Why was new vegas so outdated for its time?

Why was new vegas so outdated for its time?

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Because they had to work with the scraps Bethesda threw at them.

What a shit starting point for development then

I wish I could like New Vegas, I hated 3's gameplay and from what I've seen it's the exact same.

Maybe they should have, just, like, not taken that contract, then.

gameplay is the same, except with better weapon variety, better setting, great DLCs and is one of the most modable games out there

They actually made it worse, if you can believe it.

They added ironsights (stolen from some free mod, no doubt) but there's very little cover in the game, and weapon damage is really abysmally low across the board except for a couple of way OP guns so firefights take a really long time and aren't very satisfying because it's just very slow damage races.

Imagine New Vegas with all its pros, but without a shitty engine/infrastructure by Bethesda.

If Bethesda stops fucking around and will just port NV to FO4, which surely has to be less coplicated than developing a new game from scratch, they will make a billion fucking dollars

mods can do that for us

Because it was a true RPG that came out in a time when such games were outdated.

New Vegas would never happen without Gamebryo.

Are you a naive kid or a falseflagging bethesda fangirl? Just because NV is way better than 3 and 4 doesn't mean its remake would be popular. Also

>Creation Kit

>those robo-scorpions that took 10 minutes to kill
How were you meant to beat them anyway?

>weapon damage is really abysmally low across the board except for a couple of way OP guns so firefights take a really long time and aren't very satisfying because it's just very slow damage races.

You become an absolute murder machine that can chew through enemies like butter if your character build isn't absolutely inept (like your's for instance) and you have a decent weapon, crits and crafted ammo trivialize things even further

An NV remaster on FO4's engine wouldn't be pupolar? Are you a dumb fag? Everyone would fucking buy it. People who liked Fo4 would buy it. People who liked NV would buy it.

>weapon damage is really abysmally low
Don't play on Very Hard, all it does is increase enemy HP. If you want more difficulty, add a mod that reduces YOUR hp, like JSawyer.esp or maybe that one Project Nevada thingy.

By going into the DLC before level 30. Alternatively: by using the proton hammer.

The only people who think FNV isn't trash are the kiddos who got into fallout through the bethesda games, and retarded obsidiots

It was a callback to a forgotten era of RPGs...
and it was also made in a ridiculously short amount of time on an engine from 2002.

>better setting

um no. ruins of washington was vastly superior to desert dust

pretty much only Sup Forums and similar autists like NV over 3 and 4. I'd be inclined to think it's just a meme if people didn't get so psychotic about it on here

the quest and overall game structure of 3 and 4 is just more similar to TES, which is what people buying bethesda games want. simple market forces, man.

besides, all NV offers is worse gameplay and quests that refer to things that either the player doesn't know/care about because they don't bother reintroducing returning plot elements from F1 and F2 before expecting all kinds of emotional investment from the player

the gunplay is worse, the game world is larger but a lot emptier, the visual design is just brown on brown action, the level design and modelling is just lazy (lots of objects show untextured faces or clip into eachother; rookie mistakes) and it is quite literally a Theme Park World in that most of the locations are literally centered around a theme park of some kind, and don't really relate to one another outside of the main quest directing you to them if you didn't already take care of them before seeing the meme house man

>say that the game has low damage except for a couple of way OP guns

>"and you have a decent weapon"

hmmmmmmmmm

Pretty much, Bethesda basically gave them a pile of shit to paint the Mona Lisa. Gamebryo and the frankenstein gamebryo Bethesda uses now are so awful and outdated. It blows my mind a company with as much money as Bethesda refuses to change from that shitheap.

cause it used fallout 3's engine

>all NV offers is worse gameplay

It literally has the same gameplay as FO3

overall pretty good pasta i rate it 8/10 and will be using it myself in the future, thanks bud

>Obsidian makes a shitty game full of bugs
>Blames the publisher
>Obsidiots eat the excuses up, and defend their shitty game to the death on Sup Forums
This has happened like, 6 or 7 times now. At what point do you wake up and realize Obsidian is just shit at making games?

>It literally has the same gameplay as FO3
yeah except with dogshit level design and worse weapon balance/progression.

[Perception] This is bait.

>obsidiot can't comprehend there are people who don't like his shitty game
what else is new

there's a new dress up dlc in the creation kit

keep mommy's card handy

>(lots of objects show untextured faces or clip into eachother; rookie mistakes
this really grinds my gears more than anything else about the game

it was a premium game, 70$ new, and that's how much I paid for it. and randomly walking around there's invisible walls, boxes that open into eachother, z-fighting in spots, like wtf nigger it's like playing babby's first counter strike map

[Intelligence 3/4] obsidiot can't comprehend there are people who don't like his shitty game

It's an RPG, not a shooter

Also, get good guns and increase skill in weapons you use, I'm at 100 energy weapons and have an upgraded holorifle from Dead Money and can kill most anything in one hit

going through metros full of ghouls was pretty meh.

