Can we all agree that these are honest issues with the game?

>most moons take no effort to get
>recycled boss fights
>Several kingdoms that are even smaller than your average SM64 level
>shortest main quest length out of all the Mario games

Still a great game, though.

Because the moons are just kinda sitting there in most cases, and you can't really fight bosses in context repeatedly, the game has pretty weak replay value next to other 3d mario games.

>Bowser goes down like a wimp
>completely wastes the dragon
>there's nothing to explore inside Peach's Castle
>Lost Kingdom shows the most imagination but is used the least
>Ruined and Cloud kingdoms are just arenas even though they have such potential
>Bowser Kingdom is linear as hell
>dumb song during the last cutscene feels like a Dreamworks ending
It's a great game for what it is, but I'm perplexed by a lot of its mistakes.
Maybe they just rushed it for Switch's first year.

They'll probably release dlc in the form of new kingdoms

Forced motion controls fucking suck in Handheld Mode.
I also wish it had a dedicated dive button like A Hat in Time does.

I was pretty pissed that Mario and Peach didn't get married. They were definitely building towards that and they wasted the opportunity. That's my biggest complaint and it is a story complaint so it doesn't actually take anything away from the game for me.

Aren't there like 1000 of the moons to find?
When there is 1000 of something to get i dont want it to take too much effort to get each one.

>I also wish it had a dedicated dive button like A Hat in Time does.
X is effectively worthless in the game. Some people alternate A and B for jump, but most people just press y for the hat throw.

Quality over quantity.

Did you really for even a second think that could ever possibly happen? Are you really that clueless?

Almost none of them take any effort to find.

That's part of the problem.

The whole fucking thing was wedding themed. It really seemed like they were going to do it. I don't see why not. They clearly want Mario to feel fresh and new again and that would have been a great way of doing it.

It wouldn't have even changed their dynamic anyway.

>Mario
>"main quest"

Does Not Compute

Is the honey moon phase finally over and revealed this game to be the most casual 3d Mario ever?

>dumb song during the last cutscene feels like a Dreamworks ending

I cringe during that song.

That's either 3d world or galaxy 1.

Galaxy 1 literally had bumpers up on levels to keep people on course.

>most moons take no effort
The only real flaw of this is it becomes annoying to collect them all for 100%
>Smaller than N64
There is no Kingdom that's smaller than N64. Boss kingdoms do not count
>Shortest main quest length out of all the Mario games
Takes the same length as 64 or Sunshine.

It could have motivated Bowser into getting over Peach, and no longer have her being the victim every game. Have Peach adventure with Mario like in 3D World from now on.

>One moon involves running as a slow ass Goomba all the way to the edge desert.
>There's no challenge or skill involved just walk to the end of the map.

It definitely feels like they went for quantity over quality in some cases. It's the same thing with BotW's Korok seeds. I think Nintendo is going through some kind of Ubisoft style collectathon padding phase and I fear Metroid Prime 4 is going to suffer from the same thing especially since Retro isn't developing it.

No that's still 3D Land.

Isnt their dynamic complety ambiguous as it is? They wouldn't fuck up the status quo like that. What are they going to do after shes "married" not have her kiss Luigi on the cheek anymore?

>the song
Pretty much my only huge gripe with the game. Really would've been better off just looping whatever was already playing before or just put a different orchestral theme or some shit.

No, I mean like nothing would change.

It doesn't matter if he kidnaps her and she's married because he clearly does not give a shit what she wants or he wouldn't keep kidnapping her.

It wouldn't change anything whatsoever.

She'd still get kidnapped all the same and they'd all still be voiceless shallow cartoons.

>When there is 1000 of something to get i dont want it to take too much effort to get each one.
Well it's almost like they should've have added less moons into the game and make them more rewarding to find.

My main complaint is the way the game wrests control over the camera from you (infuriating when looking for purple coins and Moons), and coming from a Hat in Time with its extremely fluid action and longjump-canceling Mario handles like a shopping cart by comparison.

