Little less than 3 weeks until all the good will Mania brought is undone

Little less than 3 weeks until all the good will Mania brought is undone.

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Denuvo already did that, senpai.

You are fucking dumb if you think goodwill for a 2D retro Sonic game would somehow "carry over" to the franchise at large rather than remain exclusive to its own niche.
You are also rather silly if you think the problem with Sonic is "goodwill" rather than SHIT ASS GAMES.

The two week delay for that was pretty bullshit, but at least under that Mania was still good and had other options aside from PC.

Forces though looks like a shitshow through and through.

Until Mania 2 brings it again

Reminder Universal picked up the rights to make a movie.

Sonic is dead, senpai.

That "two week delay" was the scummiest shit. Delay it, give you a free game with the delay that activates exactly two weeks before launch, don't announce denuvo until it drops, and when people try to refund it they can't since they'd have to refund the game they got two weeks ago and steam's lazy system automatically denies them 75% of the time.

I'm not excited about Forces but I was willing to give it a shot but after that horse crap I refuse to buy it (or any other Sega PC releases) full stop.

i enjoyed mania while it lasted
rip sonic the hedgehog

make the edgiest, cringe tier villain in sonic existence, somehow even beating shadow in cringe core, make him the most powerfull being in the fucking world

This is the first gameplay they show of his """power""""

youtube.com/watch?v=iqaP9GOYk-E

preorder unironically cancelled, looks so bad.

To think, all of this is happening because a bunch of fuck-ass Eggrobos found some weird gem on Angel Island.

Paramount, not Universal.

Fuck man, could've gotten a pretty good deal if the game didn't turn out shit. Right now it isn't even worth bargain bin price.

its just me or this 2017 game looks worse than generations?

a lot of games this gen look far worse than last gen games, this isn't the first.

Better than Sony.

Do those basic Badniks have a name yet?

What good? This game just came and went like a fart in the wind. Its fun for a week but then you get tired of running through the same stale environments youve already seen with a static camera and little meat to play with

I've been coming back to it fairly consistently, same as I do with 3&K. Once you get the hang of the drop dash it feels great to blast through levels.

Try looking for all the big rings.
There's usually 2-4 per act and you'll get to see the whole level that way.

>straight up ignored drop dash when I did my first run
>by now spam the shit out of it any time I jump

This shit is so useful, it honestly felt like something was off when I replayed Sonic CD after spending so much time on Mania since it wasn't there. Favorite thing is just stubbornly climbing inclines by jumping, holding the drop dash and then trying to hit an edge so I climb up it from there.

Why does he just fucking stand there let himself be wailed on? In the trailers they emphasize that he's faster than Sonic.

I bought Mania to support it and I'm going to fucking pirate the living shit out of Forces to bury it to the ground.

You know you fucked up when Taxman, Stealth, Tee, and a couple of fans can do better than a multi million dollar company.

>when you gotta promote forces but you'd rather be at home playing Mania

Already done this. The sad truth is that the 3D games have much more content, are more challenging, and are more dynamic thanks to cool cinematics and wild camera angles, things to collect, and S/A ranks to go after

I too enjoyed grinding out endless chores in SA1 and 2.
Furthermore I also liked seeing the game feed me S ranks even when I did terrible in later games since rank is effectively meaningless now.

More content is not inherently a good thing (Generations is a fun game but the challenge gates were pure filler and I wouldn't have enjoyed it less if they were gone outright, just as an example)

Jesus Christ this looks like a Unity fangame with asset rips from modern Sonic.

Doesnt matter. At the end there is simply more to do and the third dimension makes things more fun. But if you enjoy rolling down the same slope for 20 years like most of the Sonic autists claim, then more power to you. Im still trying to A rank everything in SA2, get all emblems in Heroes, and S rank a few DLC levels and finding all the multimedia collectibles in Sonic Unleashed. Colors and Generations have basic bitch content and no difficulty so those can be chewed through in a weekend

>he hasn't unlocked green hill in SA2
You must really suck my guy. I've already 100%ed all those games and I can say for certain that almost all of it was filler. Very rarely was it ever something challanging or interesting
I almost didn't even finish heroes because the menuing for the second emblem on every level was ultra cancer.

