Are they right? Is this the future of gaming?

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Oh my GOD is she really?!

Only insofar that they'll do it and consumers will grumble but keep buying.
It's not the future in that it's what gamers want, it's that gamers are such fucking children, without restraint or integrity that they cannot keep themselves from buying microtransactions or buying the base-game.

The only way you'd be able to stop this shit is if you literally stopped 40-50% of the regular customers didn't even pick up the base game, let alone buying that and not buying DLC

oh no no no no no ouohohohohohoh

Free market, you fucking commies. If you don't like microtransactions, don't buy them. It's not that difficult.

and I'm the bad guy when I want an industry crash

This desu

the problem with that logic is that children are buying them with their parent's wallets. their parents don't know what they're buying, they just assume it's okay because it's "just a game". how could i be indirectly harming a consumer base? it's "just a game" and little billy wants to play.

This desu

Free speech commie, if i don't like it i'll complain.

Yes, because Whales will spend more on games than the entirety of the rest of the userbase.

I think they should and I think it should be encouraged. The more disaffected customers look towards more niche games instead of playing the same fucking shit every day, the better an industry we'll have.

Plus whales lose all their money, and that's always fun.

Problem is the few people who do buy this shit is more than enough to keep it going. You got a remember millenals are retarded and gen z thinks this is the norm. It's not going anywhere

>he thinks capitalism is good
I hate Nu4chan.

Also, no, it is not. Devs will get lazy and bring down the quality of titles. This will only benefit the most money hungry publishers.

The problem is that the AAAs ruining the industry will only use this as a short term profit/solution to the larger problem that fewer people are buying full priced video games or hardware.

>you fucking commies
The humor in that is, if the fun video games go away, I'll probably organize and train my own militia.

yes because game prices aren't going up along with inflation, because we're all pampered shitters, so they have to sneak it on us

>the problem with that logic is that children are buying them with their parent's wallets.

It's a parents responsibility to raise and monitor their children; not a fucking video game company's

"voting with your wallet" is by far the most ineffectual thing you could do. i wonder if corporations made up that stupid statement so they could get away with anything they wanted

I'm not saying you can't spew your retarded opinions, retard.

Can't wait for the webm of you getting droned to be posted on /gif/

Rockstar died long before GTAV happened, only retards didn't see it coming.

She probably feels offended she didnt get any sexual advances thrown at her. Women are insecure bitches.

The future of (((AAA))) gaming.

just like with real whales, how long can you hunt them till they become an endangered species? (aka: run out of money.)

>"voting with your wallet" is by far the most ineffectual thing you could do
>mcdonald's adds the McHotDog to their menu
>no one buys it
>they removed it

Seems like voting with your wallet works, retard. You were just outvoted in the case of loot boxes.

This is the future (YOU) pathetic pieces of shit who decided to meme Sup Forums into relevancy chose. Serves you right. Thank god I'm still gonna be pirating every single possible thing going forward.

Meanwhile, pay your corporate capitalist for the privilege of another Shark card, you dumb right wing shitter. Eat the slop before the slaughter you dumb pathetic piece of shit pigs

Nah. There are only so many whales out there. As more games move to fish for whales, they get spread too thin.

If there's a bubble, mobile games have yet to get close and AAA games aren't remotely near it.

Probably eventually. But this isn't like Patreon or Kickstarter where consumers wise up, gambling addicts don't just get better.

>Sup Forums

Why the fuck are you blaming us? We didn't make the American people choose capitalism, you fucking commie faggot.

my point is the numbers are skewed. most people who grow into mature adults while retaining their interest in video games will instantly recognize the dangers of microtransactions. kids don't see that, they don't know how to read between the lines, they just see a quick way to get something they really want. that's the biggest problem that serious gamers face day in and day out. we have to share our hobby with dumb, snot nosed little kids.

But voting with your wallet is the most effective way when what they care about is money. The thing everyone seems to forget is this means that the importance of your vote is directly related to how much money you have to spend in the first place. As in, if all the whales doing this stopped spending money, the entire system would immediately crash and it would be over, but if a lot of people who usually don't buy into MTX to begin with stopped buying the game, it would only be a "minor sales hit". Who knows, if anything they may just interpret that as "people are no longer buying games, the money is all in microtransactions" and spin it into some good thing about how they are lowering the prices of their games permanently and keep making MTX worse.

>free market fuck you
This should piss you off because theyre grooming the next generations of gaymers to believe this shit is normal. BF2 is EA's answer to "how far can we push this bullshit?". In ten years if civilized society still exists you better believe that all ((((AAA)))) games will play and function like the iphone mobile games of yore. Like T2 says, recurring customers are the way of the future. Vidya as we know it is basically doomed.

More like Take Poo
I strongly feel that Rockstar Games and their dev studios are imprisoned by them.

I think we are just going to see video games start to target different income tiers. Rich and poor people live in different neighborhoods, wear different clothes, drive different cars, but until now, have played the same games. I think we are seeing the end of that. Many games are going to balance heavily around expensive lootboxes and will attract the whale crowd who can drop thousands on that. Other games are going to target all the poorfags who couldn't afford the first game.

