Why did Sonic Forces have to be so mediocre

Why did Sonic Forces have to be so mediocre

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Sonic Forces isn't just a lose for Sonic fans. It's a lose for gaming in general. Sonic Forces is a testament to modern gaming. The fact Generations/Unleashed, which came out almost 10 years ago with superior level design and graphics to boot by a mile shows that game developers are realizing that the pool for gaming has increased ten fold in those years. You don't need to try, you don't need to make or even ATTEMPT to make a full game with level design, the ceiling for fucking up and hitting mediocre is far more fair nowadays, because the lowest common denominator will lap it up with a flashy trailer, and even if the reviews shit on it to oblivion, the next game comes out in 4 or so years, so the fan base is forced/starved enough to try and attempt anything, and the cycle repeats. How many people have you seen on Sup Forums/other forums/youtube say "WOAH I BOUGHT THIS GAME AND IT'S SHIT???" as if they didn't have reviews and warnings everywhere, these games fuel off those sales and the people who lie to themselves in HOPES that the blue blur is saved, but it'll never happen. This isn't a loss for Sonic, this is a loss for all of gaming, to show us exactly where we stand at the moment.

Complete and utter mediocrity, because fuck it, the gaming community is large enough for everybody to just say "fuck it, I'll try it, even if it's shit" it'll get enough sales to warrant another, and we'll keep doing this over and over and over. They don't need to try anymore, and that is exactly what Forces has shown us.

tldr ST realized they can reuse assets and spend half the budget of games which try and still make millions off this version of the gaming community. Expect another Sonic game just like this for the next.

why don't they bring back those bat tats? they aren't as epic anymore in nu-Sonic

FORCES. FUCKING. WON.

Just about every sonic game past the Dreamcast era has been mediocre at best and downright shitty at worst. Why would you expect otherwise?

>Mediocre
You're still fucking brainwashed, Sonic Forces is absolute dogshit

Did Sammy secretly post that?

Why isn't 3d sonic open world? Why do we still expect the use of stages?
Is it because the are afraid that exploration wouldn't fit well with sonic speed? Why isn't that used to the advantage of the game? You explore the routes the world gives you for you to get to bosses, find hidden paths for emerald rings, themed areas should always imply that there is an enemy boss in that area that needs to be defeated along with a chaos emerald to be found or something.

I don't know why Sonic hasn't gone open world, its just the next logical step.

because there is no such thing as a good open world game
>B-BUT UTOPIA!!!!
>B-BUT GHP!!!!!!!!!

it's funny that all the games that are NOT meant to be going open world are going open, and the FEW titles which should be, completely avoid it

are you retarded

Sonic has literally been known as a shit franchise since Sonic 06 released, there are about 4 sonic games released in the last 10 years that are tolerable, and one of them was made by fans.

I WILL NOT BE SHOT DOWN BY YOUR ARROWS OF LIES! SONIC FORCES IS BETTER THAN GENERATIONS YOU FRICKS!

SEGA or Iizuka stuck Sonic Team with the remains of the former internal B-team (Secret Rings, Black Knight, Colors, Lost World) instead of the former A-team (Unleashed, Generations) along with adding a bunch of new people with little experience working on Sonic.

These sorts of people are why Sonic still isn't dead despite the neverending shitstream Sonic Team pushes out on the regular.
It actually actually manages to piss me right off, what a disgrace of a franchise.

>Yes. The project was launched four years ago, and we first advanced basic research on new technologies and new engines. A year later, I formed a small team, and finally full-scale production began last year around last year. This time it was longer than usual.

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If translate is correct, Forces essentially only had a year of full-scale development. The rest was spent on the new engine and a small team working on the game in the meantime.

Dude you can't be serious. If you just hate open world games, that's fine. There have been tons of amazing games utilizing open worlds for literal decades, chump.

You know what I've noticed everywhere on the internet regarding this game? and keep an eye out for it from here

"HEY.. IT ISN'T AS BAD AS 06...?"