I did, but on gamecube. Im talking about the 2012 360 and pc release

>At the end there is simply more to do

Can you read?

>More content is not inherently a good thing

Play Nights into Dreams and then Journey of Dreams back to back. JoD has way more content than NiD but if you tell me with a straight face you enjoy the awful platforming sections or the retarded minigame missions then I really need to know just what is going on in that brain of yours.

>get all emblems in Heroes

Heroes is fucking awful and even if you disagree you can't tell me with a straight face that it isn't just "literally replaying the same couple of levels four times in a row with some small changes."

I'll have to rescind my statement of you being bad then.
Why you'd subject yourself to chao grind hell a second time I'll never know though.

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>faster and stronger than Sonic and just as much edge to back it up
>throws a few slow cube walls up from the ground and then floats menacingly.

I don't think you could design a more substandard "boss" if you tried. It's like a cookie cutter shit you could possibly make as a boss. Christ.

>here guys! more oc gameplay and a infinite boss fight!
>what? sonic? who is sonic?

I bet 400 rings from that Casino Forest, that after this game gets bashed for how disappointed it will be that Iizuka-sama will say that they never wasted 4 years in this and only started working early last year

>100%'ing SA2

Oh god, those S-Rank missions on the highway levels with Rouge & Tails where you had to avoid touching any cars and beat the level under the par time.

Fuck those.

>3D sonic fans now out number true sonic fans by a massive margin

Thats f-fine I never liked sonic anyway. honest.

I, for the life of me, don't quite understand this sentence. 3D sonic fans are not true sonic fans, or we're not true fans because we don't like Forces and should just accept it as.. Sonic...fans?

i still didn't play it because of that

I don't actually know why you think pirating is going to "bury it into the ground". Seems like a waste of disk space to pirate a game you're not even gonna play.

Im just a completionist at heart I guess, and Sonic is my favorite series. Ive already done all emblems and super hard on heroes gamecube, working on xbox now. Chao garden is boring but I just check it after playing a few levels, its not a big deal. Its the same with Sonic Unleashed, I made another account on 360 (since it can't have 2 save files) just to have another go.

I hope you dont misunderstand me. I dont think the 2D games are bad, its just that you beat them a few times, do a little time attack, and thats....really just about it for a few years until you get the urge to have another go. For instance, last time i played a 2D sonic besides mania was in 2013 or 14, with sonic 2. Going forward, its time they they look to previous 2D sonic games like rush and episode 4 part 2, which had rankings and collectibles to find respectively. Something to make those points and doing well worth while, a mark. Thats all im saying.

>getting all trophies/achievs on Unleashed
>Eggmanland hotdog stand

Nah, i will pass.

There are no S-ranks on SA2, max is A. But you are right about those kart missions, fuck them.

I know that feel bro.
>watch Sonic Mania YouTube vids from the official Sonic channel
>countless comments saying they can't wait until they're done with Mania so that they can talk about the trash that is Forces
>Forces related content constantly doubles the number of Mania views in a fraction of the time
This isn't the time line I wanted to live in.

>pirating forces
Why? You can't possibly still be interested in playing it after seeing all the footage so far.

Just pirate it, senpai.

>wasting HD space by pirating Sonic: DeviantArt Edition
look at this fuckwit
look at him and laugh

>I'm going to fucking pirate the living shit out of Forces
How exactly do you do that; do you re-download it again? You aren't stealing their precious ones and zeroes that they have to extract using child slave labor from the Binary Mines. All pirating shows is that you want the game but won't pay the asking price. Much better to the message that it is unwelcome period.

After listening to the abomination of the new Green Hill Zone theme I don't even want to see gameplay of this game. How can you even fuck up the MUSIC in a Sonic game, the only thing that has been consistently good in 99% of the games in the franchise?

