Aside from the Tolkienverse, is there any high fantasy setting with lore as good as the Elder Scrolls?

Aside from the Tolkienverse, is there any high fantasy setting with lore as good as the Elder Scrolls?

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Not sure if it counts as an extension of the tokienverse, but forgotten realms is a good fantasy read.

Check out the Stormlight Archive by Brandon Sanderson, too.

>Elder Scrolls
>good


ayy elder shit and fallout are the most boring and generic games

Just remembered that shit recently

I'm not talking about gameplay you quadruple nigger, just the lore/worldbuilding. What beats it, aside from Tolkien and maybe Wheel in Time?

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You're so ignorant about lore you're calling from your opinions on the gameplay. Get the fuck out.

He's talking about the universe lore. Even if you hate the game, you have to accept the lore and world are pretty interesting. That being said, they steal a lot of things from oyher works of art.

Malazan.
This.

He's a new author and his series aren't very long yet, but Brent Weeks' Lightbringer series and Night Angel series were pretty good the last time I read them.

>TES
>Good lore

The games lore gets butchered with every new installment

Witcher and Souls, of course. TES lore os an autistic piece of garbage to be quite honest.

>tolkienverse
>high fantasy
these are the kind of people i'm regularly arguing with on this shitty board

>souls games
>lore

My fucking nigga, how come most people have never heard about Malazan? It's miles better than a song of ice and fire

The secret to TES lore is to ignore every game past Morrowind and to elevate Kirkbride's forumposts into the canon.

as much as I'd love to dismiss your post, do entertain me and explain yourself

The tolkienverse is low fantasy, not high

How about reading the Iliad and the odyssey. After that look how creative God of War trilogy is with the Characters

In what way?

Skyrim's lore is perfectly fine and doesn't contradict anything. Oblivion's lore is the one that got fucked.

>tolkien isn't high fantasy
Please explain
>Ancalagon was literally the size of a mountain

>dragons
>magic
>monsters
>n shit
>not high fantasy

get the fuck out of here

Tolkien is quintessential high fantasy, my dude

As a series it's intimidating as fuck for people to get in to. Ten books in the main series alone, each one over 600 pages, it starts in medias res so people starting the series honestly have no fucking idea what's going on for the first quarter of the book, and it takes two readings of the entire series to fully understand what the hell it's all about. It's also really strange to people not well versed in fantasy settings, what with the warrens and the t'lan imass and the entire breadth of the backstory, history, and lore that the setting throws at you as you read it. It's something only for people that's really familiar with not just fantasy, but the epic fantasy subgenre. That said I dived in head first at a friend's recommendation and now it's spoiled me for every other fantasy series I've read afterwards.

no, Tolkien was a sweet old guy who dedicated his entire later life into building his universe. Morrowind was created by an absolute madman with deep knowledge of obscure religions. You build an interesting universe through hard work, creativity and a pinch of insanity, not over a writers board meeting at some corporate shitfest

Conanverse

This. Tes is pretty garbage and is just a bunch of random things stringed together. "Lol what if the roman empire had samuri!"

Warhammer ftw

This has been debated for a long time. The argument is that despite the First Age and a bit of the Second being extreme high magic by the time of LOTR (most peoples point of reference for all Tolkien works) all things magical and mystical are fading away and the age of man is beginning in earnest.

Just wrong.

That's interesting, because I'm not generally the one to read. I found Malazan in a Sup Forums thread a couple of months ago, I soon done with book 6. At first I was confused as hell, but all the little pieces fell into place and it's fucking amazing. I just keep reading it and I am afraid it will end.

spbp
though the faggots on this board get mad when you point this out because this is babby's first RPG series

This makes me quedtion why so few people value greek mythos. It's basically lore like the tolkienverse but people actually believed it. The stories are so beautiful. Heroes from the greek mythos are so legendary they stay famous forever IRL

warhammer is a warcraft rip off

Doesn't hide the orcs, elves, hobbits, magical glowing swords, magic rings, intelligent animals, tree ents...

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>uses the hammer of a god
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>named Carl

I guess no one is perfect

So it's Tolkien purists saying that LOTR specifically isn't high fantasy, but his previous works were.

