WoW Classic

This is going to be a major FUCKUP.

>Blizz is going to listen to the community.
>90% have no clue how classic actually looked like and no privatservers are not real classic.
>no fancy addons, no graphic updates and no fucking cheaper spells/talenttree switch
>everybody is up in arms about it (see official boards etc.)
>most people want some small changes that are actually fairly huge (making shadow not go oom after a minute makes them actually really fucking strong really fucking fast or giving pally taunt -> needs gear -> mana adjustment etc.)

The question is now: Do you want just the CLASSIC with all its flaws or do you want Classic 2.0 with privatserver/spell updates/QOL adjustments?


For enterainment if you actually played classic: read the mmo champion forum or the offical board.

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Classic between 1.0 and 2.0

I am okay with Ferals/Paladins getting some touch up but people wanting everything on hybrids to be viable in all situations are retarded. When is Sub Rogue going to be dominant in PVE? When it Arcane mage not going to be shit outside of Pom Pyro PVP?
Some specs aren't meant for the high tier, and some changes required several more talents added in TBC along with new spells.
They basically want Vanilla with TBC stuff because all the balance changes typically were solved with TBC and then Wrath.

I am okay with 50g respec going down to like 25g

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I want them to just release the fucking servers first and then worry about any small changes that the community wants later.

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I wouldn't mind a graphics update if it was individual option to toggle on/off. Then people who want it to look the same can do so, while people who like the never models can do so too.

Balancing is a whole other bag of horrors that I won't touch. On one hand I can understand people not wanting any specs to be completely unplayable, or only viable for one thing like healing in raids, but useless in world content. But on the other hand it was apart of the original game, and changing stuff around would sort of defeat the point of making separate servers in the first place.

Balancing is something I hope they don't touch.
Say they buff Prot pallies, there's goes five mans being fun at all. The tank pulls the group, stays alive and keeps threat on all. CC used to actually be used and made a five man actually enjoyable.
Say they make feral druids closer to dps or tanking as the others. What does that mean for pvp? Feral druids are already good in battlegrouds, buff them would have a big effect on pvp.
I don't trust blizzard or, any company / person really, to be able to pull off actual balancing without either fucking it in pvp or ruining the experience.
If you really want these changes, you don't want wow classic, just play retail or a private wotlk server.

Whether you want changes or not, this is Blizzard we're talking about. Classic is an undo of all the retardation they have committed, not a chance for them to try again. You may want stuff like certain specs to be more viable in PvE or PvP, but do you really want to leave that balancing to the people who ruined the game in the first place?

The surveys have gone out and come back, the answer is yes.

Yes, the majority of "fans" want Blizzard to rebalance Vanilla to "make it more fun".

I'm disappointed myself, but there's still something funny about watching Blizzard shit in the mouths of everyone who fought for Classic in favour of those who didn't care.

this, without changes later

No, it's a bunch of spiteful landwhales who aren't going to play it anyway and don't like that subscriptions have been dropping and they've been pushing the game over the cliff and all the people they screeched at for wanting Classic/TBC are possibly getting it.


If they sent out a BNET survey that you could only vote on if you played during Classic it would look totally different.

Sure, but just cause someone played then doesn't mean they want to play now, and they definitely don't want their customer base just to be the original vanilla people.

every pve mage is 31 arcane 20 frost pre-aq/zg

I honestly don't get why people are suggesting all these changes. Yeah you want to fix vanilla, but people who are chanting for classic are actually people who were OK with the issues.

I wish someone would keep tabs on people who are going to play on Classic and see how long does it take for them to fuck off back to battle for azeroth. I don't care about Classic but it is fucking disgusting see people who are OK with current WoW trying to voice opinions on the classic server.

Fuck that. I want their 'Pristine' realms they talked about. Retail but without CRZ, LFG, LFR, heirlooms, boosts/boost potions and RAF.

I want vanilla, I even play on light's hope to tide me over, but even I would definitely want a few QoL changes especially for the HUD. It's amazing how people forgot how primitive the UI was in vanilla and how much addon shit you needed to just to be competent in endgame stuff.

I mean you seriously can't do ZG without a enmity meter at least or seeing enemy cast bars so you can interrupt at the right time.

