Is Talion the most overpowered character in Middle Earth?

Is Talion the most overpowered character in Middle Earth?

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He's not even canon so who cares?

The shit eating mary sue is now canon nazgul witth the hidden ending where he THE PLANTIR TALION STOP WASTING TIME ON A CHINESE BASKET WEAVING IMAGE BOARD

Shadow of war is canon

Talion is in LOTR

Tom still would rekt him

no, celebrimbor is

*vaults over you and pulls execution combo*

pssh

>they both got shited by Sauron

gee i dunno OP...

Why didn't they use music from the films, or Uruk hai designs from the films?

You'd think they would have the licensing rights

Talion literally defeats a Balrog in this game

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Talion could 1v1 Tom

No he doesnt. He rides on the back of a demi god who defeats a Balrog then stabs a necromancer before he can bring said Balrog back to life

Tom Bombadil DLC when? Btw I already had that special orc made after the dead developer who came rescuing me, that was moving.

>"Old Tom Bombadil is a merry fellow, Bright blue his jacket is, and his boots are yellow. None have ever caught him yet, for Tom, he is the master: His songs are stronger songs, and his feet are faster."

He literally failed at everything.
>I have to save Minas Ithil
>It falls to sauron
>I have to kill sauron
Fails to kill him
>I have to kill wraith king
Fails, joins him instead as Nazgul
>I have to do something
Dies off screen

LOL

And I literally beat my penis twice everyday. Doesn't mean that within a few hours it doesn't demonstrate it's power over me with little effort.

Please enjoy your rejected music from Star Wars instead

tfw tom is canonically stronger than any character because of this line

his power level is [your oc] + 1

snorts loudly

uhhh, Illuvatar. /thread

So Tom

DON'T MIND ME JUST RUINING YOUR RHYTHM FOR 2000TH TIME

>illuvatar
>in middle earth

Good thing BALROG IS NOT SAURON RIGHT?

Literally the same league

Balrogs are the same species as Gandalf

Dude, tom bombadil could literally sneeze talion out of existance. Talion is strong, but far from the strongest, hell, gandalf is stronger than talion, but he keeps his power in check during the events of lord of the rings since he is required to fight as a human and is only allowed magic against nazguls or beings as such

Oh yeah Gandalf the Guy tha shits in fear of Sauron?Gee user you are really helping you case here...

>He rides on the back of a demi god who defeats a Balrog then stabs a necromancer before he can bring said Balrog back to life

What the fuck is this shit?

>gay little elf prince can dominate Sauron in a fight
>Talion wouldn't

pfft

>Maggot-Nest starts to speak
>Grog Maker starts to speak
>Bard starts to speak
>Nazgul starts to fucking speak
Jesus fucking Christ, Talion stop respecting your enemies enough to let them finish their intros. Just shoot them in the fucking face already and get the Palantir.

no he doesn't, he just puts it back to sleep.

he's not even the most overpowered character in his own game, let alone Middle Earth with OP fucks like Tom and Morgoth

Not true. Sauron is the only one who can use the true power of the one ring, which is the power of a literal god, so sauron when equipped with it is akin to a god, while a balrog is a demigod at best, and a balrog while incredibly strong is nowhere near as strong as gandalf

Canon.

Gandalf is heavily nerfed

>gay little elf prince

Fingolfin would have a word with you

A glorfied excuse to have a kaiju fight

Carnan vs Sauron

who would win

>Balrog back to life
>canon

Is those niggas serious?

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Tom is by far the most op

good shit

I wish they didn't make Sauron a gay little long haired boy in this game

Should have kept the armour on at all times

No. None of the game is canon. They just try to tie it into shit that happens in the Lord of the Rings.

Sauron appearing as an elf to deceive elves is from the books.

Is he just being Annatar?

Treebeard

What is Saurons true form

Balrogs are chicken shit to the stronger characters of LOTR, not super weak in the age of men i guess

Nope, not canon. Even if he was he’d lose to Tom Bombadil

Was it ever depicted or described? I don't think so since even the armored up Sauron isn't his true form.

Is Gandalf showing his true form?

If he is a nazgul, then he is weak to water

Doubt it. Balrogs and the Valar are the same types of beings yet their depictions are all drastically different from each other.

>Shadow of war is canon

Did the balrogs hold a meeting then and discussed how they would all look

Nope, they may be ainur, but balrogs are maiar, inferior to valar

Oh shit you're right. I stand corrected.

Nah I was mistaken, they're not the same types of beings. But I really doubt Gandalf or any of the other Valar show their true forms.

Wait, what? Isn't the game set after the Fall of Numenor? How can Sauron show up as Annatar then? Or is this a flashback-only thing?

Sauron lost his true form since the first age

Nah, i was just supposing, i haven't played that game, but it match with that description

Flashbacks. That said, is there any canon reason he couldn't appear as Annatar anymore?

Sauron became unable to take the form of anything not spooky after the Fall of Numenor.