Sonic "fans" in the context of those who play the games, hate Forces. Forces appeals to those people who wrote fan fiction and made custom characters all these years

But how do you think the series has been going since 1999? With 5 sales? Look at the Sonic Generations mods, its all for modern sonic and primarily in 3D. What is the main complaint of the modern games post Colors? How they are 2D for 80% of the game. What is loathed about Forces? How every footage is 2D. People have always loved 3D sonic and always will. Get out of the Sup Forums and sonic retro echo chamber and realize that IGN and metacritic isn't the gospel of sonic

That's probably one of the first bosses, you'll almost certainly fight him more than once. But I expect zero challenge in any of the custom character stuff, they have to build levels for 3 different weapons and the tag team boost being unfailable has shown they are going for style over substance.

What good will? I loved Mania like any person with taste would but it is quite obviously a once-off and we knew right from the start that the shit game was still coming. Mania has done nothing for the state of the Sonic franchise because it does not represent its future. Sonic is still a wreck.

>because it does not represent its future
What makes you think the Mania team won't ever get to make another game?

I can understand your perspective I think, but what makes the classic games more appealing to me is how much of a difference tiny bits of skill make in how you approach levels in general. Knowing how slopes and rolling will affect jumps opens up loads of movement option so just getting from Point A to Point B feels good.
Making sick jumps and abusing downslope jumps for ludicrous speeds is just satisfying to do even if it isn't for speedrunning. I felt like such a brainlet when I recently figured out how to get the bubble shield on top of the loop in hydrocity, but after mania encouraged me to experiment with the physics more the answer was so obvious.

Most modern sonic games lack movement options that aren't strictly basic. Only Unleashed stood out to me as having tech that mattered, but even then most of those were glitches. The adventure era games were a little bit better about this, but being good usually just meant skipping large parts of the level instead of finding secret areas and bonuses. Personally I can see the appeal, but something was definitely lost in the transition to 3D.

>How can you even fuck up the MUSIC in a Sonic game, the only thing that has been consistently good in 99% of the games in the franchise?
youtube.com/watch?v=6o47N-aYd08

I know, that's why I said 99% of the franchise.

user, I'm not sure what spin you're attempting to put on this game, the whole echo chamber thing. The game looks bad, 3d, and 2d. It looks like a step backwards from generations.

>bad games in a series make previous good games retroactively bad!
flawless logic, Sup Forums

Blew my goddamn mind when I realized this was a "remix' of youtube.com/watch?v=Mf7-ixllcgo

You misunderstand.
Bad games in a series make people lose faith in the company producing the games. Mania gave people hope that things were getting better, but it's looking like Sonic team doesn't know how to learn.

youtube.com/watch?v=Js7ImHEeJQM

lets just give them sonic mania, with 3d, but also in 2d, but the level design is shit, and you're the oc and then fuck it why don't we just fuck with the physics and really ruin it-- and here, while we're at it

lets just add QTE, PEOPLE LOVE THOSE.

youtube.com/watch?v=Js7ImHEeJQM

keep your eyes on the eggman mechs, egg man literally made mechs and said "alright, robots, this time, we want to give the sonic guys a fair chance, so just DON'T MOVE. let them kill you, cool? alright good luck"

Has Sega said anything about whether they're pleased or not with its sales?

I would legit love a Mania 2, but I kinda doubt we're getting it. I think it'd be cool to see an officially spin on the Sonic Classic Heroes romhack, where you take Heroes' team mechanic and put it into actually well-designed levels.

>completionist at heart

Sooo, you already got the Untouchable achiev/trophy?

this looks like it had a six month dev time

Im not trying to spin anything. Forces is easily one of the worst sonic games, up there with r, shadow, 3D blast, 06, boom and so on

The funny thing is this is the game that heralded the decline of quality in Bioware that nobody saw coming. My guess is Sonic gave Bioware autism.