What player cap do you all want for dungeons? None? 1.3 player caps, 1.10 player caps? All of the above?

Release classic servers as close to original Vanilla as possible with the exceptions of game-breaking bugs being fixed, and the back end addon tweaks that prevented abusive addons.

Give it a year or two, and the poll the people with level 60 characters on the classic realms about what (if anything) they would like changed, or if they would like new content to be developed, or if they want a BC progression server.

You can't make small QoL updates to classic, it's like pulling a thread on a quilt only to have the whole fucking thing unravel, these are all interlocking systems with gameplay implications.

Also CLIENT SIDE graphics updates like character models and better textures for the world doesn't hurt anyone and isn't a "QoL" feature.

Oh look its this thread again

I'm alright with any tech side upgrades like the new rendering shit, maybe not the new models.

I want the core gameplay to remain, professions being useful for me as im leveling, the minor management shit and immersion shit like maintaining your pet and going for a spiritual journey to get your totems, even if that means grinding epl or silithus to get to 60. If it doesn't hit the mark for people, there are still the mildly pure private servers.

Stability out of the platform is honestly my priority.

I do remember how bad shit was in Vanilla, I love the time back then because everything was a fucking discovery and I was actually a fucking Elven Druid in the middle of Pos-WC3 Azeroth with my friends. But I do know I wouldn't play it for shit, just like I wouldn't play several other MMORPGs earlier versions because they fixed tons of shit even if they ruined others.

The problem is that some people are taking this as a chance to voice their opinion on something they won't really be involved with. I won't drop BFA for this but I will try it out. I'm not voicing my opinion about changes due to that, only people who are actually planning to stick with it, and I mean STICK WITH IT, should be allowed to influence it.

>Make Rogue
>Expect to have fun ganking
>Get to 60
>Can't get good gear

How come OSRS was so successful with its sweeping changes while everyone on WoW wants everything 1-1?

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who is this cuck

You fuckers knew this was going to happen when you begged for it. They are going to release Nu-Classic with Tauren Paladins and Dwarf Shamans, Level 20/40 normal/epic mounts, no cost spell training costs, and Dual Spec

how did he get banned?

I dont recall being given a survey. Guess my decade of being a customer just wasn't enough.

i hope they don't bring back buffing and they should take out cooking/alchemy professions too.

They talked about this today. They said they won't be changing anything, the only thing they want from the community is an idea of what patch to start on.

"WoW Classic won't be moving away from the community and inconveniences, the question is what point in classic should the game be set in."

What if they started us at scratch 1, with the progression unlocks like Nost tried to do; but had the talents set to that pre-BC setup?

>yfw you start up Classic WoW and Thunder Clap hits more than 4 targets

They did osrs as well in the start, so did I when it came out. Eventually it's gonna be sickening and over the years they'll hopefully add a community polling system like in osrs.
If the fans comes up with ideas that go through Blizzard so they're not completly shit like a pride event that they had in osrs, it'll be fine since the players get to vote what updates/content/fixes they want.

Didn't OSRS only start adding nee things after release?

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No changes, at all. Even small changes lead to bigger changes. Keep it as true to the original as possible.

Maybe after a while (like, months) you can start to consider balance tweaks or such. But let people at least experience vanilla again before you go and fuck it up.

this is why i rolled a hunter. you get your gear practically free and have dkp to spend on killer items. After I won ashkhandi I still had the 2nd most dkp in my guild lol

I just want it to be classic so I can roll a rogue and ruin everyone's day between raiding in retail.

Do you think Blizzard will remove some of the things from Vanilla? Like cross realm BGs we're added during Vanilla so the really low pop realms could still get into BGs, if the new servers don't have pop issues do you think they will redact cross realm BGs?

Maybe they could restrict creation of characters of a certain faction when the population ratio gets above 60/40 or something.

Why do you think the community doesn't know what classic was like?
By numbers alone, the current players are more likely to have experienced classic than not.

