No reason to think he didn't.
Witchers are basically the Jedi of the 13th century. Yes they can be killed, but they are extremely powerful
Ok lads, I've played through Witcher 2 and Witcher 3, not Witcher 1 though, and I haven't read the books; but are Witchers really that scarce throughout the Witcher universe? For instance, there are only three Witchers apart of the school of the Wolf by the end of Witcher 3 (as far as I'm aware). Obviously there are other schools but the only other Witcher that I can remember of was Letho. Also, If I remember correctly, Vesemir brings up that they've stopped trialing children to be potential Witchers, why is that?
There was that one side-quest in the Witcher 3 where that random yokel had a wolf medallion he bought off a merchant.
>Vesemir brings up that they've stopped trialing children to be potential Witchers, why is that?
I think it had to do with over 70% of the young captive children dying in the process to become a witcher.
>Also, If I remember correctly, Vesemir brings up that they've stopped trialing children to be potential Witchers, why is that?
During a progrom against witchers, everyone who had the knowledge necessary to create one was murdered and the knowledge itself was lost forever.
Witchers are REQUIRED to be a peak physical performance to even survive the Trial of the Grasses.
Not to mention they spend their entire lives training, educating themselves in warfare and lore, take growth enhancing drugs during their entire development.
Ciri was given those enhancing drugs for years, and trained like any Witcher boy from the time she was 8 to the time she was 14.
She's ALSO superhuman, but lacks the final trial of the grasses and all the mutations it brings.
She makes up the difference with her magical skills.
A fully mutated and seasoned Witcher is probably capable of benching 1000-1100 lbs, could run a 100 yard sprint in 9 seconds flat, and can maintain fitness and vigor on meager trail rations for weeks.
They're in the 1% of the top 1% of humans, but they're not just good at one thing, they're all around better, stronger, faster.
They're not unstoppable, but you'll need at least 5-6 regular people to overwhelm one, or one of those rare other 1% of 1% humans who was just born better than everyone.
Once they take a few potions, though, they enter superhuman territory.
Geralt is also special even among Witchers.
His Trial of the Grasses was experimental.
Foltest's Daughter, as a Striga, killed one other Witcher and scared the other away. Geralt was able to force it to retreat.
>I was level 50 doing level 65 quests and my only problem was running out of repair kits.
I never even had this problem on death march. Occasionally got one shotted if I got too cocky and had to start the grind over again. Kinda ruined the fun after completing it
Well in the books there were far fewer, basically only the ones from the school of the wolf and I think maybe one other school gets a two sentence mention.
They dont train people anymore since they dont actually have mages that can mix the potions for the trial of the grasses and the amount of monsters in the world is going down anyway, so witchers are becoming more and more a relic. That and the propaganda spread against witchers.
Fairly sure the mages could figure it out again, but Vesemir wont let them near the shit.
>the amount of monsters in the world is going down anyway
>witchers hunt monsters
>monster population starts declining
>less witchers are made
>monsters start repopulating
Why is this not the case?
There's probably not much more than a dozen or so witchers left in the entire world at this point since basically every school has been closed. Witchers aren't trained anymore since the knowledge has died out as a result of pogroms and prosecution. Doesn't help that witchers aren't in high demand anymore.
Essentially the few we see in the series is the last generation of drifting witchers, with whom the trade will eventually die. A bit sad when you think about it, but Geralt also often points out it might be for the better.
We know they stopped training witchers at the Wolf School because during a pogrom at Kaer Morhen, everyone fuckin' died except Vesemir, who was merely a sword instructor, and didn't know how to perform the Trial of the Grasses.
We also know that the School of the Cat was also probably wiped the fuck out in a similar pogrom in Wild Hunt, given that you can encounter a Cat School witcher that mentions that only three of them are still alive.
There's still no information on the Bear, Manticore, Viper, or Griffon schools, so they could still be out there and functional further south on the Continent - we just don't know.
Because monsters arent supposed to be in this world, they entered during the conjuction of the spheres or whatever that event was called. They dont reproduce. And its not just that there is less work, but also a lot of the work is done by knightly orders these days, who dont ask for pay unlike witchers.
You know what I mean.
A witcher medal is a symbol, It's worthless for non-witchers.
>Also, If I remember correctly, Vesemir brings up that they've stopped trialing children to be potential Witchers, why is that?
1) No wizards or people with knowledge of how to apply the mutagens and do the Trial of the Grasses properly.
2) Vesemir doesn't like killing children (most of them die from it)
3) Being a Witcher is a shitty life for the most part, and he doesn't want to subject another child to what he went through, nor do any of the others.
>Fairly sure the mages could figure it out again, but Vesemir wont let them near the shit.
It is hinted that Triss wanted to try reverse engineering it, but considering that sorcerers in the witcher universe are the least trustworthy cunts that would propably end very poorly.
Thats not my point, its a very specialty item to just find lying on the ground. And it has to be magical since it reacts to danger and such, so not just any other blacksmith can make it. Probably made by mages in a very, very limited numbers.
I'm not doubting that witchers are human+, but 1000lb bench? Come on man. Geralt got killed by a pitchfork and iirc never showed any disposition to that kind of raw strength. Unless I missed the feats of some unnamed witcher somewhere.
He only intended to slow gerald by crushing his limbs
Fug imagine being the last Witcher, what a miserable existence that would be
He got killed by a pitchfork because he wasnt ready to fight and wasnt willing to fight those peasants, so its not exactly fair to say. But the rest of his claims seem a bit optimistic, you have a point there.
Maybe under a potion, but on itself I doubt a witcher could bench that. Maybe Leto. He's built like a brickhouse.
>Because monsters arent supposed to be in this world, they entered during the conjuction of the spheres or whatever that event was called. >They dont reproduce.
