Everyone in this board is a fucking pirate

>everyone in this board is a fucking pirate
>people still try to use the moral argument to get the government to regulate loot boxes, as if they have the moral high ground here

Defend this you niggers

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I only pirate abandonware.
also your mom's vagina is like a lootbox lmaonade

As a libertarian I defend piracy because no such thing as intellectual property, that's commie bullshit. Especially worse when "classic liberals" defend it saying you need intellectual property else everyone that invents shit will just walk away.

And I can't defend the government regulating anything. So Sup Forums is wrong on loot boxes.

I wanna fuck this chick

I'm not a pirate your argument is invalid delete this thread now

I don't care if you pirate and I don't care if you want to waste your money. I just like videogames.

>As a libertarian
How's the basement?

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sauce?

I want to fuck, I don't like getting fucked.

>everyone in this board is a fucking pirate
Proof?

I don't get the Sup Forums lootbox thing. I understand bitching about making you pay for extra content when it's a $60 game. I don't understand why Sup Forums cares if it's gambling or not.

I work and I'm also at law college

How's the commie dream going?

>anybody who thinks libertarians are retarded must be a commie
I like how you reject the two parties yet still fall for polarization all on your own, good job.

OMG no one cares just Fucking kill yourself

ez mmr

Nobody here cares about the morals, we just don't want this jewshit in our games or to get even WORSE than it currently is.

>As a libertarian

>muh polarization
That's a non-argument. You want the State to control the economy to some degree, don't you? You think you know what is best for others. Your arrogance, however, is fatal.

>wants to control everyone
>yet I am the fedora tipper

Libertarian ideals are in conflict with law training. For example, you said before you reject intellectual property and as we know, ownership is a massive part of the law. Second, you missed the law degree bubble. You're going to have a tough time, good luck.

>Your arrogance, however, is fatal.
Oh god, describes you so well. If this is bait, this is probably a good 7-8/10, take your score and go.

t. even more fedora enlightened centrist

>As a libertarian I defend piracy because no such thing as intellectual property, that's commie bullshit
Wait, wouldn't the communist way be no intellectual property?
Intellectual properties sound like something that would be abhorrent to communists, I mean, a few select people locking down intangible rights to better profiteer from their own mind and labor for their own benefit sounds like capitalism rather than communism.
Are you retarded, or merely pretending?

For the first point, yes, my personal beliefs are not aligned with positive law. Actually, libertarianism is the worst of my problems. I'm a conservative, extremely traditionalist, christian and I believe in natural rights, not in positive rights.

Still, people like me have the opportunity to slowly change the law to something better.

As for the second point, I'm not american.

>As for the second point, I'm not american.
Neither am I, but it's the same here. Where are you from?

>founding fathers were fedora basement dwellers

What's the correct political position then? Social Democracy which doesn't work? Being a generic republican who sucks off Israel? Being a nazi roleplayer?

>As a libertarian
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That implies that piracy inherently immoral to begin with, and that argument has yet to be settled. This also doesn't account for people not really caring about the moral high ground and just not wanting this cancer to spread to the games they play. It could very well be an entirely selfish mindset, and that isn't unlike a pirate. I mean yeah, there are some people saying "muh children!" but not everyone gives a shit about children. Some people just care about themselves, and don't want it in their games.

only thomas paine was u faggot

>libertarian who doesn't support private property rights

So not a libertarian.

I think you just abandon it all and do whatever you want and let others sort out the labels. Discourse is useless. People who like you (and you like) will gravitate towards your actions.

How is libertarianism against intellectual property? It's literally a form of private property

Neoliberal radical centrism, no real economist takes gold backed currency seriously anymore.

People don't want the government to do jack shit, this is a last resort. ESRB and PEGI are getting paid off to ignore it and not slap an AO rating on them.
Thats all it needs to make devs reconsider implementation if they lose a large market for doing so. An adult whale might not even be interested in video games, his children might be.

>libertarian
>pro-niggering

At least you're one of the more honest ideologies when it comes to admitting you're a bunch of hypocrites.

This is what I'm confused about, how do you create value from nothing? What happened to even exchanges and all that Rothschild power manipulation shit?

