Implying the bed of chaos was a FAILED attempt to recreate the first flame

>implying the bed of chaos was a FAILED attempt to recreate the first flame
>implying it didn't burn for just as long as the first flame, without having to be rekindled

get on my level, brainlets

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It turned everyone into fucking demons. And it didn't function like the first flame at all.

I don't like to think about the bed of chaos.

no shit dumbass, its still burning strong in DS2 many cycles later.

>It turned everyone into fucking demons

Which i a bad thing, because? "humanity" in the souls series isn't humanity as we know it, anyway. They're basially chud zombies with ghosts attached to them.

Demons have heirarchy, strength, longevity, don't go hollow, etc.

It's still around in DS3, within the old demon king.

Most of the demons were created by the flame, they were never humans to begin with
Only the firesage, Izalith and some of her daughters transformed

The chaos flame is objectively the best choice though.

The first flame is weak as shit, and makes everyone go hollow unless the constant sacrifices are kept up

The dark is corrupt as fuck, and leads to shit like pontiff Sulyvahn and Nashandra

Chaos flame makes hardass demons who live for fucking ages.

>The dark is corrupt as fuck, and leads to shit like pontiff Sulyvahn and Nashandra
Sulyvahn was mean before he discovered the dark, Nashandra is barely canon

He was, but the dark allowed him to fully realise that. Nothing good seems to come out of the dark. Nashandra is canon, whether we like the game she's in or not.

>Nothing good seems to come out of the dark
Because there has never been a true Age of Dark ruled by a Dark Lord (not one that we've seen or heard of), only morons uncovering the abyss/deep (not synonimous with Dark) and making a mess

>A real age of dark has never been tried

Name one Dark Lord

>mfw each iteration of the chaos flame has been defeated by a human

Sauron

Nashandra

Chosen Undead

His plans were going great, he was just unlucky

She had no interest in guiding humanity, she wasn't even human herself
Not a Dark Lord

We never heard of him again, no way to know how it worked out

The deep and the abyss aren't the same.

>She had no interest in guiding humanity
Hardly a prerequisite for being dark lord.

>she wasn't even human herself
Not a prerequisite for being dark lord

>Not a dark lord
Spurious opinion

I know, and neither are "the" Dark, they're just related to it

Kaathe himself describes the Age of Dark as the age of men, and the Dark Lord as the lord of men.
The Age of Dark is defined by the supremacy of humans and absence of gods.

But every lord of cinder has had the opportunity to become a dark lord, and refused it. Not all of those have been humans.

>(((Kaathe)))

Why is she barely canon, because she doesnt fully fit with your argument so is inconvenient?

>without having to be rekindled
What are the dead stone demons.

They're dead. They're lucky to be able to do that. Being able to die is a blessing in the souls' series.

My point is the chaos faded, and they all turned to shit just like the first flame.

>But every lord of cinder has had the opportunity to become a dark lord, and refused it
Because they were taught that linking the fire is their purpose, and only ever lived in an Age of Fire
Gwyn worship is still alive in Lothric and in the Ringed City

Go back to your cave Frampt

Because she was written by secondaries and in the sequel everything left about her story is a couple of vague references and a small painting

>they all turned to shit just like the first flame.

But they didn't ALL turn to shit. They just had the ability to die. After countless thousands of years,the chaos flame is still alive, without needing to be rekindled all the time.

>Because they were taught that linking the fire is their purpose, and only ever lived in an Age of Fire

But presumably, Yhorm could have not linked the fire and become the dark lord. He ain't human

Frampt and Kaathe are the same fucking two-headed snake anyway

Demon King was the last guy left, and he was a shitter.
The chaos is dead Jim.

It's dead now, because the Ashen one killed it. But it had lasted for many countless millenia, without the need for rekindling. In fact, the old demon king seemed to have taken it into himself, much like one of the endings

Well it was a flame of life alright, as for whatever it would've burned for just as long as a primordial fire that's debatable.

You could go full autism and say technically we don't know if the chaos was rekindled between games.

It seemed to be doing okay. As user says, it has burned for the entire length of the series, while the first flame has been fed millions of sacrifices and lords of cinder and shit

There is that. Maybe there's a chosen demon ever time that has to go and link it.

The soul of the demon prince implies the demons had their own sort of kindling system, so I doubt it stayed lit as long as it did without sacrifice.

I still don't understand how should I interpret the demons in DS3.
Are they supposed to be the heirs of the demons from DS1 and they're fading because we've destroyed the bed of chaos, or are they the demons in that continuity but their flame was destroyed by someone else somewhere along the line ?

>Yhorm could have not linked the fire
Sure
>and become the dark lord
I'm not sure. How was he supposed to do that?

People need to understand that becoming the dark lord essentially means collecting more humanity - more of the dark soul. Otherwise there is nothing that makes the dark lord a, well, lord. If a dark lord was ever shown in the series, it would be Gael.

For all we know become a Dark Lord is really just resetting the cycle and becoming the new Pigmy once the dark soul is all reunited in a single entity.
After all we do know that the primordial fire will simply pop back into existence once conditions are met.

The demons have their own cultures and histories, so they probably have their own way to link the chaos flame.

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Their language can be deciphered apparently

implying fromsoft actually thought all that stuff through and didnt just throw all random slight connected crap in the game hoping lore fags will stitch together a somewhat cohesive story and from gets all the "omg soo deep" credit by literally having done nothing.. reminds me of neon genesis evangelion lel

That faggot finally admits his videos are just community ideas?