I can assure you, Mania sold gangbusters on the switch alone. Mania will get some kind of sequel, but the catch will be

its directed by lizuka and not mania team, they'll take whiteheads engine and do it themselves. go on, tell me japs aren't that petty. you have no idea how DISHONARBRU they're over there. the fact a bunch of ganjin outdid them is probably fucking -killing- the higher ups at sega of japan.

Because we can't have nice things. Because Sega is amazingly retarded and determined to fail. How can you have any hope?

Oh, and if you think that's bad...
youtube.com/watch?v=oOcYaPb3zDg

Isn't Iizuka in America? And he was the one that gave Whitehead the go ahead and supported him?

I think Iizuka is a moron, but I dunno if he's that vindictive.

FYI, Dark Brotherhood was handled by Bioware's mobile team at the time (this was just before the EA acquisition), and the mobile team had a history arguably worse than main Bioware.

>when the release day is in 2 weeks and your boss tells you you were supposed to make your own soundtrack, but you didn't so you just rip midis of the internet and don't accomodate for the DS sound quality at all
Chronicles is such a shitshow. Anyone who likes the ost is a contrarian piece of shit or a human being for which the concept of good taste is a foreign element.

>let another team handle classic Sonic
>it works! gameplay works! physic and momentum back! people want more!
>let Sonic Team handle another modern Sonic
>mix feels. looks inferior to Generations a game released 6 years ago. everyone at war camp again

How hard is to understand Iizuka Team needs to go?

I'd like to see whitehead and a decently sized team take a crack at taking the sonic adventure levels and expanding and polishing them. I think adventure stages could be incredibly interesting with branching paths and buckets of polish.

Iizuka speaks corporate, there is no repentance and there are no excuses. Also you can only hold a maximum of 100 rings in this game so you can't make that bet.

One upside to the two week delay which was likely sheer coincidence is that the PC release was on Michael Jackson's birthday. So woohoo I guess.

Have all achievements in all 360 Sonic games besides Free Riders since I dont have a kinect and like 3 missing from SA2.

I agree with all of that said. 2D and 3D sonic are completely different things. One is more about the environments and finding the quirks of the physics engine. Before putting mania down I went to at least the top 50 in every level in time attack. I prefer straightforward objectives and goals that are written by the game and are always static (get X points to get A/S rank etc) and nearly all 3D sonic games have that. As far as movement options, adventure and unleashed are your best bets. But even knowing how 2D and 3D works, I still find sonic unleashed more fun to speedrun thanks to the advanced graphics and sense of speed is much more invigorating. TLDR I find both to be fun, but 3D just has more meat to it and more to do and achieve that I find myself coming back to for literal years

The best, biggest kicker for this game, isn't the actual game itself

The guy who wrote the story for Sonic 06, is writing the story Forces. How do you fuck up so fucking hard, and then get another shot? Does Sega just never branch out because of honour, are they scared to hire new blood? Saying that, Mania makes that a null point, but that wasn't the mainline 3d sonic games.

>Sonic Team is making another Sonic

Just put them to work on a Phantasy Star game; their track record there seems to be better.

>rings cap at 100
>in a game where you can't repick up rings after getting hit
When did they say there's a ring cap? That would totally defeat the purpose of having rings for score and rings for HP since every ring past the cap is useless and every ring besides the first doesn't matter for HP.

MJ would of loved Sonic Mania.

>tfw if he was still alive he would of made a track for it, 100%. god fucking damn it.

yeah, i can imagine him in his bedroom and a bunch of little children playing it

That and Puyo Puyo. Sonic Team is pretty good when they aren't doing Sonic.

>The guy who wrote the story for Sonic 06, is writing the story for Forces

Sweet titty-fucking christ on a cracker, this deal just keeps getting better all the time

>"If you don't conform to this specific circlejerk you're not a REAL Sonic fan!"

In terms of sheer autism this fanbase never disappoints.