>fnv gets criticised
>immediatly attack fo4
when the fuck did I ever say fo4 was any better? this is why you people are so pathetic: how sad is it that the only redeeming quality to your game is that it's better than fucking fallout 3/4.

>all NV offers is worse gameplay and quests
NV is literally Fallout 3 with more refined gameplay and intricate quests if you really get down to it, what exactly makes it worse?

>dogshit level design
I can agree on that somewhat
>worse weapon balance/progression
"no", are you trying to tell me that the game with the smaller quantity of actually useful weapons and far more egregiously overpowered ones has better weapon balance? Are you seriously telling me that the game that hands you a nuke launcher for free barely a quarter into the main story has better weapon progression?

still better than desert dust

What am I supposed to compare NV to? Cherry pie?

>the visual design is just brown on brown action

Because FO3 wasn't green on green action? You're trying a bit too hard there, friendo.

Because NV is literally just a F3 addon.

>worse weapon balance/progression
you can make a lot of arguments why FO3 is better than NV, and this is your choice? one of the few things where NV is the clear winner?

they ever come up with a reason for why he did it?
I hate country music too but that's a little extreme

My point is that it's your only claim to fame, and all FNV threads ever devolve to.
It's like if I praised myself for being smarter than a retard: Not an accomplishment

Ever tested new guns in a crowded city in an RPG before reloading a save? That's probably what he did. We've all just left in a parallel reality where he is "dead".

>they ever come up with a reason for why he did it?

As long as they can't blame Drumpf for it the media isn't interested.

>Bethesda
>Without Shitty ass 15 year old Gamebryo

Can't picture it, Their trash games are synonymous with that engine as far as I'm concerned.

the truth is, it was rigged from the start

Well, no shit. It still came out alright, though.

Mods can't replace the engine itself that's at the core of the game.

he probably just hates jason aldean

[common fucking sense] no they can't, it would be a whole new game if they did, then they would no longer be "mods", unless you consider every game made ever to be a mod of ping pong

its the lowest rated fallout lol

Ebin

spergtastic

well I found it interesting that CNN made an article saying "why does the motive even matter?" which suggests to me they are leaning towards motive being anti-trump in some way like was originally speculated

wtf i love fallout nv now

>New Vegas is bad

>which suggests to me they are leaning towards motive being anti-trump in some way like was originally speculated

It suggests they're trying to downplay MK-ULTRA programmed spooks still running around ready to go haywire like that fucking zombie at any minute.

>implying it's not

It's the highest selling fallout rofl

lowest statistically

The game is widely regarded as one of, if not the best in the series and was very successful. Why the fuck would they not have taken the contract?

>Only obsidiots and fedoralords like NV, I the superior intellectual know it to be a Reddit game!

Punching with the saturnine fist

...you do know it's reddit as fuck, right?

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Why can't Bethesda just port New Vegas onto the FO4 engine? You already have everything voiced and acted, no need to spend time on voiced protagonist etc etc. They can even milk everyone anew with their paid mods. What's stopping them? Instead they're making FO4 VR which is a shooting gallery? WTF.

3 was a shitheap. New Vegas plays the same but at least it is far more moddable and can be made to play and handle better. The base game is magnificent though and is entirely worth it. The gameplay does feel a lot better than 3.

>It's an RPG,
It's a pretty fuckin' bad one, since your stats basically don't matter, and only one route has any content, and two of the remaining three are the same content as the first.

>"no", are you trying to tell me that the game with the smaller quantity of actually useful weapons and far more egregiously overpowered ones
Dude what? In F3, most of the weapons are useful and usable. And what (non DLC) weapon is overpowered? Basically only the Chinese Pistol and Laser Pistol are complete trash, and the plasma rifle was powerful but not as powerful as the AMR or Gauss Gun are in NV.

The problem is that NV has 9001 guns, all of which are dogshit that are simply not worth using no matter what your build is. Some of them are really interesting and have interesting mods for them, but they just don't keep up with the level of enemies that use them. It is NEVER worth using things like the 9mm pistol, or the service rifle, even the cowboy repeater gets obsoleted incredibly quickly. The Hunting Rifle, Laser Rifle, AMR, and Gauss Gun are basically the only good (gun-type) weapons in the game, and you can get the Hunting Rifle and Laser Rifle really early.