Anyone with a brain has known for years that Cuckshit Gaymes is a greedy, talentless corporation that subsists on exploitation and shock value
>wow criminal simulator!!!
>wow snuff film simulator!!!
>wow bully simulator!!!
>wow nonviolent table tennis game, you wouldnt expect that from these guys!!!!
>wow this has "gay" on the name!!!
Essential "middle schooler in hoodie" core

From a business perspective it's absolutely right. They're making money hand over fist from long-running microtransaction-filled titles even if you ignore lootboxes.

Industry crash can't come soon enough.
Videogames are dead.

It will be an honor to die for your entertainment, user.

The videogame crash only affected the companies, during that time videogames were as popular as ever.

someone still bought a gorrillion dollars in Mass Effect Andromeda digital trading cards. Did you even remember Andromeda had microtransactions? My point is stupid whales will exist regardless or how many casuals and normies protest this lootbox shit. The only way to fix this is to personally give an intervention to every gambling addicting (in b4 HURR ITS NOT GAMBLING) sod.

So you admit it. You and your folk are ruining vidya. Pls stop.

they don't get better, but they do run into bankruptcy and sell everything to keep gambling. guess their pc will go before the house, sinse no house, no electricity to run the tv or pc.

stay mad mindless cuck lmao

Me not playing aaa games is the way of the future. I stopped a couple years ago mostly by accident. Even if if I just worked on my backlog it'd probably be a while before I was done and ready to buy new games. Almost nothing that's getting released appeals to me anyway and I'm not wading through cancer to get there. Fuck these cunts.

Yes. There will be generations born who will no nothing else.

>my point is the numbers are skewed. most people who grow into mature adults while retaining their interest in video games will instantly recognize the dangers of microtransactions.

I'm 30 years and a successful banker. I buy micro transactions because it provides me with something I deem worthy of the money. Clearly, you do not put the same value into loot boxes hence why you don't buy them. I'll continue to buy loot boxes and you can continue not buying them.

that won't solve shit. for every thousand people who don't spend a red cent on microtransactions there is a whale that will pay enough for them to make up for all of them.

>gta v
>game
pick one

If games are going to have consistant online gameplay and stay at 60$ initial price tag, yes this is going to be a thing from now on.

Let them do this and kill themselves. Another developer that actually cares about a good product and giving the players what they want for their money will take over.

I don't mind paying for optional cosmetics, to be 100% frank

But if you're going to make characters, weapon, etc buyable with cash then I better have a reasonable way to grind for them just from playing the game normally

>buying loot boxes
You ARE the problem!

you're a clever guy user, I'm going to be thinking about this.
I guess you made me think.

>My point is stupid whales will exist

Yes, and? If someone wants to spend $10,000 buying loot boxes or buying a designer suit or buying a first class plane ticket, that's there right because we live in a free fucking country.

Good for you, maybe one day you will fill the void.

The problem is that we have a free country.

why is it always "banker" with you people? you're a dishwasher, shut up faggot.

>MUH LOOTBOXES
I won't deny they're huge, but look at GTAV, no gambling or randomness whatsoever, they just went full korean MMO with the grind and little timmy uses his mommy's credit card to get that car he wanted for $30 dollars (that's not even hyperbole, some high tier cars can go for $30 real dollars if bought with shark cards)
curbing the lootbox cancer might stop one aspect but take two have proven that f2p micro transactions are actually viable in a $60 game

That is what I'm saying in my probably poorly worded post though. That "voting with your wallet" is incredibly effective, that's exactly why we are in this mess to begin with. Because less than 10% of the people have wallets filled with money and what counts here isn't an individual vote per person, it's voting per dollar they pay up.

The videogame crash of '83 affected one platform, largely just one company, over one time where videogames were still very niche.

And again, just the one platform, Commodore 64 was still around doing it's own fucking thing during the 83 crash, and Atari itself was back up and running with the 7800 and the ST in two years, round the time NES hit US shores.

It will literally never happen again and only happened because Atari's Warner Brothers' overlords were whipping them into throwing up literally broken games by the bucketload.

Then move to North Korea, you commie fuck.

A decade ago DLC was just as hated, now it's in literally every game.

Brace for the future.

one smart person at least

inb4 everything slightly decent, will be locked behind a paywall. Why not, it gives pedo mongrels more of your sweet jew money. Oh yeah, these individuals don't care about art, the quality of the product, and if it will be remembered as a great and memorable experience that will go down in gaming history.. why should they, they are subhumans who are only concerned about numbers, and if they should take 2 or 3 planes to the annual secret underground pedo festival.

Problem arises from the fact that they make the game grindy and tedious to make you buy them. Even if I don't buy the game, the whales will, and they will fuel the microtransactions enviroment, allowing more games with more grind and more p2w to be created, which means less games to play on the long run. The only one ending up fucked are the common players.

Well you don't have to rub it in. Jeez. My job as a banker is harder than you might think.

>only commies are authoritarian

This might be the shit that finally gets me over my Vidya addiction after all these years

>and little timmy uses his mommy's credit card to get that car he wanted for $30 dollars

I know you are mostly joking, but you'd be surprised at the amount of "support calls" there are at Microsoft (and I imagine Sony too) for parents trying to understand where $500 went and what a "shark card" is.

