"Durr Nu Vegas haz gud riting"

Ulysses
>incoherent blather about bears and bulls
>"I don't blame you for the Divide''s destruction (except I do)
>"Now Imma blow up everyone coz I mad about stuff"
Legion
>We wuz Romans an sheet
>We have best civilization
>hate education and medicine
Great Khans
>drug pushing dindus of the Mojave
>think they're badass
>get BTFO'd by NCR
>"waah, we wuz wimmin an' kids an sheet, feel sorry for us!"
Strip families
>hurr we're mobstas, dontchu mess wit' us
Courier
>get jumped on route
>go on revenge quest
>can forget about it
>get caught in power struggle you have no stake in
>bland user

yeah Ulysses was actually pretty bad in hindsight haha

People, especially Sup Forums, unironically think he is a Hemingway-tier character. He was Josh Sawyer's self-insert.

Ulysses was written to be a tribal retard who sees meaning in things and symbols that aren't there. When he see's your cunt ass blow up his new home he has a stupidly hard time justifying anything to himself since you seemingly weren't concerned with shit like that while you were a mailman who's spurs went jingle jangle jingle.
At least that's what I got from the whole exchange.

>tribal retard
>sees symbols where none exist
You know, after about 10 playthroughs and never being able to decipher Ulysses' blather, that is actually an interpretation of him that makes his character seem not completely shitty. God bless you, user!

some of the responses you can give to Ulysses are directly along these lines too

his incoherent blather is supposed to be incoherent and the courier recognizes he's just babbling about muh old world muh divide and being a dramatic faggot

You should know Sawyer didn't write or direct Lonesome Road, it was all Avellone. He wanted Fallout to return to its post-apocalypse roots, the world was getting too developed.

What? Ulysses and Lonesome Road at large was Chris Avellone's brain-child.

I don't know how it escaped you when he talked about the symbolism of shit like hair beads.
>They... had taken my braids, the way of the Twisted Hairs, as if it showed they were like me, of me... while every knot in their braids spoke of raping, violence - and ignorance of what the knots meant. They thought to show respect... defiled it. Lost myself in trying to read the braids they wove, when I remembered they had put no meaning in it. They had no history of what it meant. They didn't even know the insult in the twists, knots...

I get the two mixed up.

Who. Gives. A. Flying. Fuck.

You can just admit you were wrong we won't laugh at you too much.

You're an idiot.

In essence I did. Forgive me Senpai

Ulysses really was shit. I think it's because he was supposed to basically be on the same level as the Courier? But they weren't exactly sure how to write that? Either way.
And yeah, Caesar's Legion was way too underdeveloped
>no Caesar specific companions
>barely any Caesar specific missions that didn't have NCR counterparts
>locking the Lucky Shades behind the least useful ally you could possibly have

Also basically no Enclave. That made me mad.
Still loved its writing though.

>This character is badly written
>No you just haven't read anything about him
>WOW WHO CARES I PLAY MY RPG'S CODED IN FUCKING GAMEBRYO FOR THE THRILLING ACTION

I mean, it's pretty clear exactly what he's talking about. Twisted hairs had some culture, a large part of that was tribal symbolism, expressed through the different ways they could weave and braid their hairs. Once incorporated into the Legion, their tribal identity was snuffed, as it must be for the Legion to remain coherent. In doing so, as all great cultures do, they took the pieces and parts of his culture, and brought it into their own, Some members of the legion, might have begun to braid their hair the way the Twisted hairs did, but like all cultures absorbed into a monolithic society

You pissed off the fnvfags, prepare for MUH TODD posting

And that I commend him for. It WAS getting too developed. As much as I hated Ulysses as a character, Lonesome Road was my favorite DLC of New Vegas. I just wish they had done more with it. It was too short and linear.

Entered that early. Anyways, the end product they got was that people began to, and I really fucking hate to use this term, culturally appropriate him. When he speaks of them weaving rape and violence into their hair, it's either a metaphor for the violence done unto his tribe, or a literal thing, meaning the style in which they've woven their hair, to his old tribe, would represent Rape and Violence.

