>Morrowind
>Deep character with understandable motives, you almost feel sorry for him and curse the circumstances that made him the villain he became
>Engages the player in civil conversation before doing battle
>Oblivion
>RAAA I'M A BIG SCARY DEMON
>Skyrim
>RAAA I'M A BIG SCARY DRAGON
Why'd it all turn to shit after Morrowind?
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They wanted to appeal to they mainstream crowd to make the game more popular
Even more interesting is the contrasr between Vivec and Dagoth Ur.
Dagoth's voice is human and soothing if a bit imposing and he treats you as a person and recognizes you.
Vivec has a near demonic voice that speaks words of wisdom although they're a bit condescending.
Shows a good contrast between the appearances of the "evil guy" and the "good guy".
I don't recall hearing Vivec's voice.
They told Michael Kirkbride that normies are too intelligent for deep stories so they slowly booted him off of the series. The best way to see how much the quality dips from Morrowind to ESO is by reading the fluff books that debut in each of the games, go ahead and see for yourself how the authenticity sort of just slips away over time
I can see why they cut it, though that is pretty neat.
You forgot how both of them have the same gold and grey dominate colors though they are presented differently
You forgot how Dagoth Ur looks somewhat gaunt despite how well-defined his musculature is while Vivec is buff but barely has any body features drawn out
You forgot how Vivec isn't afraid to show you his face while Dagoth is ashamed of what he had become and hides behind the mask
>Kirkbride is good
Talking? In a video game? Nah, that's shit's fucking gay as hell!
By the way my dad works for Nintendo and he said the next Elder Scrolls will be about how the Redguard build rifles and go to war against the draguir infesting their land, it's basically a cover-based FPS where you kill zombies.
Also, I decided to see if he had an appearance (and voice) in ESO Morrowind. That's a pretty forgettable voice.
Because current day gamers don't care about deep or interesting plots or mechanics in their vidya, they just want to hit stuff with their over powered swords
>you almost feel sorry for him
He's just a bitter maniac with a weapon of mass destruction. Just another criminal, another threat to the empire.
Mankar Camoran was good though and he’s the main villain of Oblivion for the most part
Mankar Camoran is to Lord Dagon as the Champion of Cyrodiil is to Martin Septim.
In short, I could agree.
t. Imperial dog with an Altmer holding his leash
Azura had a shitty voice actress in Morrowind, and so did Almalexia. Azura in particular sounds like a school teacher reading a story book to her kindergarten class rather than a goddess addressing heir champion
He was good because he was voiced by Terrence Stamp
Oblivion had god tier voice acting now that i think about it.
Patrick Stewart as the emperor right at the very beginning gave me the biggest nerd hard on at the time
You're saying a goddess and her champion aren't equivalent to a kindergarten teacher and her charge? Because I disagree.
That's literally exactly how Azura would treat her champions, yes. "Story book" being especially felicitous, all things considered.
Morrowind
>Dagoth Ur
>Almalexia
>Hircine
Oblivion
>Mankar Camoran
>Dagon
>Umaril
>Jyggalag
Skyrim
>Alduin
>Miraak
>Harkon
>Vyrthur
Which has the best villains overall?
>Hircine
>Villain
>Deep character with understandable motives, you almost feel sorry for him and curse the circumstances that made him the villain he became
>people actually believe this shit
Oblivion and Skyrim is right up your valley, chum.
I look at the names you listed from Skyrim and apart from Alduin I don't even recognize them. That's how memorable they were. Fucking Alduin had no presence in the story either and I only remember him because I knew who he was before playing Skyrim.
That being said I found Oblivion's cast to be more engaging, Dagon aside.
I have a nostalgia boner for oblivion, so I favor them.
But for my reasoning, Jyggalag vs Sheogorath is a really interesting dynamic where you only really learned about him from stories told to you, and Mankar Camoran is pretty cool just because people are like, "Oh this guy has some cool ideas on daedra"
>Umaril
>villian
I think you mean "antagonist", because the cyborg with his filthy manbeast horde behind him is the bad guy here.
>so they slowly booted him off of the series.
he left before even Morrowind was finished, and the lead writer of Morrowind left because he thought it was a downgrade from Daggerfal and was unhappy with some of its retcons too, if you don't know anything about the studio don't post stupid shit. I bet you think Todd is some new member
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Vivec is the real bad guy of Morrowind.