>Nintendo is going through some kind of Ubisoft style collectathon padding phase

It's what sells, like paid online and DLC. People eat it up and even prefer it so why not borrow it?

>get to the ruined kingdom
>Oh cool it looks a lot like dark souls. nice graphics too.
>you immediately fight the dragon and move on to the next kingdom

I'm just saying thats what Nintendo could have done. Why the hell did they make the game wedding themed, GIVE YOU A WEDDING TUXEDO, release wedding amiibo, and then keep the status quo. It was fucking lame, and it could gave been awesome.

As I said before, it doesn't take away from the game for me because I only really care about gameplay, but it was a wasted opportunity and it left a sour taste in my mouth.

>There's only one moon there besides the dragon moons.
It's kinda just there barely hidden off the linear path to the dragon.

Yeah, hype killer.

My joycons keep fucking input-lagging/not responding when I hold them in certain positions
It's fucking annoying
My TV isn't even thay far away

>longjump-canceling

casual

stick to unity games then, beta

Peach goes her own way. It's the theme of the post game and BOTW.

Then why the fuck would they mess with something thats not broken?

earlier switches came with defective left joycons that would lose connection with the console

I don't know if you can tell, but I'm agreeing with you.

They should have just done it because nothing actually changes and they could have rolled it into making a king mario spinoff game series with kingdom management or some shit.

They lose nothing by doing it and might gain stuff by going for it.

>one, ONE fucking purple coin left on the moon

WHERE THE FUCK IS IT

>Fuck with something that's not broken.
>Doesn't have any real impact whatsoever on the thing.

Because it wouldn't change it at all and might give you more to work off of the next time you make a game.

>People dislike the song
Heck, imagine being this jaded.

Mine is mainly the right one
And it's only in TV mode, tabletop works fine
I'm only like 10 feet away from my TV for fuck's sake

Except their relationship is ambiguous as it is, it would change that. I imagine Nintendo would like to keep it that way, gives you way more to work with than railroading Mario into a husband role.

I love the physics and the way it plays overall but the level design is pretty weak. I was pretty disappointed there. I guess I expected more after seeing New Donk City in the trailers. That level lived up to the hype for me despite not being very wide, but everything else was just kind of meh.

The only purpose their relationship serves is that it encourages mario to go save peach, which wouldn't change at all if they were married.

He's going to go save her anyway.

>mfw Bowser's Kingdom was my favorite one and solidified that I greatly prefer my platformers to have some consistent fucking platforming in them rather than this sporadic platforming exploration based bullshit

"Casual" is Alice Madness Returns' quintuple jump. I'm just asking for Mario to grab the fucking ledge I'm jumping towards instead of faceplanting into it and falling to the abyss below.
The game's not even hard otherwise. I started playing yesterday and 90 moons in I've only ever died due to collision fuckups.

What? AHiT is made in Unreal engine.

7/10 game, overhyped.

I don't think it fits in something like a Mario game. It sounds like something you would hear in Splatoon. I am mostly indifferent to it though anyway

Still seeing moons just lazily placed around the map in very easy to reach locations is eye rolling especially post game.

You can do it faster with the invisibility cap.

>There is no Kingdom that's smaller than N64
Maybe the Lost Kingdom, but even then I'm not sure given its density. People are failing to remember that levels have height as well as length, they look at the map for Lake Kingdom and forget it's not a flat surface.

I was gonna suggest ZR for dive, and X for Cap moves. Like, Right+X to throw your cap in a circle, or Up+X to throw your cap upwards. In the two-player mode, the left-stick is reassigned for camera movement when X is held, so reassigning it for cap moves when X is held in one-player mode shouldn't be a problem. You could also hit X after throwing your cap to do the homing move.

then throw the hat to grab the ledge

>dumb song during the last cutscene feels like a Dreamworks ending
Could be worse. Could be the song that plays over Wolfenstein II's credits.