"HA, YEAH, IT'S BAD, BUT IT'S NOT -THAT- BAD"

"YEAH, BUT ATLEAST IT ISN'T THE STORYBOOK GAMES? HAHA???"

Are people deluding themselves? why the fuck is everybody trying to squeeze in and shout "ITS ATLEAST A 6/10... ITS FINE!!!" the fuck am I witnessing, it's shit. why are you okay with average? you realizing hating on it will only give you a chance at getting something better instead of for some odd reason attempting to lie to yourself and others around you that its good

>youtube comments

No doubt if dislikes were actually displayed, they'd be the number of likes x 10000.

>You would be happy to see 3D Sonic completely vanish. Sonic Team Die and be taken over by Christian Whitehead
Yes.

Complaining about Sonic games being bad is like complaining that Nickelodeon is bad. Of course its bad, you arent 10 anymore.

but nick just like CN are trash

>based sammy
>defending b**st shit
never

Do you really expect anyone to read this drivel

Because some progress is better than no progress.

Average is not shit, whether you believe that meme or not.

Yeah, but just like Sonic you're not supposed to watch it after you turn 12. Might as well complain about Sesame Street or something.

Utopia isn't even open world dammit. That was a test area to show the physics. And the possibilities that can be used in full levels which is why the random slopes in certain places, or the loops, or narrow platforms or bridges, caves and labyrinth place.

but zero progress has been made with Forces? It is a literal step backwards in every sense of the word

2D > 3DPD

>let's try new things
>Adventure style is old, let's do new things, like AUTOPILOT
>ADD BOOST WITH AUTOPILOT
>autopilot boost dead, USE PARKOUR
>NEW THINGS, go back and use BOOST AUTOPILOT BUT A SHITTY GAME
>and rings are worthless, no lives system, no hyper form, no emeralds, no special stages, no bonus stages, no mini bosses each act1, no bosses in each zone, no NuckerZu or Tairus, Shadow onry 4 levers, bringu Metallic Sonikku back, give me writer of 06, loops are automated, no spindash, no lightspeeddash, no rolling, no drifting
>reuse assets from previous games and stages!
>corridor levers so people dont get lost!
>WISPS WISPS WISPS EVERYWHERE! WISPS CAPSULES CAPSULES CAPSULES AND BRING THE ANNOUNCER GUY!!!
>add dlc like Suppa Generic Sonikku and Suppa Chubbri Sonikku
>LETS DO NEW THINGS AGAIN! LIKE PARKOUR with more WISPS WISPS WISPS

Iizuka-sama is our god and saviour

Anything better than 06 and Sonic Boom is a step forward

So we still have no idea how Super Sonic will be obtainable, right?

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I don't think you understand what progress means lol

3D sonic open world, you know it has to happen, you hack.

Except after Generations and Mania (and yes, I realize Mania was a fan production), everyone expected Forces to be good. At least with Skyrim, people are just going to buy it for the meme

Will you please step down and let some fresh blood take a stab at the franchise?

the ramps were shit, rolling was underwhelming and no working/impressive halfpipe action.

Because Sonic was always shit.

>the ramps were shit
You seem to mistaken for Forces.

I don't think you do.

I don't think you realize just how far they fell with those two games alone.

This, people don't understand that Forces is a step in the right direction for the series.

Is Christian Whitehead a good person

So your idea of progress is

"as long as we don't faill as shit as 06 and Boom, even though after those games we've made far superior games, its okay to release a slightly shit game, I mean it isn't 06/boom, but its slightly shit so its okay come on guys it isn't that bad"

?? You should expect more from who you're giving your money too and have there hands on the only people who are allowed to make a Sonic game.

This is backwards, user. You can't keep saying ATLEAST IT ISN'T AS BAD AS X SO IT'S PROGRESS. that isn't how it works. especially when they proved they can make a decent boost games after those failures.

I honestly can't tell if this is ironic or not.

what the fuck. that's not progress. making a slightly better game than the average doesn't save SEGA from losing potential sales. They already had 4-6 games since '06 to step into a better direction.

