Blizzard kills the only good vanilla server

>blizzard kills the only good vanilla server
>invites nost dev team to blizz HQ for a dog and pony show, then goes radio silent about legacy servers
>nost hands off their beloved project to elysium because fuck you blizzard
>elysium implodes on itself as the dev team of hyper jews operates a gold selling ring and, once found out, calls elysium users idiots in a forum post and tells everyone to fuck off

Why, Blizzard? Why couldn't you just let us have fun? What are the odds that Blizz will completely redeem themselves and announce legacy servers at Blizzcon?

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Literal mouthbreathers who play this shit need to hang themselves.

I'm considering it

They won't
I doesn't matter what you nostfags think it will never be commercially viable long term.
What would happen is masses of people will flood in powered by nostalgia realise vanilla had very serious deeply ingrained flaws and either demand changes (in which case it stops being vanilla) or leave the server dead.

I don't know for sure but weren't the nost guys fucking with game balance anyway? I had an argument with a nost fag once who was trying to suggest warlocks were viable as dps and not just CoE flufferes for mages/lock rock bitches.

Thanks for your input

Just let WoW die already.

>Thinking Vanilla WoW is still good
Yes half broken talent trees were such a joy.

are you retarded? warlocks were one of the strongest dps in vanilla

if the nostalrius controversy wasn't enough to force blizzard's hand, nothing will. legacy servers will only happen if they allow WoW to die.

>What are the odds that Blizz will completely redeem themselves and announce legacy servers at Blizzcon?
Absolutely zero. Legacy servers is a lose-lose situation for them with very little gain.

>dot cap

Vanilla sucked.
Why would you want less content?

> Legacy servers is a lose-lose situation for them with very little gain.
You could almost make the same argument for the release of a new expansion.

You think you want legacy servers, but you don't.

Nostcucks btfo

The fuck are you talking about Locks were bottom bitch DPS with the huntards (hence the lock rock/CoE fluffer comment).
Unless you talking about late AQ40 or naxx in which case they were still mid tier and there was still daylight between the fury warriors and fire mages and everyone else.

>A good chunk of players on current WoW probably only complacently play but would switch to Legacy
>Legacy players can't be milked with MTX and can't be charged the yearly $60 expansion tax
>Vanilla servers always crash and burn and are a literal laughing stock, even amongst the private server community
It would be bad business to start a legacy server. And you vanillatards never create competent servers that blizzard has to care about.

>all the vanilla raids and dungeons have their places for progression
>current wow has two raids worth doing for drops and all the dungeons may as well be the same because of almost the same items dropping in all of them

Tell your bosses that you are too stupid to shill freestyle and need a script.

Except nost that was doing well enough to scare blizz into taking action

>And you vanillatards never create competent servers that blizzard has to care about.
user Said, in a thread dedicated to a competent server that was closed down by Blizzard

Expansions are always financially successful just from the box price and they only require ~2 years of support before they get to charge you again.

How would official legacy servers work? The only way I see it working is if it's a free bonus from subbing and Blizzard hopes that it will attract old players back. Even that doesn't sound like it's worth it.

>A good chunk of players on current WoW probably only complacently play but would switch to Legacy
I personally don't think it would work out that way at all. We would probably see people playing Legacy to see how it is out of curiosity, but I don't expect everyone to up and abandon retail completely for it.

How dare people enjoy something I don't? They must be pretending. Let me autistically argue about how they're wrong for enjoying thing.

Every big private server gets taken down, nost was only unique because vanillafags started crying.

>Blizzard has to worry about a server that shuts down when they politely ask

I know a couple people that have said they would do exactly that. I'd resub just to play legacy.

Blizzard should just do a poll like Jagex did, and then stop following Jagex's example in regards to handling old content.

You're just shitposting. Try having an honest discussion once in a while, it's a lot more rewarding than spewing shit everywhere, I promise.

Really if a bunch of euros can cobble together a server like nost and hopes and donations fucking blizzard should be able to a server or two running vanilla.

The real problem is probably the fact that since vanilla is more than a decade old and a lot of the old blizzard guys are gone, no one working there probably even knows how to get vanilla stuff working on its own.