>Grab the ledge
Stop trying to jump into it. This isn't hat in time casual where you can quadruple jump, slam into a wall while having equipped a badge and simply run up it. You need to be higher than the ledge.

But the power stars in 64 aren't much more complicated than the average moon?

>hit bird in 64 to get a star
Perfectly fine
>hit bird in Odyssey to get a moon
Wtf so lazy

Not to mention the bird in Odyssey in 1 moon out of 800, whereas in 64, that moon is like 10% of the level already.

Of course, there's no such a thing as a perfect game, a 10/10 to anything is stupid, but every person has a different definition of what the score numbers mean.

>Moons
The moons I don't mind as much, they just needed a couple harder ones per kingdom, the easy ones are obviously there for casual players.
>Bosses
I dunno about the boss fights, not trying to excuse them, but si not really why I play mario for, so I care very little about them, they could have had more variety for sure.
>Kigdom Size
I don't think the size is the problem, but the number of kingdoms, instead of dividing 800+ moons in 15 (or whatever actual number it is) it would have been better to divide them in 30 for example.
>Shortest main quest
Is it? I don't know, is the main quest something people care for in mario? I thought it was pretty good for what it was.

>shortest main quest length out of all the Mario games
Have you played 64? That shit can be beaten ridiculously quick.

best kingdom in the game if not only for the aesthetic. I kind of wish it was less linear but at the same time I enjoy it for the reason you stated.

No one is saying it's a perfect game here. It obviously has it's flaws. I'd still give it an easy 9/10 regardless.

Biggest complaint is how small Lake and Lost Kingdom turned out to be. I was really, really hoping for an Atlantis-type kingdom. Lost is my favorite Kingdom, but it's so small.

>shortest main quest length out of all the Mario games
I just checked my activity log for 3D World earlier today, I got a decent amount of Green Stars and did a couple of the postgame challenge worlds, and it was only 7 hours and 45 minutes.

This

People love to criticize the game about how easy the stars are to get and forget that almost every single star in 64 is braindead easy to get aswell. That being said the game still could have used a kingdom dedicated to challenge like most mario games secret levels.

>could have used a kingdom dedicated to challenge

Isn't that what the last 2 kingdoms are?

Pretty much my only complaint with the game so far. I fucking hate motion controls, always have. I want to play the game, don't need 3 buttons doing the same thing, let another one of them take over for motion controls.

It is a shitty game that fanboys and nintendo bonus pretend that is good because the rest of videogames in the current year are much worse, that's all there is to it
Is like finding a coin in the middle of the trash can
You can't buy anything with it but since the rest of the trash can is filled with garbage, in comparison the coin looks like solid gold.

I guess they're relatively more challenging yeah but I meant a bit moreso. Like the level of difficulty of 3D worlds secret world.

>>Several kingdoms that are even smaller than your average SM64 level
>shortest main quest length out of all the Mario games
You guys are seriously not remembering 64 correctly.
Those levels where tiny and the stars only took a few minutes each. The only levels smaller in Odyssey where the arena levels.

So I finally got to the dark side of the moon and it was kind of disappointing. Was hoping for a better location. Couple that with the fact that I grinded out moons quickly to get to it and then find out I need another 250 after that. Is the next place actually worth the grind or is it just another filler level?

I've got the same problem. Really don't know what's up.

don't forget the big one...no delfino plaza but they decide to put in stars...no shines

8/10 for all the cons posted here, zelda is better

>>most moons take no effort to get
I don't get this one, this is how I imagine you "EZ moon" people playing

>playing the game
>see a moon
>go get it
>AHHHHHHHH IT HURTS!!!!!! WHY DID THEY LET ME DO THAT!!!!???!!!!

It's just a moon, you pick it up and move on there's harder ones too but I don't understand why the easy ones upset you so much.

There are "kingdoms" that are literally a walkway to a boss arena.

It's something of a platforming/capture challenge.