Sega/Sonic Team are fucking retarded. Nothing new.

They're not making the same mistakes as before. They're making new ones, but at the very least they're learning something. That's progress.

What are the same mistakes they made before that they apparently didn't do in Forces?

>Sonic Mania is cheap
I couldn't read anymore

Post more Iizuka images, they always make me laugh.

Releasing a game that barely works, filled with unfinished features that are infinitely exploitable, all on a shitty broken engine.

How far away is the next good Sonic game?

Boom shouldn't even count due to it being made by a 3rd party but this was a direct downgrade to Generations on every level.
To say something is better than Sonic 06 is like saying it's better than Infernocop's animation

Holy shit my sides

What game are you referring to, Boom?

STOP TALKING SHIT ABOUT LIZUKA-SAN. I WILL FUCKING END YOU.

Just like he can ruin a franchise, am I right?

Except Kishimoto is the one ruining it.
sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Morio_Kishimoto

Iizuka is the only one with talent over at Team Sonic, once he stepped from director role the series went to shit.

Not made by Sonic Team

This really puts thing into perspective of how terrible a person's taste can be?

Will there be a Mania 2

exactly, so where is the progress?

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You best be talking about yourself you dumb nigger because that guy hit the nail on the head. Mania is fucking dog shit.

06 was 11 years ago and boom wasn't mainline. The last sonic was lost world, which wasnt great but wasn't embarrassing either.

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They're more subtle about that. It's usually,
"This game is good except for crappy parts that make up 95% of the game."

I love how you can tell this same user is in every thread because he uses the word slut "dog shit"

dog shit user, how bored are you to come into every thread and call Mania that? Even if it's ironic, but I know it is and can tell you love Mania, don't you just... get bored?

this is just perfect

This.

Read

In not making a game as bad as/worse than 06.

No

>but tuning his gameplay to be less automated
It's more automated. They literally bragged about how automated it was.

>worst game of the fucking 21st century so far
>wow good job Sonic you haven't dropped to that level again
If anything they've gotten worse since Generations/Colors

I have good taste that's why I hate Mania so much. It's dog shit. Plain and simple

The absolute state of Sonic fans. I actually feel sorry for you bud. I hope to whatever degree you can enjoy Forces and continue lying to yourself that that is the meaning of progress.

Somebody fucking save these fans, dear god.

IT WAS HIS TURN

LOLOLOL MANIA FAGGOTS ARE OBSESSED WITH A SHITTY GLITCHY ROM HACK

>Forces is a step in the right direction for the series.
>Forces is a step in the right direction for the series.
>Forces is a step in the right direction for the series.
>Forces is a step in the right direction for the series.
>Forces is a step in the right direction for the series.
>Forces is a step in the right direction for the series.

whatever you say dogshit user

I know you secretly love Mania, you're the equivalent of a tsun anime girl for a vidya game

When you lower your average so much with a game like 06 you have to appreciate the small victories. Colors was meh and Generations was good but the average level of the franchise is still pretty low

Then fuck off

Compare these

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to this

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>Forces was a step in the right direction for the series.

I'm not even a Sonic fan lol. I'm just able to notice objective improvement when it's made.

danke herr doktor

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Takes an autist to know how they fucked up. If the autistic man said it, it's golden words.

Why in the holy fuck did they remove grinding on the floor from Forces...?

No

Why do they keep going from 3D to 2D, I thought these were meant to be 3D games

So when will he hear the announcement that the mania team has been let go due to sonic team's spite and envy?

Has anyone collected all the moon rings yet?

WOOOOOOOOO

FEELIN' GOOD

>sonic will never be this based again

it makes me think

Reminder that they used the engine for Lost World and converted it to play like Generations. That's why it feels so wonky and awkward.

Reminder Lost World is good.

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Yes

generations' rendition of seaside hill is the prettiest video game level i've ever seen

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Defend this