Look at the new footage, my dude.
youtube.com/watch?v=Y0A48YOJ2GA

And someone from Lost World... For some reason even that faggot from Lost World is back.
Or why Infinite seems a mix of Shadow "speed"(aka teleportation YEAH) + Mephiles shit

Doesnt the game look like Lost World repurposed with some of the awful controls and level design of Colors? So gameplay wise, its a mix of Lost World and Colors, and storywise, its from the 2006 writers...

Sonic Adventure but good would probably be the best 3D Sonic game.

REAL Sonic fans ship SonicxSally fuck Amy and FUCK "Egg-Man" his name is Ro-butt-nik

Maybe it's custom character only?
Either way that's a really stupid change that misses the point of rings entirely.
I kind of understand since you only lose some rings when you get hit, but it's almost like they just stapled the Sonic boom ring mechanics onto the game just because.
This only makes it more obvious that the custom character was originally going to be Boom Sonic.

>all the good will Mania brought

such as?

He really isn't.

People like to say he and Sonic Team are considering they helped out a lot on Mania.

Iizuka does dumb shit but he isn't some vindictive cunt with an axe to grind against some contract devs.

Especially when they decided to split the franchise by making two universes for specific audiences

>Classic Sonic for the old school fans and purist
>Modern Sonic for the kids, marketing and autist

youtube.com/watch?v=dgVcSVl8wdg

You know what to do, Sega. Worked with Mania, it'll work here. Before anybody goes on a tangent on how it's too open, this is a test level to allow you to get the feel of the world and physics, see 1:37 onwards where he rolls into a ball and goes into a dip and we see for the first time in a Sonic game, PHYSICS. Something Sonic Team have no idea how to fucking do.

Move your game onto the fans, Sega, and work on your other IPs.

>Download Forces 100 times and then delete them

Haha, take that Sega!

I mean you can't do much about kids. They aren't gonna find saturn esque graphics appealing or know how big a deal taxman and stealth are.

>the thousands of copy pasted rings everywhere
>can only get 100 of them

At least before you could have said it was for the OC shop but now they're completely useless. Unless this was some hamfisted attempt at making it less easy to buy items in the shop. Either way it's fucking retarded.

B-b-but pirating affects sales!

Don't play dumb you retard.

Playing dumb is Sup Forums's specialty.

Other footages had nothing on screen, like the casino level. Sega is marketting this so bad i wouldnt be surprised if that footage is some older built with a retarded limit ring cap, because with all those rings on the levels and the oc shop wouldnt make sense at all

Imagine being Aaron in that scene and having to be all like "damn, Forces, you fuckin' fine, all badass with your edgy story and original characters. I would totally play with you, both modern and classic sonic." when all he really wants to do is play Mania in his dressing room. Like seriously imagine having to be Aaron and not only sit in that chair while Iizuka flaunts his disgusting physics in front of you, the hedgehog engine barely concealing his plastic models and linear levels, and just sit there, death after death, level after level, while he perfected that double boost. Not only having to tolerate his monstrous fucking ring placement but his haughty attitude as everyone on set tells him Sonic Team's STILL GOT IT and DAMN, FORCES LOOKS LIKE *THAT*?? because they're not the ones who have to sit there and watch his straightforward fucking level design contort into types of corridors you didn't even know existed before that day. You've been posting nothing but a healthy diet of memes and jokes and later alleged autist shaming for your ENTIRE CAREER coming straight out of the burns in Twitter. You've never even seen anything this fucking disgusting before, and now you swear you can taste the fire that's breaking out on his dimpled wispon as he sucks it in to BURST! BURST! BURST! it suggestively at you, smugly assured that you are enjoying the opportunity to get paid to sit there and shill Forces' "self-aware (for that is what he calls it)" humor, the humor he worked so hard for with the Colors team in the previous 4 years. And then the director calls for another gameplay reveal, and you know you could kill every single person in this room before the studio security could put you down, but you sit there and endure, because you're fucking Aaron. You're not going to lose your PR career over this. Just bear it. Hide your face and bear it.