I guess I can see where they're coming from but I still think they're wrong.

>all things magical and mystical are fading away

There is a giant eyeball made of fire ruling over an army of mutant elves and giant trolls.
He keeps spooky undead retainers who ride around on unspeakable creatures.

The good guys lead an army of elves, trees and fucking ghosts against it.

Kill yourself you fucking retard, Warhammer is from the 70's

TERRIBLE BAIT

Probably all the gay butt sex with young boys.

hello moviefag

I like warcraft more but you couldn't be more wrong.

Warcraft was going to be a Warhammer game, but they couldn't secure the rights.

I realize I am responding to bait, but I found that to be an interesting tibit and maybe someone else will too.

Because the first book is intentionally obtuse to make it hard for new people to pick up the series.
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It also has a super baller metal album and everyone thats the devils music

Nicolas Cage was set to be the original Superman too, but that didn't happen.

The point is that all those things are fading away, the elves are getting the fuck outta dodge, the ents are extremely rare and were called for their last battle before facing slow inevitable extinction without the Entwives, Sauron himself is a holdover minion from a bygone era.

I read the books nigga the elves and shit are still in them

Why does all fantasy always do this shit
>a gorillion years ago during the zeroth era of Ngfgbahoz dragons were the size cities and men wielded the power to destroy mountains with magic they stole from the gods and the moon crashed into the earth and the ultra-elves were born from the crater
>now people can maybe shoot fire from their hands and we can't even confirm gods exist and everything is boring and sucks

Thank you for being the only one to mention ASOIAF and imply the truth of how overrated it really is. If I just wanted to get attached to characterization and only be entertained when they die, I'd just read through Homestuck again.

Even Homestuck > Song of Ice and Fire

Its this for real.

>The point is that all those things are fading away

The point is they're still there and in the book, the plot still involves them and revolves around them.

You can argue that a post-War of the Rings story might be low fantasy, but that's not the timeframe we are reading.

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Have you read The ilias or The Odyssey?

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>Warhammer

fucking kill yourself my dude.

Warhammer has the most cringe worthy lore of any Tolkien based fantasy.

>lol what if the aztecs were lizard people
>lol what if the holy roman empire was in a fantasy world
>muh blood for the blood god lol i'm so edgy
>THE END TIMES

The only thing that intrigues me in this series is that ork technology only works because they, in mass, believe it does.

What single fantasy setting has the most lore made for it? TES? Warcraft? Forgotten Realms?

Hey guys, Frankenstein isn't a monster movie/book, he fades away in to the mist at the end.

Wrong series

Because like most fiction it is a reflection of our own world.

Definitely needs to read more fantasy.

Pillars of Eternity. Eora has a fuck ton of sweet lore.

Warhammer fantasy before it got fucking nuked.

>Forgotten Realms
That, but only if you have access to Ed Greenwood's basement.

World of Rance series, the Continent.
...Hear me out here. While it is a setting for porn game series, it is a series that has kept going for over 25 years, and has accumalated insane amounts of lore and history.
And while the games do get kind of silly at times, the setting itself is perfect for dark fantasy stories. Which is lots of times what happens, it's just that protagonist of the series keeps things somewhat light in tone.
It's a perfect example of setting that has lots of depth, but that is not deep at all. If that makes sense.

Forgotten Realms / Wheel of Time
hands down

makes no sense, nobody is arguing that LOTR isn't fantasy, but it's not high fantasy the way we define it today

Orks, check. Warhammer, check.
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What am I missing?

Because they have to add power creep somehow without changing the setting as a whole. So you have a super-advanced ancient civilization that people salvage things from here and there but cannot use them en masse.

We define High Fantasy as having magic and elves and monsters and shit, all of which LotR has in spades.

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40k and Warhammer Fantasy/Age of Sigmar are different universes.

Warhammer and Warhammer 40K are very different things. While the Orks in regular Warhammer are kinda generic fantasy orcs, in 40K they are psionic space fungi.

Lizard men are one of the best races you fucking mong

That's stupid. That's like Blizzard calling Starcraft Warcraft 40,000 and saying they're totally unrelated in different universes.

That post does nothing to dispel the notion that LotR has magic and elves and shit.