They do reproduce, but they're also alien to the world, don't know their ecological niche, and very little was understood about how to properly kill them.
You don't NEED a Witcher to destroy an infestation of Rotters. You just need to burn the corpses in the area and kill any that at left over and burn their bodies.
With access to Witcher books, Kings can hire out mercenaries to handle things for less than a Witcher would cost.
Additionally, the monsters are starting to learn the world and find their niches, they settle further away from humans and keep more to themselves.
Higher Vampires are the ones that can control their primal instincts. Essentially any vampire that can turn into a human form is a higher vampire.
I imagine you'd just give up the life. Sell your swords, buy a farm, and never worry about fighting monsters again.
That reminds me.
Fun fact - the wolf medallion Geralt uses in the games belonged to an unnamed witcher of the school of the wolf who was killed by Bonhart. Geralt's original got lost in a fire in the books, so Ciri gave Geralt the wolf one while keeping Bonhart's cat medallion for herself.
Well come to think of it the games do suggest they dont have problems multiplying, so some of them probably do but
>With access to Witcher books, Kings can hire out mercenaries to handle things for less than a Witcher would cost.
Thats a big nope. Again, its knightly orders that do it, not random mercenaries. And the idea that hiring out 10 random mercs is cheaper than a witcher is pretty funny as well. What mercenaries are you hiring? Did they have a sale at the warehouse? And knowledge how to kill a wyvern wont do you much good if you dont have the ability to pull it off.
Witcher 2 and 3 are on my backlog. Why do Witchers fall out of use? Are there more potent monster killers out there now, or just less monsters?
and potentially buy a vineyard and live out your days selling wine
1000 pounds isn't even the world record.
A normal human can do a 1000 pound bench with only a tight denim shirt to support their muscles.
Several people have broken 1000 pounds.
A Witcher with enhanced muscles, raised on steroids his entire life?
He could lift 1000 pounds. Not easily, but it could be done.
Less witchers, more humans.
There is only a fraction of the monsters than when Witchers were in their prime.
Lots are extinct by the time the books take place.
Mostly the latter. There are a few groups that hunt them, but nowhere near as professionally as witchers. The main cause is monsters used to be way more common, but once humans started expanding more, it restricted their habitat and they started dying out on their own.
The anniversary video implies that Geralt is enjoying his retirement, and that Eskel and Lambert visit him fairly frequently.
Well there's only about half a dozen in the Witcher 3 that can still be alive. Geralt, Lambert. Eskel, Letho, Gaetan, Jad Karadin possibly, and two more mentioned in letters to Gaetan named Joel and Schrodinger who we can't confirm are alive or dead. So that's 8 possibly alive, with the possibility of Lambert, Letho, Gaetan, Joel, and Schrodinger being dead during or prior to the 3rd game.
Common soldiers and knightly orders are capable of killing many of the monsters. The Witcher 1 explains it pretty well and it is the entire basis of the Order of the Flaming Rose.
That was a cosy video, but c'mon, it was more of a love-letter to the audience than anything lore friendly.
The Witcher video game universe is basically fanfiction.
>A normal human
>1000 bench
Those guys are all on the juice like crazy user.
>There's still no information on the Bear, Manticore, Viper, or Griffon schools, so they could still be out there and functional further south on the Continent - we just don't know.
Viper School is wiped out, except Letho if you let him live. He remarks on how Emhyr killed everyone attached to the Viper School.
Manticore and Bear are game-only.
Griffon is canon, but nothing is known about them besides George the Dragon Slayer.
Witchers are doped on shit stronger than steroids, m8.
You can say that, but if so, it's fanfiction that's better than half the source material.
>And the idea that hiring out 10 random mercs is cheaper than a witcher is pretty funny as well. What mercenaries are you hiring? Did they have a sale at the warehouse?
Kingdoms regularly hire mercenaries to support war and defense efforts. It's part of the budget.
They're like lawyers on retainer. You're paying them regardless, so you better put them to use.
I didn't mean it as a bad thing, I believe it's way better than the books. The books really are nothing spectacular, but they serve as a great base to build on. I like the changes the game made to the lore.
iirc Letho mentions there being a couple of viper witchers he hadn't heard from in a long time that ought to be alive somewhere.
>Manticore and Bear are game-only
And?
But I do wish we had met someone from the griffon school, could've been neat.
Theres this arm wrestle in the second game that is on roids and its basically impossible to beat him
Mercenary armies are incredibly expensive to retain for a long time. And considering that Geralt is working for next to nothing to such a degree, that Yennefer has to beef up the payments he receives in secret in the books ... yeah, not cheaper and certainly not able to defeat anything more than the basic threats such as drowners.
not at all
Yes, and Geralt isn't using any potions because it's illegal for the arm wrestling.
Witcher bodies can endure substances no humans can. Witchers in steroids will always be stronger than humans in steroids.
I've heard that a Pankration fighter in ancient Greece once did it
Bears are so fucking dead that people aren't even sure how they operated and soke assumed they used silver axes instead of swords
CDPR turned Geralt into a typical Hollywood action hero for Witcher 3.
In the books, every battle is a struggle for survival and the world is densely populated with remarkable people who outclass Geralt in almost every way, including combat provess and attractiveness.
Who had the harder job, Grey Warden or Witcher?
I thought he got stabbed in the guts?
I can't really put much importance on the Grey Wardens from DA:O. The game does like to paint the Darkspaan as this apocaliptical army of evil, but also says that Orlais would swoop in and deal with the problem if Ferelden failed. Makes the game feel more like a small kingdom having a problem with pest control and trying to maintain it's sovereignity.
Also, the party are the last Wardens but just in Ferelden. That is, means fuckall.