Guys, she's making way too much sense, let's have her randomly go crazy and attack everyone

>Guys, she's making way too much sense, let's have her randomly go crazy and attack everyone
What a cop out

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remember who makes dragon age

anti-religion LGBT+ writers

they had the retarded mage leader do the same thing.

Mage leader was retarded for most time when meredith sliped only before final fight

>anti-religion
singling that out just makes you look like a precious little fag

The difference is, Orsino was retarded the whole game, he only turned even more crazy in the end. Meredith was a reasonable authority figure until she went full Hitler.

Remember what their whole argument was about before the final mission? Meredith wanted to search the quarters of every mage. A perfectly reasonable move, since like 99% mages in Kirkwall are maleficars or rebels, but Orsino sperged out because he had a lot of things to hide.

He isn't wrong though. The most religious characters in Dragon Age games are treated like fools or ineffectual like Elthina or Sebastian. Can't have a guy that happens to be religious AND sensible in these games.

but is he wrong. nobody care about looks here user.

They must have struck a nerve. If you want to settle down with a single mom and raise Tyrese Muhammads son that's your choice.

Cassandra is religious, and not ineffectual. So is Leliana - she does become a complete bitch, though.

Leliana

what does that have to do with religion

Cullen.

Does Cullen talk about religion ONCE in Inquisiton? I don't remember it. Even Varric turns out to be more religious than him.

If you want to know how DA:O/Awakening used to handle rebel/anti-circle mages, they were called libertarians at one point, something Bioware probably realized was bad for endearment starting with DA2

>nobody here cares about looks
>a dozen threads bitching about blacks in games and female characters not being hot enough
ru serious

Oh yes, I remember that. Circles within circles.

>anti-religion
>sequel has you play Dragon Age's version of Moses/Jesus/Muhammad

hmmm

Bioware probably meant for the mages to be the sympatethic faction. Shame they completely fucked it up by making pretty much every single mage an insane blood mage.

I just wanted to leave Kirkwall to rot when I got to the endgame, but no can do.

The point the game was trying to make was that Meredith's hardline stance made more mages turn to blood magic/apostasy than it stopped. The Templar Order existed as much for protecting mages from others and themselves than hunting apostates and killing blood mages. Meredith fails to understand and accomplish this due to her own hatred. The game isn't anti-religion, necessarily, it's anti-hypocrisy. The irony in her character is that much of Kirkwall's troubles are directly her fault, due to her hypocrisy.

Of course, the Mages are also fucking stupid because they're so convinced that they're helpless victims that they merely fuel Meredith's rise to power. They engineer their own imprisonment by repeatedly failing to take responsibility for their incredible powers. They're also stupid hypocrites.

The game posits Kirkwall's Reverend Mother as the person with the right idea - trying to broker compromise. However, because both the mages and templars are to up their own ass to even conceive of understanding the things they may have been wrong about, she just gets blown up and they lose the only real cool head they had left.

its disgusting how often this shit ios used in fiction

orsino was also in cahoots with that crazy fucker that killed hawke's mother.

they tried hard to paint the templars as the badguys, but 99% of the time in the game the templars where right.
the only sensible mage in the intire game is Hawke's sister

>The game posits Kirkwall's Reverend Mother as the person with the right idea - trying to broker compromise. However, because both the mages and templars are to up their own ass to even conceive of understanding the things they may have been wrong about, she just gets blown up and they lose the only real cool head they had left.

True, but she could've tried to something, anything about it. She certainly had the power to do so. She basically just wagged her finger and wandered off every time she appeared, and then she got blown up.

Reminder that this asshole use dried up dragon shit to blow up the pope and super church to plead that mages aren't so bad.

>The point the game was trying to make was that Meredith's hardline stance made more mages turn to blood magic/apostasy than it stopped
fuck off with that nigger logic

By the time she's blown up, she was trying to set up talks or something if I recall correctly.

Anyway, you're right. It was shitty forced writing.

It also directly states that you’re delusional and not actually Andraste’s chosen if you choose to be a believer.

no u

How was she making sense?
Some asshole grey Warden-mage, completely unafilliated with the Kirkwall circle of magi blew up the church?
Better kill all the mages in the circle instead of arresting/killing the real culprit who stands right in front of me.
Doesn't sound like sound logic to me.

>Dude, the mages are so oppressed, the templars are literal nazi's lmao
>Every mage you meet in the entire game turns out to be doing blood magic, including your party members and you, the fucking player character
>Even Orsino, the guy in charge of all the mages in the city freaks out and turns into this monstermash looking motherfucker that he read about in some off-brand necronomicon with almost no provication

If they were trying to make some vauge point about liberals being fucking retarded I'd say they certainly succeeded.