Sure, but it also shows that he looks for symbolism in practically everything.

It's about time someone stood up to them and expressed an independent thought.

Still better than Fallout 3's dumpster fire writing.

I'm more with Sawyer on this one, I want to see what post-war societies develop in the shadows of the ruins of dead societies.

Also I hate those goddamn tunnelers

Oh I don't deny that, I take Ulysses not to only be searching for symbolism, as Caesar did take him under his wing, teach him to use those symbols in his frumentarii work, but that he's searching for meaning. Ulysses has a tough exterior, but it's obvious that what the Legion did to his tribe was tantamount to genocide, both culturally and literally. It's like Josuha said in HH, when all else is gone, you always have family, and family always has tribe. Caesar goes out of his way to extinguish that, to incorporate tribe into a bigger family, and to cut old ties. Ulysses basically was forced to watched his people get erased, becoming faceless men of the Legion, it's pretty grim when you actually think about.

>you just haven't read anything about him
user, I have played Lonesome Road to the tune of about 15 times and pored over the wiki for years trying to decode him.

My scholarly conclusion is that Ulysses is a pretentious and overrated character whom only shills defend.

Pretty much this.
The whole DLC story arc is filled with characters who suffer delusions and can't let go of the past. Ulysses is no different. Instead of breaking into casino vaults, having that good ol' old world blues, or suffering grief over total warfare, Ulysses decided that the Courier's surprise delivery was emblematic of something other than piss poor luck and wanted to prove it in his own delirious way.

Don't forget the 30 minute conversation at the start of OWB

You caught me I'm shilling for a 7 year old game, who else would argue against your fucking retarded opinion
Read a book nigga, his character is so obviously written to be borderline satire of people who dissect every frame of a movie for hidden meaning and add their own where none exists.
There's an image (that I can't find) of a scene from Breaking Bad where basically everything is labelled as having some sort of meaning, like the napkins on the table symbolizing money separating Walter and Skylar. That's basically Ulysses character and I haven't played the game in like 3 years.

Disregard that I suck cock

Best side quest ever. Writing and execution were both top notch. Better than the dlc that includes it, better than the others too (apart from dead money. And lonesome road had great atmosphere too).

Randall... Had a hard life.

tfw you realize he's the "father in the cave"

You're kidding right? Most of Sup Forums hates Lonesome Road and thinks Ulysses was poorly written

This. That side quest was 50,000 shades of grim.

>"describing characters and factions in retard speak is criticism"
You have to be 18 to use this site

Actually, that never once occurred to me. Mostly because NV fanboys will emit an ear-blistering chorus of REEEEEEEEE BETHBABBY if you ever say anything remotely critical of NV, no matter how valid.

Ulysses was silly, but the Divide itself was great. Gave off a much better "final dungeon" vibe than the somewhat anti-climatic battle of Hoover Dam and its final boss being a dude who you have zero personal quarrel with and heard about only from other guys. Ulysses also at least had buildup both through hearsay from other characters and having the guy himself ramble a lot before you actually meet him.

Ulysses was silly but I thought his babbling kind of added to the atmosphere of the Divide honestly, he's constantly being comically bleak which fits the Divide pretty perfectly. That said it's still not my favorite NV DLC but it's not the worst one either

>Ulysses
>"Now Imma blow up everyone coz I mad about stuff"

>Courier
>go on revenge quest
These two are exactly the same.
HE IS LIKE THE PLAYER.

Gets fucking pissed off and takes revenge on the whole world. You WOULD do that. And yes, you DO that throughout the game. Even if you don't follow the main plot, you could still get upset about something and just start killing everyone in the world. Or maybe you don't get upset and just start killing people for the hell of it. For the lulz.
Ulyssess is the "bad guy" for doing the EXACT same thing you are doing at times, he is just like the player, you fucking psychopath.

nigga no one thinks that

Ulysses doesn't do it for the lulz, unlike me. He is justifying his madness behind a contrived, imaginary grievance.