They cared enough to be forced to send a cease and desist you fucking asshat

If several thousand players were willing to play Nostalrius and stick to it, it's a pretty good indication of interest. Not only would a portion current subs jump onboard legacy, but most likely the entire private server population would dump whatever shitfest they're playing on for the official Blizz version. The player count in private servers would drop like a rock and snowball, pushing more and more people to official Blizz legacy.

>scare

Stop being braindead. The only reason Blizzard took action against Nostalrius was because copyright laws demand it.

Blizzard doesn't give a shit about the private server scene beyond that. It's a tiny community of 20-30k players in total, comprising the hundreds of active private servers out there. That's the population of a single high pop realm.

They. Do. Not. Give. A. Fuck.

You guys are still playing this? Like holy fuck, it was fun like 2 or 3 years ago back on Nostalrius playing with the /vg/ guild, but you're still playing this? Grow up and move on with your life my mans.

They would probably be able to meet the player count of vanilla and TBC at the very least.

>scare
>Stop being braindead. The only reason Blizzard took action against Nostalrius was because copyright laws demand it.
What about all the other private servers that Blizzard hasn't done anything about then?
You're delusional

>>elysium implodes on itself as the dev team of hyper jews operates a gold selling ring and, once found out, calls elysium users idiots in a forum post and tells everyone to fuck off
Is there a screen shot or link of this?

>That's the population of a single high pop realm.
Then why not have a couple low pop legacy realms paying them money?

Quality post, dumb dumb

Worked for everquest

Legacy server pushers are the worst. They say they want Legacy servers but once Blizz says you need to sub to it just like live servers everyone on Sup Forums with throw Blizz under the bus.

>Nost shuts down via a letter
>Elysium shuts down thanks to incompetence and corruption
>Crestfall never comes to fruition thanks to much of the same
>Elysium now fighting for its playerbase against Elysium 2.0, both ran by gold/account selling profiteers
>Vanillacucks will change servers and level to 60 for the fourth since Nost shut down until the current fotm vanilla server crashes and burns
>They will do this until the end of time
You guys are a fucking joke lmao

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>have all the technology and man power to create dream rpg.
>lets just copy paste this decade old game thats owned by mega corporation im sure nothing can go wrong.

Hello retard. The vast majority of private servers are hosted in countries where Blizzard's lawyers can't reach. The servers, especially big ones, that are hosted in any country that they can reach, are always taken down, eventually or instantly (in the case of Gummycraft).

Educate yourself and never reply to me again. You are beneath my attention.

Why waste development time for irrelevant trash with a small payout? No capitalist company thinks that's worth doing.

Joke's on you, leveling was the fun part of vanilla so I have no problem starting over every time
I haven't played on any after Nostalrius though

Do you have a single fact to back that up?

>The vast majority of private servers are hosted in countries where Blizzard's lawyers can't reach.
That's what Nostalrius said about their server.
Nost's success scared blizzard. You're delusional.

Hard to call it a fact if it never happened. Call it a hunch after being on Sup Forums for so long.

>You're delusional.

the irony is real!

>U WONT PAY
>people in this very thread saying they would resub if subscribing included access to a legacy server

Its almost like people would be willing to pay for an actually authentic server with the security of it being official so it wont just go down one day and be gone forever.

Look how fast a handful of third worlders can build a decent server in their basement. There is no significant time factor, and the payout would be many times all the money invested. There is no reason not to do it from a profit standpoint, they just don't want to admit that some people don't like their current game, even if admitting it makes them money.

>You think you want that, but you don't

>not playing on project ascension
their classless system isnt without its flaws but it makes for a new way to go through the routine of leveling to 60 and endgame

>no counter argument

the irony is real!

Not him, Nost went to Blizzard under the impression they were getting jobs and then they were jewed. (as expected) The servers were hosted in france which was a major problem, but obviously an even bigger one is them knowing the nost devs completely. Honestly I'm surprised the FBI didn't turn up to arrest them as soon as they visited.

>so many new games
>yet you choose to play a decades old shitty mmo
You deserve whatever shit treatment you get. I commend Blizzard for destroying your precious mmo.

Reminder that Blizzard had the Corecraft guy assassinated.