Warhammer is a far-off planet in the 40K galaxy, there's an Eldar artifact in the game and everything

Ultima setting
Divinity setting
Endless Legends setting
Might and Magic setting
Dominions setting
Warhammer Fantasy setting

Pretty much everything except Warcraft

Dungeons and Dragons is 1000x better than Tolkien or ES. It is the most detailed setting ever and has everything your hearth desires.

It's not supposed to, it's supposed to enlighten you that you're not wrong, but the nitpicky Tolkien purists who say that LOTR isn't high fantasy but his old works are - are wrong.

If you want some crazy fucked up lore/world building, I encourage you to look into the Might and Magic games.

Really good, challenging games with brilliant lore, that will completely fuck your head up by the time you get to the end of VII

Comfy too

D&D is just a tabletop gaming medium, you can literally use it in almost any fantasy universe setting. Friends of mine slightly modified theirs into an X-com tabletop game. Again, it is a game format, and not a lore medium.

Dungeons and Dragons isn't a setting. There can be Forgotten Realms, Dragonlance, Greyhawk, Ebberron etc.

But warcraft was better than all but like 3 of those.

> I, II, III

Wow, never noticed that before

The thing with LotR is that even though it has monsters and non-humans, most fights are between humanoids fighting with conventional means, swords and arrows. Any time there's an actual fantasy monster like Smaug or Shelob, they are fucking terrifying due to hardly anybody seeing anything like that before.
Similarly, while magic does exist, it's much more low-key and mystical than what you'd get in D&D or something. Even Gandalf, who is famed wizard, did much of his fighting with a sword.
Let's say that LotR is high fantasy. If so, where does that leave everything where magic is relatively common place, and characters regularly fight monsters straight from mythology? Higher Fantasy?

What is planescape? Or spelljammer? Forgotten realms is a part of the d&d universe.

>Even Gandalf, who is famed wizard, did much of his fighting with a sword.

He wrestled a fire demon, fell through time and space, died and came back again more powerful than ever before

>Citing End Times as accurate lore
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>lore thread
>everyone fucks up

>the d&d universe
Doesn't exist my dude, those things you mentioned are the universes you PLAY THE GAME OF DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS in.

Again, D&D is a GAME, not a UNIVERSE.

nah

actually it is a multiverse with every game tied together.

name a game with better lore, not based on pre-existing IP

thought so, bitch

That was one of the events in series where high maic did happen. The reason it was so amazing was that it's entirely out of norm, Gandalf's ascension was framed to be almost mythological.
But LotR does also feature armies of ghosts and giant tree people, so it's not really low fantasy either. I think what the other user said is right, the events of series are last gasps of high fantasy setting. When the wizards and elves leave, it's going to turn low-fantasy.

I'm having a harder time reading fall of light than I did Brother's Kamarazov

Guy is some kinda modern age genius

Sucks at character development but goddamn can he write

>When the wizards and elves leave, it's going to turn low-fantasy.

They haven't yet left at the time of the story, it's still high fantasy.

And really the elves fucking off to another continent doesn't make the setting less high fantasy, they're still there and in the setting.

Wrong, it's a game that you can apply to any fantasy uni/multiverse and play the role of your created character within that uni/multiverse.

Again, Dungeons and Dragons, the GAME made by Wizards of the Coast, is just that, a game and nothing more. Wizards of the Coast doesn't own all of those authors' fantasy works, so objectively you are wrong.

So stop.

Have I had it backward? I always thought that high fantasy was "high" because of internal consistency, an eye to real history and restrained supernaturalism, and that "low" fantasy was like anime shit where the author just makes shit up out of nowhere and resolves characterization and plot literally by just casting spells, like in fairy tales. Tolkien had to work hard to distinguish his stuff from "fairy stories" where magic is simply a literary device and the fiction doesn't follow rules. I thought that was what made it high fantasy -- that the world and even the magic follows rules, so that the reader has a reason to fucking read it. (Which I never did, except the Hobbit, which really is more of a fairy tale.)

Always figured that "high" and "low" referred more to the maturity or respectability of the work, as in low and high art.

>Wizards of the Coast doesn't own all of those authors' fantasy works

They do, though.