Makes me wonder how many of the smaller purchases ($20) or so just fly under the radar.

I thank God for those tumors in your lungs.

It's the way of the present, but only among AAA. Jap just straight-up buries you in DLC, and indies usually don't pull that shit.

So indies get my money, and jap AA when it's back down to a reasonable price.

>don't worry about the grind, just buy our time saver MTs.
some developers, like the ass creed ones, actually admit they put time wasters in the game so you buy MTs or grind.

Crash incoming boys

the real players

>I don't mind paying for optional cosmetics, to be 100% frank

you're part of the fucking problem. WE WARNED YOU WITH HORSE ARMOR A DECADE AGO YOU DIDN'T FUCKING LISTEN, NOW IT'S NORMALIZED BECAUSE YOU WANTED TO PAY TO PLAY DRESS UP WITH YOUR OVERWAIFUS.

I wasn't joking, I've seen it first hand, my friend's brother had a garage full of cars in GTAV, the kid was like 12 and I saw him asking for money multiple times and his mom was just like "yeah ok whatever"

Yeah I think this is true. Thank God I didn't have access to microtransactions as a kid I was a conniving little cunt

All of this is happening because fucking compulsive assholes that Cant stop buying everything, companies sees that they dont care spending money on same shit year after year, so whats the plan? Make them spend even more on little pieces of shit.

>I don't mind paying for optional cosmetics, to be 100% frank
How do you justify paying for something that was removed from the regular game just so you can pay for it again?

>one person buys something
>suits think EVERYONE will

the crash is a pipe dream, we would need something like hollywood scandal, that actually gets taken serious, so it make videogames look evil again and the average consumer leaves and only niche games remain, until it gets to shit again.

>tfw you will never be a bazillionaire so you can just make non-jewy non-casual AAA games

one person "voting with your wallet" doesn't accomplish shit. it has to be a group of people agreeing with the rationale behind it. millions of fucking mongoloids buying lootboxes, p2w dlc in full priced games renders your "vote" worthless. "you" just you voting with you wallet is meaningless. you can't just not buy something and say nothing else. you tell other people and hopefully convince a bunch of people that 'x thing' is bullshit and shouldn't be supported. imagine if people were told to just vote for politicians but dont discuss it amongst yourselves. ridiculous

it only works if the majority of people see that microtransactions are cancer, and stop supporting it. but turns out, me and you are wrong, 99% of people want to pay extra money every time they start the game up. They think it's like an arcade, "haha here goes my $5 quarter", and us not being able to understand it is our problem.
If everybody thought it was bad, everybody would stop buying this shit, and developers might pump out awful games in franchises you like for a little, but eventually they would have to stop. It's better for GTA to die than for it to go on getting shittier

you talk like your not a millennial also.

GTA Online set the bar unfortunately. I'm already preparing for the RDR sequel to have a half arsed story where all the resources were poured into multiplayer, and the most worrying thing to me is that there are other single player, story focused games out there that will likely get the same treatment at some point in the future.

It's damned if you do, damned if you don't. You can buy the game for $60 remembering the days where everything locked behind MTX and season passes would have been available from the get go and pray the single player hasn't been shirked too much, or you can ignore the game altogether and be part of a large group who are redundant in the grand scheme as a whale shits on you with a single splurge.

It's good to see the 2nd big video game crash coming.

The only winning move is not to play.

Or lower your standards and just play some AA or indie games that aren't pulling every jew move in the book to try and make bank.

And the worst part is that this very board is already starting to have unironic threads for phone whale shit.

>I will win the Boston Marathon says man after shooting self in both feet.

This. I hope Rockstar crash and burn. It will take years but it will happen at some point if they keep the microtransaction shit up.

Granblue, FGO et al do not attempt to hide what they are. You know exactly how much you're ripping yourself off by every time you pump money in. You're also not expected to buy a full price game just for the opportunity to spend more money.

That isn't funny, the Boston marathon actually got attacked and people literally died. This isn't a video game where you collect your coins and 1-ups, they will never exist again.

Well done, you are a retard. Voting with your wallet is the only thing that will stop this.

you'd be surprised the mental gymnastics ppl do to justify purchasing micro transactions. but hey i guess if the free market likes eating shit then let them eat shit right?

>Or lower your standards and just play some AA or indie games
>lower
You mean raise your standards, and your willingness to sift through bullshit to find something that meets them?

A lot of jews and marketing in this thread

I'll start to post things that trigger both

spot the gaf cuck

The answer to 2017 is 1933, user.

yet the electoral college of whales have bigger wallets.

People get mad at lackluster animations or underdeveloped mechanics.

I mean it's okay when AAA does those.

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This is something I've been thinking about. This is an issue on the big name games, but what about indies? Will indies continue their trend of being cheaper, but quality games (as high quality as they can be for their funding) without going full MTX mode?

This also ties into what he said. What if the simple truth is we are going to have "games for different tiers", maybe indie games are gonna become the "poor people" games, cheaper quality, cheaper price.