>once found out, calls elysium users idiots in a forum post and tells everyone to fuck off

show me

Collecting 15 wolf dicks for 800 different npcs is never fun in any mmo. The quests suck 99% of the time and if you disagree you're a stolkholmes sufferer.

>Every big private server gets taken down
This is wrong, I'm not sure why you would think that.
There are several big ones that have been going for years and make quite a bit of money.

>so many new games
>implying any of them are good
Enjoy your SJW laden lootbox drovem microtransaction hellhole of a game.

Still waiting on an explanation about why it seems multiple nostcucks think vanilla lock dps was good if the nost devs weren't fucking with balance.

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m-my wife's bull says these new games are better s-so they must be better...

this would be true except for hte fact that vanilla wow draws heavily on sandbox elements which is hwat makes it good, not the skinner box shit it is today (+watered down arcade gameplay)

fuckignn ignorant shitstain

I fail to see how that's a negative.

>tens of thousands of people play private servers but they are wrong to like it because I say so

>Collecting 15 wolf dicks for 800 different npcs is never fun in any mmo.
You're right, that's why modern WoW is trash and vanilla was fun.

It's either quests like that which push you into combat or ESO style quests which make you feel like you're playing a walking/talking simulator.

>vanilla doesn't have collection quests
Tell that to the shitty spider quest in hillsbrad where to the drop chance was actually 10 times lower then it was supposed to be.
I was killing those fucking spiders for 2 hours.
2 hours I could have played half a modern fps in that time.

>collect 15 wolf dicks from Mega satan wolf beasts your map will point you to them, and if you're too stupid to read all the quest targets will glow, sparkle, and have arrows over their heads

ftfy

>playing modern fps

I mostly want to beat it to say I beaten it. Vanilla as a game is pretty okay. Just need to beat Naxx and I'll move to BC.

>never play wow, sad that i missed the boat since there's a consensus that retail turned to utter shit
>play vanilla wow and greatly enjoy it

I'm currently playing on Light's Hope and see no issues with it, raidlogging is boring but at least there's some wpvp to have fun with

>he servers were hosted in france which was a major problem,
No, this is misinformation - not blaming you but it gets tossed around a lot.
Nost was hosted at OVH. OVH hosts more than a few private servers, they also host wikileaks. They don't close servers down unless they don't get paid.
The nost guys closed voluntarily, they weren't closed by an outside force. They got the notice, which most servers get (and ignore), and for their own reasons (we can speculate) they closed shop.
There could have been more to it - some of them were american, and if blizzard comes to your door (example: gummy) it can be an issue beyond blizzard going to the host. However we do not know exactly "why" other than nost got a notice that was passed to them from OVH. Which again is fairly routine, and for those interested in the legal aspects, sending off the notice actually typically fulfills blizz's obligation as far as protecting their IP. That of course can be argued but in the majority of situations that's as far as it goes.

For anyone wanting to bring up scapegaming, that was years ago now and dealt with an extraordinary amount of money, plus the woman was somewhere blizzard could easily get to her. There is more to it but you'd have to read and I'm not sure it's 100% applicable.
Another thing to note is that a server being "free" doesn't make it less illegal, and to a court any donations wouldn't be viewed differently than paying for access anyhow.

You're correct that nost guys were jewed, I'm not sure we have the entire accurate story as to why they went to Irvine or what their motivations were. I just wanted to add to the "hosted in france" part.
(also related to that, elysium is/was hosted at OVH as well, so is their successor server ran by the guys who performed the server coup. This should be enough evidence of it not being a france/ovh issue).

>Didn't get the reference
How does it feel being this new?

>the only people that want legacy are the ones bad at both pvp and pve

I haven't been on neo-Sup Forums since 2012, I'm not up to date on your new memes.

>Hillsbrad spiders were the worst
I take it you never quested in Barrens?

There was some internal interest about vanilla servers long before Nost, and there was definitely some serious discussion from upper management last year, but ultimately the fear is that the following will happen. Vanilla servers will be incredibly popular for about a year. It will rival the main game in terms of player base in the US particularly. As a result the main game will feel like a serious ghost town, and will have such a large active userbase decline that people will crescendo jumping ship off of the main game forever. Even if we were to require a main game subscription to play Vanilla it was still seen as a deathblow to the game.