>takes bait seriously
cancer

But the Circle itself was full of blood mages as Kirkwall is cursed, she was right until the third act.

That's not true. Yes, you weren't saved by Andraste herself but you were still saved by what is implied to be the soul of the late Divine. The hand of the Maker was very obviously present in all of this.

shh let him project

This game is the reason I hate mages the only good one is one whose dead

Even BioWare realized how fucking retarded mages were being in 2 and put Templars in a more favorable light in Inquisition.

I mostly find it interesting that there clearly exists a perfect method for protecting mages from demonic corruption without turning them tranquil - the Seeker ritual - and that is somehow not pushed as the solution to every single magic related problem.

Sure, there's a side-effect. You become prone to extreme emotions but that's nothing compared to literal mind raping demons or mental castration.

I really hope we get that option in DAI2...

Except that was just a fade spirit that liked the Divine and took her form. It wasn’t truly her.

She wasn't right. Her delusion caused a self-fulfilling prophecy when her ridiculous crackdowns turned her into the thing the mages claimed all templars were.

Thus, they needed blood magic to "protect" themselves.

She was always a sociopath who punished every single mage for the death of her family instead of actually doing her job.

She needed a good dicking.

>2017
>being an atheist

>tfw no choice to side with Arishok to be his bitch and get that Big Qun Qock in exchange for peace

This game was the absolute most fun I've had on Sup Forums

The crackdowns early game was justified. The number of bloodmages are rising, and even her templars aren't safe. The mages keep crying that they dindu nothing, not shit keeps happening, the Kirkwall circle was long over due for a Right of Annulment.

Correct, she was riight until the thir act. Which doesn't say much considering she only has a major role in the third act to begin with. She isn't even in act 1 and only has one appearance in the final battle of act 2.
By act 3 she illegally installed herself as ruler of Kirkwall, by blocking the election of a new legitimate Ruler and continues to be shit at her job because she can't get any evidence of the mages being bloodmages.
Then she decides to go "Fuck it, I don't need no concrete evidence. I'll just kill them all because someone else commited a crime."

Tell me something, does the murder knife appear in Inquisition?

I think the point is that the Templars were all being affected by the red shit I forgot the name.

No, can’t even think of people you can murder

But almost all the bloodmages you meet in Act 1 were from outside the Kirkwall circle though.
They were either Apostates (meaning they never were in the circle to begin with), Dalsih (Merril) or were transfered over from the Starkhaven circle.

Yes and no.
You have to craft it in order to learn the assassin specialisation but it sadly does not make an appearance in cutscenes.

same shit happend to Kuvira in Whorra

(My Inquisitor was based on her)

>number of blood mages rising

Only by the second half. Multiple times throughout the beginning of the game, it was stated that Kirkwall's Circle was noted for the exceptional harshness of its Templar oversight, particularly after a certain point.

They form their Mage Underground thing only after the crackdowns begin - the crackdowns aren't in response to them.

Moreso, Meredith assumes power over the entire city by murdering the previous Viscount (in response to being attacked by thugs sent by him, but it was the Chantry who forced his hand) and intimidating the next one. This is the point of the character. She does awful things for the "right reasons", and the result of that is what she turns into by the end of the game.

>no
dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Murder_knife
its clearly there

The whole last act had her radicalize? It's not like she came out of left field with that. Templars and Mages were both succumbing to their prime desires long before Osama Bin Anders.

Except is completely right, it’s just an item you craft to unlock the assassin class. You can’t equip it and it never shows up in game other than the menu image.

>DA:O was amazing, played through 5 times
>DAII was mediocre, managed 1½ playthrough, never touched DLC characters because fuck Felicia Day
>DA:I was so shit that I didn't even finish, although Solas was decent

Why did they have to ruin it.

>Felicia Day
Shit, I forgot about that

>DA:O was amazing, played through 5 times
DA:O was a wannabe Baldur's Gate with simplistic, steamlined, MMO tier combat.

Doesn't mean it isn't a great game
Especially compared to the trash that were the other two games in the series
God what a fucking waste of a franchise

I enjoyed it immensely.

Shale was fucking epic.

>epic
But yeah the game had some great companions

To be perfectly fair, Kirkwall has some “built on a Hellmouth” type shit going on for it with the Veil being ridiculously thin because the city is implied to be where the Tevinter magisters entered the Fade physically.
It makes sense Mages go fucking crazy there.