Seems like a really lazy "they don't agree with me they must be clueless" kind of excuse.

i swear to god if they make tanking as casual as it is today, i'm fucking done bro

Look loli, its not about elitism the whole point of classic servers is go back to those days, no hijack them because some landwhale and her wifes son are assravaged that retail is shit. I could have worded this better but I'm stick of being diplomatic, these people need to fuck off and play retail.

the current players prefer retail over vanilla. If it werent the case they wouldnt still be playing it instead of a private server or something. so since they prefer retail anyway, why not just play that instead of trying to make vanilla into retail with less content.

evis doesn't even scale with gear you tart
>gitgud

>Ashkandi as a hunter
what a waste

People don't want to lay vanilla, they want to play their idea of vanilla. Blizzard are doing right in giving the costumers what they want.

Retail players have spent YEARS telling everyone that vanilla is shit and they don't want it, now that Blizzard is giving us classic they're trying to sabotage it.

>evis
>ever needing to use evis in pvp
gitgud, retailer

hey buddy that was a lot of attack power
i think ur just jelly that my raptor strikes hit as hard as mortal strike

This, I haven't bought anything from Blizzard since like 2008 aside from Starcraft Remastered and Diablo 2. I'm totally willing to give them like $20/month or whatever for Classic, but if they cave in to retail babies screw it.

>Blizz is going to listen to the community.
>90% have no clue how classic actually looked like and no privatservers are not real classic.
>no fancy addons, no graphic updates and no fucking cheaper spells/talenttree switch
>everybody is up in arms about it (see official boards etc.)
>most people want some small changes that are actually fairly huge (making shadow not go oom after a minute makes them actually really fucking strong really fucking fast or giving pally taunt -> needs gear -> mana adjustment etc.)

They won't listen to these retards. In every single interview they've stated that they won't add anything that weren't in vanilla. They have stated that they are debating how they will release the raids and if UBRS for example should be10 man or not. And what vanilla version of AV to go with, or perhaps do it exactly like in vanilla and have different iterations of AV throughout the classic life-cycle. THEY WON'T add new shit.

>By numbers alone, the current players are more likely to have experienced classic than not.
lmao are you tugging my fucking nuts?

I hope you kill yourself

You shitpost but there are people who are unrionically like this on the forums, its depressing.

i'd kill myself if the bulk of my raid timer was spent negotiating who gets kings, who gets might, who gets wisdom, and which pally is keeping what buffs on who

I will only play and buy this if its exactly like Vanilla was. The only thing I'm willing to accept are cosmetic changes. Any changes to the actual game and I wont bother with it.

I will only play and buy this if it's exactly like Vanilla was. The only thing I'm willing to accept are mechanic changes. Any changes to the actual game and I won't bother with it

That's true, but if people are wanting to experience Classic, which seems to be the point, wouldn't the input of people who actually played it be the most useful? A sample size of like 200k or something from that would be a lot better than a 2 million sample size made up mostly of people who literally started playing like half a decade later.

I have a couple friends who are interested in Classic and only played for like ~2 months in MoP and quit because they thought it was too easy and thought they were getting into a game that required coordination.

nigger

I'd be ok with updated graphics as long as they are a toggle/different client. I also wouldn't mind them just fixing broken talents and quests and such.

Dumb loli, most players never reached close to 60 in Classic. The vast majority of players came of age in BC/Wrath. They only know tidbits, early leveling, and possibly high level dungeons.

As a pally class leader back in the day this shit was actually pretty fun. I forget the name of the addon but you essentially had a spreadsheet where you had the paladins on the y-axis, the classes in the raid on the x-axis, and the buffs could be swapped using the mouse wheel over each cell, so you could take a half dozen paladins and assign buffs across the board to the various classes. That kind of raid prep shit is always what made the raiding experience interesting back then, the mechanics weren't that hard so you lived and died on your organizing ability and communications.

I unironically would like the environment to be upgraded in graphics but be really try-hard in trying to keep the old style, while not changing how characters/items/mounts/NPCs look one bit.

That wasn't hard at all. I do feel bad for paladins having to buff all the damn time. If they made one change being going from 5/15 min buffs to like 15/30 I wouldn't care. I kind of felt bad for the paladins in my guild who'd get REEEEE'd at on vent for might or whatever it was some person was shouting.

who /rolling druid/ here?