>enclave remnants

idk what you expect, the enclave in fallout 3 was a stretch.

>Being mad at someone for nuking your home is "a contrived, imaginary grievance"

Well yeah, so could do you, at times.
What if at the halfway through the game, when you had established your house, like in Novac or whatever, and stashed rare loots and weapons worth of 50 hours there. Then all of a sudden a guy called "Alyssess" bombs the whole place down with no intent of harming you. Your whole home and stuff is leveled. Would you not go on a rampage or seek revenge or just think FUCK THIS GAME AND WORLD I WILL FUCKING KILL EVERYONE

The courier didn't nuke his home, he just brought the bomb there unknowingly

That's like saying "Hitler didn't kill 12 million people, he just ordered them to be sent to death camps."

I also have a hard time believing Ulysses and Courier had never once crossed paths, and yet somehow U knows everything about him.

Hitler didn't kill 12 million people though :^)

We're speaking purely hypothetical here

What bugs me the most about the Legion is that their long-term plan is never discussed anywhere, even by Caesar himself. NCR has elections, House is immortal, Independent path gives the Courier access to House's tech not to mention he has cheat mode Big Empty scientists at his disposal as well.

What does the Legion have? New Vegas becomes Rome 2.0 and then what? Even if Caesar survives his tumor he's still a mere man, and in some discussions he clearly says Lanius doesn't hold Legion ideals in high regard and that he only follows Caesar personally, yet he's the named heir. I would've liked if the game or ending slides had shit about the long-term plan of the Legion, maybe the Courier becoming Caesar's eventual successor or Caesar's motivation for conquering New Vegas being revealed to be about getting his hands on House's lifespan tech, which would even fit his character since he already uses Old World luxuries to treat himself.

Courier didn't even bring a bomb. The nukes were already hidden deep within the Divide. Courier unknowingly delivered the detonator, likely sent by someone completely else.
Ulysses rages at the mailman rather than who sent it, though I guess his whole shtick was being obsessed with small people causing great changes in history, even unintentionally.

Courier had absolutely no way of knowing the package would set off the Divide's nukes. The Courier built the Divide, he would never have wanted to destroy it.

...

Legion is essentially a mash-up of ancient Rome, /leftypol/, and Roosh V. They're a pack of halfwit tribals who are all equal in slavery (though some are more equal than others).

The only thing Ulysses ever said that made sense to me was that the Legion would "reach the sea then collapse upon itself.

Literally no one has said that. That's ignoring the fact that most people here probably haven't read Hemingway.

What is your favorite faction?

Ulysses is cringy, yeah. The rest is just Sup Forums contra-contrarian bullshit, AKA bait.

>People, especially Sup Forums, unironically think he is a Hemingway-tier character.
I haven't heard anyone on any forum, let alone Sup Forums, ever claim anything even remotely close to this. You're a lying faggot

>not Absoutely Moronic

>Josh Sawyer's self-insert
Except he was written and created by Avellone, who also directed all of Lonesome Road, you fucking faggot. Stop pretending you know what you're talking about.

>Vault Dweller wiped out the Khans
>They're still around 200 years later

The Khans are too tough to give a shit about canon, that's how tough they are.

>Hemingway
>good

How's first year college going? Fitting in with the other pseuds?

Obsidian breaks canon
>NVfags say nothing
Bethesda breaks canon
>REEEEEEEEEEEE

One dude survived. Who rebuilt the Khans in FO2. Then the New Khans were 99% genocided and a few that survived rebuilt.

Caesar actually offers you some insight into his long term plan if you discuss it with him. He goes into Hegelian dialectics and believes that conquering the NCR will transform both states into a synthesis of each other, working similarly to the Roman Senate. Strength and synergy, without the cult of personality or corruption of its legislators.

This requires some serious psychohistorical analysis to actually pull off correctly, but Caesar might just be playing some 4D chess over the rest of the wasteland's heads. Of course, we'll never know since Obsidian never got the opportunity to flesh out the Legion as much as they wanted to.