>>everyone in this board is a fucking pirate
I haven't pirated a game in years, except games you cant get legally anymore.
>>people still try to use the moral argument to get the government to regulate loot boxes, as if they have the moral high ground here
Government regulation of video games is a bad idea

I dont really have any better idea but it doesn't make this bad idea a good one.

>Owning something is commie bullshit
What did he mean by this.

First of all, let me shock you: Your common sense is shit. Go read a book. I suggest Hayek and Mises to start off. If you are not used to reading, Frédéric Bastiat's "The Law" is only 60 pages long and honestly the best introduction to libertarianism you can possibly imagine.

As for why you are wrong. The idea of intellectual property is absurd. For something to be property, it must be scarce. Scarcity leads to real prices since it defines supply.

Intellectual property is a wide theme, as we are in Sup Forums let's pick intellectual property of games specifically (piracy). When I make a game, I am able to transfer this game to any computer practically for free. There is no scarcity here, it is an infinite supply. Proof of that? Torrents. If there was scarcity it'd be impossible to get it for free.

That $60 pricetag is not a real price. It is called "artificial scarcity". If the market could actually do its work in peace without government offices, you'd find that, as the supply is infinite and the demand is infinite, these games would be free. Meaning you would simply be able to download them off a torrent like you can do right now.

Torrents show the game's real prices (zero).

Now, don't get me wrong. As a libertarian I still defend one form of intellectual property: That one created through direct contracts between buyer and seller. If the buyer establishes a condition like "You will not redistribute this to anyone else" when selling, then they have all the right to sue someone that is disrespecting the contract. But this is not what happens nowadays at all. What happens is predatory intellectual property meant to hold artificial government-secured monopolies over strategic fields of the industry.

Oh, and talking about vidya again, with piracy you'd probably crash the video game industry and give birth to something much better, something that is actually worth money.

But yeah you can't own non-scarce stuff

I'm not reading your pasta, frog poster.

Games that feature lootboxes are normally online only. Which you can't pirate.

Stay dumb then

Microsoft owning Halo isn't communism you drooling retard.

All his points were valid, he's made me interested in the very least. This gives me an entirely different way to argue in favor of piracy.

You think you are smart for saying that? Everyone knows Microsoft owning Halo is not communism. My point is that having the government chase and destroy anyone who attempts to make something that remotely resembles Halo, such as a mod or a fangame, is authoritarian and dumb.

The whole "communism" part comes with more strategic resources like meds.

I don't even know why I'm trying to explain this to you. You're clearly too stupid to realize you don't actually know everything. You think you are way too smart for books. You are hopeless unless you get a change of mind.

>But yeah you can't own non-scarce stuff
There are billions of smart phones out there. Guess I can't own a smart phone.

>Now, don't get me wrong. As a libertarian I still defend one form of intellectual property: That one created through direct contracts between buyer and seller. If the buyer establishes a condition like "You will not redistribute this to anyone else" when selling, then they have all the right to sue someone that is disrespecting the contract. But this is not what happens nowadays at all. What happens is predatory intellectual property meant to hold artificial government-secured monopolies over strategic fields of the industry.
It literally does happen with movies and games you dip. People do it anyway because it can't be enforced

But if everyone always downloaded games for nothing, then how would they get made?

A fool and his money are soon parted

>As a libertarian

You're on Sup Forums, buddy. Most people aren't going to disagree with that.

Every single Libertarian i've ever met talks about how smart they are compared to other people and carry themselves like they write for the Ron Paul Institute, yet they all hate one another and the Libertarian Party is a complete joke. It boggles the mind

>For something to be property, it must be scarce.

Morality has nothing to do with it.
Say a guy comes to the yard right in front of your house and takes a shit there, the yard isn't yours, but you see it, wouldn't you call him out on it if he took a shit on it? Sure you could argue that it's none of your business, it's not your yard you didn't pay for it, but not only does he shit on it regularly, people around him notice that by taking a shit in the designated shitting yard is more profitable than using the toilet.
Now you have a bunch of men squatting down and shitting in front of your house, and every day you have to travel the shit minefield, because it propagated so much that the yard in front of you is overflowing with shit and people are now moving to YOUR yard.