Even if we were to get an absurd amount of traction on the Vanilla servers, and subs doubled it would still be a loss of money for the year or so that Vanilla would be popular. We don't make as much money from subscriptions anymore as we do from micro-transactions, particularly server changes/race changes. If you've ever wonder why we allow servers to be ghost towns, it's because we have data supporting that people will spend the massive amount of money to transfer to a high population server before quitting a large portion of the time. And the players that are prone behavior are not ones that we see subscribing continuously. We make an enormous amount of money off of people playing the game for a month or two every large uptick in the game's cycle and having them race change/server change during that time. They effectively pay for a years worth of subscription in that month, and never would have paid for a year's subscription otherwise.

Anyway back to the point. We think that Vanilla would be VERY popular for a year, and the main game would have a sinking ship syndrome during the time. After about a year Vanilla would start to rapidly die off, and the main game would have taken a death blow during that time period and would NEVER recover from it, even with an incredible new expansion.

same solution for a different problem?

wow has never been a dying game. eq was 2 steps from the edge when they started prog servers and they still only just get by.

wow could do prog servers for the sole reason that hearthstone can and will subsidize wow for eternity.

i wouldnt be surprised if they announced it at blizzcon, some form of it anyway.

anyone play on warmane tbc servers?
I know it's lol mol10 but I want tbc that's not dead

this is on point

the ghosttown that was WoD terrified upper management and they still arent ready to kick that fear.

>the main game would have taken a death blow during that time period and would NEVER recover from it, even with an incredible new expansion
Isn't this already the case? The decline from MoP to Legion was so severe that they quit announcing subs. They pulled out all the stops for Legion, who knows what the playerbase is at now.

So long story short: Blizzard are brainlet cowards.

>open up vanilla wow
>wait 40 minutes for archaic servers to allocate my spot for the "Authentic" experience
>load into game
>crash due to unstable textures and poor coding
>walk to dungeon after logging in
>get denied for picking a shit class/race combo

What a riveting and exhilarating experience I can't wait to play again.

Huh, thanks. I've read a lot of information but I wasn't entirely sure to make it, most of it either seems to be second hand accounts or basically educated guesses.

*Kicks you to death*
Heh nice try kid......*tramples your corpse before stomping off.*

>elysium implodes on itself
Feels good knowing it was a right decision to kill my account half a year ago while you cucks still suffer.

Legion had about the same peak as WoD did in the US and EU, and was trailing off incredibly well compared to WoD and even MoP until 7.2. Internally there was some major drama because 7.2 was seen as a complete failure in everyway. The world content lost the casual base because it was complete garbage, and the Raid has been awfully received. I know a lot of movement was done in the raid design team after tomb completely bombed. A lot of the bosses were designed in a vacuum without input about the other bosses, and you got so many subpar bosses with the same soaking shit as a result. 7.3 has done quite well with the subscription trail off, but 7.2 was awful.

Do you know what the sub number is? At or below 3 million?

It was Blizzard's fault someone got greedy?

I suppose, all of the WoWesque games over the years.

My elementary school sure felt a lot smaller when I went to visit as an adult

Harsh truths. They just wanna go back to when everyone was shit.

So even if Blizzard was going to release legacy servers (I don't think they will but still, if) they force an NDA on everyone, and terminate any breaches of it. So we still would have heard absolutely nothing about it until it was in a flawlessly presentable state. So all that shit would have happened anyway.

...

Look what you have to understand is people vehemently shitpost about them because they're angry about the RDM. If you're bored, and you want to play tbc for free check it. Its well scripted, populated and you can almost guarantee you won't lose your characters. I'm not shilling for them, thats just my experience.

Gummy's a cunt

Could you edit in an autistic orc with a fedora tipping his hat?

The game is designed to attract addicts and replace real world productivity with a digital skinner box. Literally the illusion of fun.

Remember when that server got shut down in a few hours after it came up. That was hilarious

>Shill Felmyst or whatever it was
>Host server in US
>Blizzard serves you a C&D to yout door the day of launch