Tibs bedora :D

>flaregun
>hatchet

I wish Lanius was a woman.

Too bad the sorrows became overly pacifistic fuckwits anyway. Making them side with joshua would have made Randy daddy proud.

no one thinks that, do you even browse Sup Forums ?

I read a theory about how Caesar knows the Legion is doomed to fail just like the Roman empire it's based on, but that he believes if the framework is set up right, it'll become a powerful influence/foundation for future civilizations and help them advance, again just like the Roman empire

We've already gone over the Hegelian dialectics meme many times user. Shit doesn't work because the Legion sees Caesar as a fucking god and if he dies so does their belief.

>likely sent by someone else

It was delivered from the NCR to the soldiers stationed in Hopeville since it was somehow related to the USA military base there. Something went wrong and the whole Divide went kablooey.

>Hegelian dialectics
>4D chess

Hence why he wants vegas as a capital before he dies.

I never equated them, and I said Caesar "might" be. With the material we see in-game, we can assume that the Legion is summarily fucked after Caesar dies and they're doomed to fail even if he doesn't. But I don't think that was the path Obsidian intended for the Legion, and that's what gives me the idea that they could've been a viable option had we been able to do more for them/learn more about them.

This kind of grabbing at straws to justify below-shit-tier-written characters like the Legion is why NV is a great game ruined by a cancer fanbase. The NV fanbase is now on par with FNAF, Undertale, and Half-Life, shamelessly holding up their personal headcanon as gospel truth.

Get over yourself

Caesar has delusions of grandeur and leads a band of conquering thugs
There will be no synthesis of culture seeing the legion doesn't have a culture, it's just a big band of raiders in costumes
People seem to get confused and take Caesar's in-game words as objective truth seeing they've never encountered a lying or delusional video game character who wasn't incredibly obvious about it

You sound very educated, why are you wasting your time posting on Sup Forums

>Hurr... I can make anything sound really bad when I summarize it like it's stupid.

Man Tycho had style.

>Caesar's Legion was way too underdeveloped.
That was Bethesda's fault for constraining them to such a tight, short time schedule.
>No Enclave
Can there ever be after what Fallout 2 and 3 did to them?

You can even discount 3 on that one.
Though i think NV would have been pushed further into obscurity if it was given more dev time, seeing as Skyrim was just over the horizon.

>wahhhhh everything is Bethesda's fault

Am I the only one who enjoyed the metro system in 3?

Brainlets who meme-hate because they couldn't mindlessly rely on custom WPs to navigete them need not reply

>I couldn't enjoy the writing because of the community now
Grow a spine faggot

I'm actually thinking about replaying 3, I haven't touched it since like a year after it came out. It had a lot of problems but it wasn't as horrible as people made it out to be

Might wanna stop pulling on the straws there farmer billy.

>grabbing at straws
You are told exactly this, this isn’t some cobbled together headcanon, Caesar TELLS YOU.

Not that bad really. A puddle it might be its still wide, some of the writing outside the main quest is enjoyable.

Who hurt you?

>am I the only one who enjoyed lazy locations filled with ghouls

>Run along giant flat yellow
>Legion/NCR assassin quartet spawns
>they magically know where you are
>either fight or run out of their LOS and hid behind a rock untill they fuck off
>cazadors xD

I enojyed them the first 3 or 4 times.
Then it got fucking repetitive.

Never noticed the bullet holes in the duster.

i wish all fnvfags would fuck off back to /r/eddit

As if 3 and its random encounter spawns were better and more subtle.

Random encounter spawns didnt magically know your location and run towards you

The entire game is trivialized by around level 10 because of the fact that areas are leveled. As bad as scaling content is, you can't have this kind of open world game without it. They tried to hide it with invisible walls, but that's just covering a bigger problem with a smaller one in the hopes that people don't notice.

I remember Talon mercs doing exactly just that, friendo.
Its what these hitquads were designed to do.