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>tfw you aren’t 25 so you can’t watch Lord of the Rings

Weren't balrogs created by morgoth? I assume that he designed their forms so they all look like spooky fire demons, they didnt just do it themselves

Nope, they are fire maiar, like Galdalf, they only were corrupted

Nah, Balrogs are Maiar that were converted by Morgoth, same thing as Sauron in that sense.

Morgoth can't create shit, only corrupt.

The Balrog was buried until a frozen lake by Carnan. Zog the necromancer was trying to raise it and you interrupt the ritual. The Balrog never actually reacts to the necromancy so its not exactly lore breaking so much as Talion and Zog simply thinking it would work

I see, now that i think about it, besides Sauron being called the necromancer, is there any evidence of necromancy being used in Tolkien lore?

Well the Nazgul are a pretty fuck huge example of it

Sauron's little stunt with Valinor fucked him up so hard that he can't take a fair form ever again.

But nazgul are not dead, i may not be an expert, but that's not how necromancy works?

I don't know much about Tolkien lore, but the way the game paints Sauron is that he is a huge cuck who is frankly not all that powerful, probably couldn't win a fair fight against a blind, one legged child and 100% of his evil empire was born through deceit, treachery and magical artifacts

Is that about right?

Which has a dumber plot this game or The Third Age?

>Nazgul
>Wraiths
>Undead army
>Barrow-wights
Yeah.

>"Ah, young master Gandalf, I'm so glad you've come."

I always liked their concept art of him

>Is that about right?
no

Sauron lost a fight to a dog once.
Though to be fair it was a pretty hardcore dog
In all seriousness though, Sauron's strength lies more in his cunning and being a manipulative fuck, see just about the entire second age for examples.

>Undead army

They were just spooky ghosts, not in the way that they were shown in the movie

Morgoth (his boss) basically made his shit by twisting the good things that his fellow maiar made

he could not create, tho wished to and only twisted and destroyed. Sauron is powerful but wanted more, so made the one ring to increase his power. And yes, his empire was literally just made of treachery and deciet.

He can fight when he has to, but it's not his strong point. His cunning and ability to deceive is where he shines.

The War of the Ring wasn't so much an epic war to Sauron so much as he was just cleaning up the board, he'd already hit all the other points on his list.

Sauron's main weapons were deceit and treachery and he only fought when he had no other chance.
Compared to other Maiar he was pretty weak but compared to elves and men he was a monster. He managed to fight against the elven king and the men king 2 vs 1 and killed them while being wounded in the process.

Spooky ghosts involve necromancy too.

Children of Hurin game when? now that's something that i really want to play

I was literally just asking myself this. Uruk s in the trilogy were scary as fuck Id have loved to face those ones

Undeath is not specific to zombies. Wraiths and ghosts are both undead.

Did Shadow of War change the gameplay at all? It was boring and tedious trying to brand and dominate every orc just to get runes in the first game. Also is the shitty combat of spamming mouseclick and rightclick to counter everything still there?

ghosts arent undead, they're just dead

Maybe they were under the wrong assumption
that that the uruk were made by Saruman

During the launch stream of Shadow of War- the team was having a party at a bar in New York city. They got two guys done up movie quality suits of uruks who went around larping about how they control New Orc City for that night. At one point they approached one of the guys playing the game and gently asked "Do me a favor, Tark. You see Talion there" they pointed at the screen "Kill him"

I wish that was my full time job

THE PLANTIR TALION

>fuck your sister QTE

>pretty hardcore dog
>big as a small horse
>immortal and can't be killed unless its by the greatest wolf that ever lived

Would've liked to have seen that on film, think they would ever make a film (or series of films) on the Simarilion?

Simarilion would only work like a miniseries, or just stand alone films of Children of Hurin and The Tale of Beren and Lúthien

Ghosts are undead too, they are the remains of some dead people who haven't passed on and lack physical bodies.
You are not really dead if your soul doesn't fuck off to the Afterlife.

In some cases, not in their case though, they were pre-emptively cursed to never have peaceful rest until their oath was fulfilled.

>just when you think you get the hang of the game, all your friends die
>it keeps happening
Turin lived a hard life.

They'd find a way to fuck it up no doubt, but it'd be an interesting concept as long as the CGI isn't Hobbit-tier, since you'd need a lot. One idea people seem to toss around a lot is adapting it as a miniseries,I Dunno, that might work, it's just kind of a difficult thing to adapt, since it isn't just a single narrative over the course of a year like the Hobbit and LotR.

You don't know shit about Tom
Talion falls to the ring, Tom would keep the One Ring in a drawer because its' a shit-tier magic item to him, just like the Dragonborn and all those Daedric artifacts

But seriously, the game's a complete mess

>Hurin was forced to see his children fucking

Morgoth was hardcore

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>only one who can use the true power of the one ring,
Aragorn could have as well
Gandalf just didn't want to risk him falling like Isildor

Carnan, she's female in a monolith game
(elf bitch failed because of Celebrimbor, obviously)