The industry is a business, people will catch on.
By being a passive bystander you let this shit fester like a cancer, "oh you pirate your games, you have no right to criticized abusive business practices because you don't eat every piece of shit offered to you", this is harmful.
Nothing wrong with a little piracy for personal use, vote with your wallet and all that. People that pirate exclusively shouldn't even factor into sales projections, they wouldn't buy the games anyway.
Point is, this lootbox shit is insanely profitable, to the point people profit more from it than game's sale itself.
The old men at board meetings that don't care about shit other than money will see this, and they will force it on their product to the detriment of the whole, because fuck making your money back through game sales, the future is lootboxes raking in the millions from people gambling for digital bling.

get a job user. maybe if you bought games instead of pirated them you wouldn't be a NEET.

>For something to be property it must be scarce
>Guy comes over and steals my TV
>'Don't worry bro, there are million other TVs out there so this one wasn't yours! Read up on your economics! Aight peace.'

There are billions of pens out there, yet they are still scarce.

Here's baby's cheat sheet for figuring if something is scarce or not: If you can't use this good at the same time as someone else, or without seizing it from them, then it is likely scarce.

For example: If you are using a pen, it is impossible for me to use that same pen as the same time as you, I'd have to take it from you by force.

Games are clearly not scarce, I can easily download a copy without having any side effects on your copy of the game.

This gets complex with things like oxygen. Because oxygen is not scarce, but it can be when you bottle liquid oxygen for example. I can't spoonfeed you that part of the concept, you need to actually read a book for this one.

That's a good question. I ask you this: Are you happy with how the industry currently works? I think it is a huge failure. The only thing keeping some companies afloat ARE intellectual property laws. If piracy was free then they'd need to make their cash in some other way. That's why I'm saying that this would lead to a video game crash. The bad games would be legitimately purged, and only good games worthy of money would remain. The market would take care of it, selecting only the few companies and games that still receive money despite the possibilities to pirate it. Let's also not forget the direct contracts that prohibit people from distributing games without authorization, these work as intellectual properties that have consent between both parties partaking it.

Whatever happens, I can guarantee video games and movies would not stop being made. As long as there is demand, there'll be supply, capitalism just won't allow a sector of the market go fully unexplored.

>If piracy was free
But piracy is free :^)

>There are billions of pens out there, yet they are still scarce.

So you're just making up definitions backwards from your conclusion in order to draw it.

Good to know, will disregard all further posts.

Read High quantities of a good does not make it non-scarce. It's less about quantity and more about a quality of the good. Some goods are scarce by nature, others aren't.

You are the one making up definitions. What I said is the definition of scarcity and property given by Milton Friedman and Hayek.

I think he means that there's only a finite amount at any given time, but no two individuals could be in possession of the same object at the same time

>The market would take care of it, selecting only the few companies and games that still receive money despite the possibilities to pirate it.
>I can't explain it, the market will fix everything lol

It is ok to kill frogposters

Just beccause I shitpost about pirating every game doesn't mean I actually pirate every game
lrn24chan faggot

Yes. Hunt them down.

why are you unironically trying to discuss political philosophy with the underage brainlets on Sup Forums?

What? You think I am going to draw detailed a plan of exactly how the switch would take place and then suggest you all vote for my political party so we can put it in practice like a commie?

There is a difference between orthodox economy and Austrian economics. Orthodox economists treat economy like a car. It is broken, some parts are clearly functioning badly. The government is the mechanic, it can repair the car through its economic politics. So the orthodox economist studies economy while trying to find a way to predict it and control it.

Austrian economics takes a completely different approach. We think economy is organic. It is not a car -- economy consists of human actions. You are the economy, I am the economy, the economic relations we establish are what compose the economy. To intervene in the economy is to intervene in the individuals. There is no car to be fixed so lay away the wrenches user, individuals will find a way eventually.

I can try guessing how the market would solve a video game crash but I can't guarantee it because that's beyond me. All I can guarantee is that as long as there is a high number of autists demanding video games there will be a supply able to satisfy that demand and earn a profit. Right now the current supply can't satisfy the demand in terms of quality and it also shouldn't be earning a profit, this industry really needs to crash and burn.