This would be known as 'remastering', user.

literally no one, worst class in the game

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>That kind of raid prep shit is always what made the raiding experience interesting back then
No it wasn't, that was tedious shit, the actual fights are what makes raiding fun.

Also who the fuck needs a spreadsheet? x buffs kings, y buffs might or wis, z buffs salv

That means he will get first invite since people will want his buffs.

I only really want dual specs, everything else can be as it was.

I don't want to be punished for wanting to play ret in pvp then pay 50 gold to go back to clothadin

I just want a wow where 99% of content isn't irrelevant because its not current expansion
fuck

Except every time that term is used it never is actually true.

It was a good way to keep gold out of the economy. You know, there used to be an economy in the game. One based around more than buying and selling tokens.

This can be changed to every week respec prices go down. Back then it dropped by 5 gold every 30 days. Every 7 days is less harsh to me.

Shamans are arguably the worst class in the game, if you factor in anything other than raiding.

Don't fucking touch the game. At all. Keep in every shitty bug, every inconvenience, not QoL changes, same broken balance.
You want classic, you get classic.
This is going to be a hell of a wake up call for a lot of people. There is a small fraction who actually enjoys the game and I'm really glad for them but all these stupid reddit memers who never actually played classic will finally shut the fuck up and see how much this whole hype relies on nostalgia.

Is that how it worked? I thought it went like 1G(only first respec ever), 5G, 10G, 25G, 50G. I only remember ever paying 5, 10 and occasionally 25Gs for respecs. Making it decay every 7 days would be nice though

Well everyone wants "old WoW" but that means 1000 different things to 1000 different people.

No. There are exactly two interpretations.

There's the people who want old wow, and mean it. As is, no changes, no QoL bullshit.
And there's the people who want "old wow" and are fucking stupid morons who want to change things.

>muh slippery slope: the thread

oh look, the Swedish faggot. it will be hilarious when you can't use bugs and glitches from private servers in actual servers you shitter cunt.

Tier 2 dropping from MC was a thing until 1.4 you sure you want this?
Charging a strafing target making you fly to the moon. etc
You sure about this user?

I think they will add balance tweak, but honestly all the ones people want came with TBC. Fixes came with new talents, new skills, a 10 level increase to fit talents into trees, and rearranging trees

I for one think that blizzard is trying to get a feel for what the audience for a true MMO would be.

That's just the vanilla experience.

Well even "old wow" can mean different things, do people want it to be implemented exactly as it was at the end of Vanilla, or do they want it to be exactly like the start? Do they want the patches to progress in the same way? How about balancing? It never ends.

And there are also people who want other expansions to be added, which I imagine is just going to make everything dumber and more confusing.

>bugs and glitches
like what?

I'd like it left as it is (1.12), but just release raids in the order that they came (including ZG later on as a catch up raid). The only changes they should make is cheaper respec costs, and adding some extra elites in AV along the sides of the middle so people don't bum rush the BG. Even if they script it properly it won't end up being long games like it used despite what people think.

Allow us to turn Dungeon Set 1 into 2 before Naxx though. It's pretty much equal to T1, but gives hybrid classes a set or a part of a set they can use in pvp, it also was expensive and no one will bother making it really if it doesn't come out until Naxx.

The real question is if blizzard can bring back all the free time and friends I had back then

>hur dur what have I been banned for
EU autismos like yourself are laughable, again, you will always be a private server shitter and won't make it a week.

what private server stuff is he exploiting?

>Oh shit, the Dodgers are playing tonight!

so nothing? SAD

Of course 2.0+

Don't need to get overboard with new models and such. But each spec should be balanced.

Post yfw Wrath babbies/Cata morons/Panda furfags and Legionlets have to attune to raids.

As it is? 1.12.1 is a patch that would heavily reduce the longevity of the whole game and is not at all authentic. It's not just gating raids. People do more dps in later patches you have significantly more gear that also has better itemization. Boss nerfs etc etc AV was a lot bigger with mines making bum rushing way more difficult.

Kindly stay in retail, try out BfA if you like, but let's not muddy the waters and instead coexist peacefully.

>you will always be a private server shitter and won't make it a week.
we got people that have played on the same patch for 5-10 years, we vanilla autists are the best wow pvpers in the world