>Can't have a guy that happens to be religious AND sensible in these games.

Which really puzzles me, because fictional games are the only place you COULD have someone like this.

lil Sup Forumsdie-poo projecting his bbc cuck insecurity fetish. cute!

>made a character in SJW shit game based off of the terrible big bad of SJW the show
holy shit.

DAO is unironically my favorite Bioware game.

youtube.com/watch?v=qqUhRL_E5FU

She never made sense. None of the templars did. I know most of you are like the paladinfags from /tg/, who never like mages, only play melee guys and are angry about muh elves, but this is a ridiculous mentality. You cannot impose restrictions based on potential danger, due to birth circumstances and be in the right.
You can't.
You think you can, but you can't.

Fascist leaders often "make sense" and unite the masses with authoritarian discipline and a feeling of belonging during their rise before going off the deep end, yes. The Third Wave was a short high school experiment on it that you might be interested to read about.

Happens with leftist writers.

Same thing with Superman in Injustice 1/2.

>Oh no, he's making too much sense, quickly, make him act out of character even for this universe and destroy a bridge or something so that brainlets can't deny he's bad! Also, let's turn Harley Quinn, who literally helped Joker kill Lois and Jimmy Olsen, along with helping him with his nuclear bomb plot and all previous crimes, into a good girl respected by Batman because she's popular!

Look at all the oppressed people in Paris under Superman's regime.

DA:O was mediocre, but I can see how it looks good compared to the shit that's come out since then.

>2017
>Still believing in a magic sky man
>2017
>Believing that magic man was white in the brown as sand middle east

they did the same thing with liara in me2 complete personality change,
leliana is hardened in DAI for no reason, even if you didn't harden her personality in origins.
but you can soften her in inquisition if you pick every correct dialogue option for her throughout the game. pick one wrong one though and it wont work.

>Fascist

You don't even know what this word means.

>mediocre
wrong. it's one of the best western rpgs.

I don't care about that one, because I could never force myself to give a damn about Liara

Just finished Inquisition and 100%ed it, damn what went so right bros?

DA4 when?

Don't be a fag. Meredith is suppose to echo numerous elements of facist ideology.

Don't make me come over there and sodomize you with a live dragon.

>Leliana as Devine

>singleplayer mmo
this game is so bad in terms of replayability. once again doesn't even come close to origins. they did the same mmo world with andromeda too.

>not having faith regen buff every day
>letting the demonic warp your mind

typical weeb

Am I the only one who actually really likes this game?

Maybe if I'd paid full price I might of been angry about it but I actually really enjoyed the plot and characters and didn't care so much about the choices since I play JRPGs more anyway.

>not having a political genius warden married to anora while in a relationship with divine leliana on the side

>You cannot impose restrictions based on potential danger, due to birth circumstances and be in the right.
This is bait right?

You're dating cassie, because you're straight and she's the only semi-decent romance for straight guys, so you can't make her divine, because that'd cause problems in the relationship.
Who can you make divine then? The niggress bitch? Don't make me laugh.

Cassandra Divine > Mean Lelliana Divine > Nice Lelliana Divine > Viviene Divine

No, I was 100% serious.

why not?

do you think if people were born today with insane superpowers there should be no regulation over them at all?

Um no, not when that danger can be catastrophic for dozens of people at any given moment. Locking up mages is the right idea but it's just terribly implemented

>Not always playing as a woman in Dragon Age for a superior game experience

Also
Elf Character > Human Character = Qunari Character > Dwarf Character

Na, it's just poorly worded. They're not wrong,.

Well it's a pretty shit opinion, just wanted you to know.

How will the wording improve it? If people are an objective danger, there will need to be measures taken to protect everyone else. Life's not fair, sometimes the freedom of some are sacrificed for the rest.

>not romancing cutie josie
Plebs the lot of you

Did you play DA:O before 2?

The combo of having played DA:O, falling in love with it, waiting for II, paying full price for II was too much for me. DA II was one of the worst experiences I had with games, from story to gameplay, to the amount of bugs on the PC version, to the stupid fact you only went to kirkwall and its surroundings, to the characters, to the re-used location assets...

The Circle as presented by Vivienne in Inquisition is the only version that makes any sense.

Not him but Vivienne is best girl and best divine. Josephine is still better than Cassandra.

>won't even put out
pass

>Liking Cassandra
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You can rationalize just about anything using your logic.

That's why the above user is correct.