>Intellectual properties sound like something that would be abhorrent to communists
That's a century of capitalist propaganda talking

>everyone
this is where you fucked up

>founding fathers were libertarians
>push for federalist system
?

I'm feeling so dumb right now

Everyone thinks their common sense is enough to handle economics. They eventually fall for the temptation of trying to control economy with their common sense. It's what Hayek calls the "fatal conceit", a fatal human mistake that can lead to millions of deaths as observed in history.

Start with Bastiat's "The Law", it's only 50 pages long. Then proceed to read Hayek, Rothbard, Friedman, Hoppe, Mises and others.

Remember, user: Books for the mind, iron for the muscles.

I pirate and if I like it I buy

imagine how silly this guy is gonna feel in a few years after all this effort

modern AoC laws were invented by feminists who can't compete with tight virginal teens.
Also 14 year old girls are post-pubescent, therefore you are not a pedophile for being attracted to them.
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Imagine how silly you would feel if you would actually read a book on the subject.

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Yeah I'm sure that if the government passes some arbitrary regulations video games will become good.

>ITT: autismo dumps on people for not knowing everything while proceeding to tell everyone how he knows everything
Also since we're suggesting literature after Mises read Marx's Kapital

Democracy is cancer.

>muh piracy is the reason for loot boxes
>every study done on its effects says it has no effect on sales or profit
Keep licking them jewish boots user

lmao calm down

Amen.

>Libertarians
Aka people who never hold office and can't do dick in the long run

Yeah, none of us are well adjusted individuals and this place is nothing but a bunch of bored assholes pretending to be triggered by each other while the quiet majority patiently wait for actual discussion to rise from the ashes.

here's why: idiots and kiddies will buy fucking lootboxes and they will become an accepted industry practice to the point of becoming like DLC is now. remember when there weren't prelaunch DLC announcements? aka they worked on parts of the game to paywall before they even released the game? me too. this will happen with lootboxes if we don't reverse this course right now. We need to learn from the past and not let this shit happen

>democracy is cancer
>because no one wants loot box cancer

jajaja
excellent bait amigo

>be me
>go to ivy league school
>majoring in gov
>reading how fucking stupid you all are
lmfao you retards probably don't even comprehend the basic nihilistic philosophy of rick and morty, please self-castrate.

Nah it's going to happen. Even if the government were to do something the industry would just pay them off

At least somebody gets it

Have they done anything in the short run even?

>watching reddit and moshe

Real libertarians have nothing to do with whatever the fuck the US has going on. It's like how commies are called "liberals" in the US, yet anywhere else in the world the liberals are actually what the US calls "libertarians".

Outside the US, libertarians are either minarchists (they want a very small state that only takes care of upholding security and justice, nothing else) or anarcho-capitalists.

US "Libertarian" authors are actually classic liberals and Austrians such as Friedman, Hayek and Mises.

Actual libertarians are people like Hoppe, Rothbard, Walter Block and such.

No libertarian would ever try to "hold office" since they deeply despise the idea of democracy.

It'll never stop.
>Game came out, maybe you got post-launch updates
>Expansion Packs came out as a way to have post-launch content but not devote to a sequel
>DLC comes out as a way to have post-launch content with less effort than a full expansion pack
>Cosmetic DLC comes out as a way to sell fluff items
Now we hit a point where there are multiple avenues for return after launch but this really covers everything. How do we get more money from the same system?
>Randomize aspects of it within lootboxes so that it's more buying per item because it's not a guaranteed chance of acquiring it.
Next evolution to get more money from people per game will be having more and more games be subscription based somehow, probably starting with a cheap "DLC pass" that's like $5 per month for X months instead of paying for the full DLC/Season Pass price but basically hooking people in monthly for whatever DLC is on the horizon.

So nobody here knows how to report obvious shitposting? No one?

I liked the shitting analogy.

No democracy is cancer because it is literally mob rule.
>Tyrone breaks into your house and steals your TV
>hey that's theft
>Laquisha's 50 tyrones reaching voting age and vote for gibs which you pay for
>feds break into your house and seize your TV
>that's the will of the people, can't argue against it!

Only an idiot would defend democracy in 2017

>This is what I'm confused about, how do you create value from nothing?
By telling everyone that it exists.
The economy runs on the notion that the exchange is fair.