It was basically the old SM64 Bowser levels. Linear path straight ahead, but this time broken up into segments. The old Bowser levels were the most pure platforming ones in the game as well, so it figures.

>Cloud Kingdom wasn't 'Rainbow Ride 2.0' when you return in the post-game
>Ruined Kingdom wasn't Dark Souls of Mario when you return in the post-game
>no cool gargoyles or suits of armor to capture

...yeah. I just said that.
The arena levels.

Literally every Broodal fight was complete garbage. I'm honestly impressed how they did that

It's meant to be a challenge, but it isn't actually that hard. You get another thank you when you beat it, then cappy says going on an adventure with you was amazing, you get a multi moon and that's it.
I liked it, but then again I got the 500 moons without it feeling like a grind, so if you aren't having fun then you probably won't feel like it is worth it.

Has any 3D Mario boss fight been good?

Ruined Kingdom is literally the only kingdom that even remotely fits that description.

>Some moons are easy
Why is this a problem? Some levels in Mario are easy, cause it's fuckin' Mario.
>Not enough moons are hard
would be a proper complaint.

Right, so I'm confused why you think people say things like how there are kingdoms that are smaller than mario 64 levels. There are.

They never should have called those things kingdoms.

What a colossal waste of designing new characters. They meant absolutely nothing.

Koopa kids with gimmick hats would have been better.

I have all of these complaints exactly but it is a 9/10 game to me still.

Cloud kingdom.

I wouldn't be shocked if Lost Kingdom is actually smaller than some mario 64 levels for sure.

>especially since Retro isn't developing it.

Oh look the kind of retard who thinks the people who worked on Prime trilogy are still in Retro.

Not to mention they recycle them over and over throughout the game

Ahh I see. Yeah, maybe grind wasn't the right word. I'm definitely having fun in all the different wolds. Was just hoping for another surprise like peachs castle. Oh well, guess I can finally stop and smell the roses .

Those are all completely wrong. The only actual issue of the game is how a handful of Moons are tied to extremely annoying minigames. Fuck that jump rope shit, seriously.

>recycled boss fights

Your going to ignore that every Kingdom has a major boss?

Every 3D Mario also has boss rematches

I mean, not every kingdom has a major boss, but you also seem to have forgotten the broodal fights.

>complaining about recycled boss fights in a Mario game
I hope you're not saying that recycled boss fights are exclusive to this game

There's only 2 arena kingdoms dude.
I'm surprised you can go back and get things from them at all. That's almost like complaining that the Bowser gauntlets from 64 only have 1 extra star or something.

If we want to talk boss fight recycling, 3D World recycled bosses from a different game.

Odyssey was pretty close to beating out 64 as my favorite 3D Mario game. My main gripe is that most of the soundtrack is too subdued. Wooded Kingdom and DONK CITY were the only two that stood out for me. Anything else that caught my ear was a remix of some other song in the series. 64 reused the same few songs a ton, but Kondo really nailed it. The songs were not only catchy, but ambient. They lent themselves perfectly to that subtle creepiness a lot of early 3D titles had as well.

I played a ton of Mario 64 and Sunshine as a kid and I'm enjoying it a lot. I just finished 100%ing everything before dark side and those dark side hatless levels kicked my dick in.

>>most moons take no effort to get
Like Stars
>>recycled boss fights
Like every mario game
>>Several kingdoms that are even smaller than your average SM64 level
The battle kingdoms are not "several"
>>shortest main quest length out of all the Mario games
64, 3D world where shorter.
Not sure about Sunshine and Galaxies because I focused on getting everything out of every level before moving on in those games.

Don't put words in my mouth. I literally only responded to you in the first place to clarify what op was probably talking about.

2 is not several.

>Like Stars
The average star probably takes more effort to get than the vast majority of moons, though.

>The battle kingdoms are not "several"
Lost kingdom is probably smaller than a lot of mario 64 levels.

>Several

And where did I say that?

Let alone that I didn't even bring up Lost kingdom, which is pretty tiny.