>the game that hands you a nuke launcher for free barely a quarter into the main story has better weapon progression?
You can't exactly make it your daily driver, the ammo is reasonably limited and you can't exactly use it indoors. They at least have the courtesy of introducing it during a setpiece of sorts, too. And it's not like you can't just buy one in NV.

Everything wrong with F3 is also wrong in NV, but somehow worse. F3 is a bad game, but NV really actively tried to be even shittier.

F3 is more blue-gray, really.

That doesn't make any sense.

I truly weep at the thought of what New Vegas could have been had Obsidian had as much money as bethesda and was made without shitty ass gamebryo.

k

Yet another shitty game that Obsidian would have found someone else to blame for? Like literally all of their fucking games?

>noo vurgurz iz bud, Foolout tree is sooooo murch butter!

That's only because it's one of the best liked games on the board. Shitting on it will get angry responses almost immediately.
Also from butthurt bethesdrones who got their feelings hurt because the board collectively shat on FO4, but I don't expect many of those to actually be real.

>Why can't Bethesda just port New Vegas onto the FO4 engine?
Why would they?

You can still just buy NV on Steam and on consoles' respective download stores.

>noone here claiming fo3 is any good
>but fnvfags don't actually know how to do anything else but shit on 3

3 > new vegas

>It is NEVER worth using things like the 9mm pistol
What?
>or the service rifle
Blatantly wrong.
>Laser Rifle ... Gauss Gun ... (gun-type) weapons
They're energy weapons, though.
>the ammo is reasonably limited
It kills literally everything in one hit.
>you can't exactly use it indoors
Sure you can, just use VATS, which gives you 90% DR in FO3 for some reason.

Are you retarded? I can literally mow down a fucking army with a revolver with my build. my dude shits out crits like there's no tomorrow. Maybe try to make a decent build faggot

Who'd they blame Alpha Protocol on?

I fucking love for how fnvfags, it's either you like FNV, or you're suck bethesda's dick. I'ts like they're all completely unaware that 1&2 exist.

>fnvfags don't actually know how to do anything else but shit on 3
Look out now they'll call you todd

kill yourself

Dunno, but that just proves my point that it's obsidians fault all their games are buggy messes, and not the publishers as they claim

What did he mean by this?

the people here actually making arguments for why fnv suck agree fo3 sucks too, he's just baiting

>we're all just NPCs in a video game
>the protagonist is dead

How long until it runs out of steam and you start shitting on Deus Ex instead? You feed off of negative attention. If only you could afford therapy, things would change around here.

>NV bad

(You)
(You)
(also You)

>I can literally mow down a fucking army with a revolver with my build.
You can "mow down a fucking army" with literally any weapon because NV is a piss easy game, but basically every gun in the game that isn't the AMR or Gauss Gun will take many many rounds to do it

sorry but standing around clicking a man while standing still isn't my idea of fun gunplay, even if it is a viable tactic because NV gunplay is easy and bad

>E-ENERGY WEAPONS ARENT GUNS THEY USE THE ENERGY WEAPONS SKILL
wew lad, youre hopeless if your argument is as petty as "you called a laser gun and a gauss gun guns even tho they use the energy guns skill"

it's obvious from the context that I mean things in the game that cast projectiles of some sort

obsidian shills really are retarded

Imagine all of NV content with an acceptable action gameplay of FO4. Keeping the NV RPG systems intact ofcourse.

[Terrifying Presence] You'd better leave retard

See? They literally cannot comprehend someone critizing FNV. If someone does, then they go either MUH TODD or YOURE JUST TROLLING.
Deus Ex is a fantastic RPG, unlike FNV

What did he mean by this?

What I love is when they start attacking other games that bethesda has published, as if they had a hand in how the games they only publish are made.

The best I've seen yet was an FNV shill trying to call out Wolfenstien: TNO for being buggy because it's published by bethesda.

Engine from 2006.

>It's a pretty fuckin' bad one, since your stats basically don't matter, and only one route has any content, and two of the remaining three are the same content as the first

Now you're just lying.

>Imagine all of NV content with an acceptable action gameplay of FO4.
But both of those things are awful. I don't want any of those things.

>Deus Ex is a fantastic RPG, unlike FNV
true, in Deus Ex your choices actually have gameplay consequences, and while the voice acting is hilarious and the dialogue has generated many memes, it's not nearly as immersion-breakingly hamfisted.

...He's right. Fallout 3 was much better received than FNV. I don't think he was claiming Fo3 was good, just that they're both shit

>literally verbatim says NV is worse than 3
>somehow not trying to say 3 is better than NV
honestly I don't get what you're arguing at this point, the proof is in the pudding.