So Morrowind was another Old Testament God vs edgy cool kid Lucifer episode, k
>implying cleansing the world of elven filth is evil
>implying pelinial wasnt the hero we needed and the true agent of lorkhan and thus the champion of humanity
BEGONE THALMOR
THE MUNDUS BELONGS TO MANKIND
Vivec is guilty
But vehk is innocent
FUCK YOU ELF
YOU'RE THE FUCKING BAD GUYS, AND THE FUTURE SHOWS IT
This guy is probably the worst voice actor I've ever heard, and he has a fuckton of lines in the game.
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Though the high elf woman is exceedingly irritating as well but she has her moments unlike this guy.
>Ah, there you are! Look... I've been thinking, and... Well... I guess I just want to say I'm sorry for the way I've treated you in the past. I mean, look at you! The things you've accomplished! You've obviously proven yourself a valuable member of this Sanctuary. So let's start over, shall we? I know from now on, you and I are going to be great friends! Now, is there something you'd like to buy or sell?
>Why'd it all turn to shit after Morrowind?
Todd Howard was new to directing with Morrowind. With Oblivion he asserted himself and forced the big damn hero, simple plot, make the character feel awesome crap.
POST YOUR RACE TIERS:
>GOD TIER
Dunmer
>HIGH TIER
Breton
Redguard
>MID TIER
Imperial
Khajiit
Altmer
>LOW TIER
Orsimer
Nord
Bosmer
>SHIT TIER
Argonian
>back stabs Nerevar
>thought using tools which recently seemingly caused an entire race to disappear from existence was a good idea
>earns the scorn of a daedric lord for all of his people
>holds an entire city, if not country hostage for their worship with a meteor hurled at it by a real god suspended in time when he could easily blink it out of existence
Yeah sounds about right
I like the female elf voice actor. But the breton VA and redguard female VA both suck ass.
Redguard male VA is based.
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The tribunal backstabbed nerevar.
Was Nerevar a cuckold?
>get killed by tribunal
>reincarnate
>work with your murderers and betrayers to take down Dagoth Ur
>Console
>Click on furshit
>Kill
Listen here you Nedic shit, the Goddess of Light herself proclaimed Umaril her immortal champion. Your faggot ass """divines""" or whoever the unholy fuck sent Bishop to ruin everything. Fortunately he died or rusted up like the bitch he was while Umaril was perfectly fine in the Colored Rooms. YOUR FAGGOT ASS ROBOT LOST. Then along comes some cunt, who may or may not have been fucking Sheogorath at the time, to soil everything all over again. And you still think you're the good guy?
>hurr le elves
Nice scapegoat. Things were great before you nedders ruined it with your uprising.
They never did, indeed.
And they also did.
Vehk is guilty but vehk is innocent.
The two together are Vivec.
And in the end, Bethesda became more successful that ever before. Fucking Todd.
>You kill your cheating ex
>Vivec is killable
>It was never implied that you killed Vivec or not.
The Nerevarine is not a reincarnation though, just some prisoner who got trick into mantling him
The gaunt/buff thing always seemed like a Hindu thing to me. The idealized physique in Hindu art is one where a man's body is strong, yet soft. Not a sharp knee nor knotty elbow in sight.
Doesn't he need the worship of his followers to maintain the Ghostfence?
Like Nerevar alive or dead the Blight is still spreading and Dagoth is still crazy
Selling your soul and integrity is NOT OKAY Todd.
>worships a being that seeks to unravel the mundus and destroy reality
>claims to be the good guy
Fucking elves man
He was implemented perfectly. Talking to almost savage tribes, back water yokels, and the children of peasants from cyrodil. Every encounter with a refined person in morrowind was great and it showed in the Tribunal and Dagoth Ur. The game had an amazingly build up to the conclusion of the story. Partly to the relationship of the gameword to the important figures inside of it.
Well Sotha Sil is the root of the problems. Vivec decides to go along with it though.
But he put on the ring and survived?
everything else is plausible though
>stabbed in the back, feet cut off, and face ripped out
I'm going to fucking stuff Vivec into a soul gem and turn him into the most shittiest useless enchanted item imaginable.
You must deconstruct before you can reconstruct.
But in Morrowind you're the reincarnated hero of the Dunmer and in Oblivion you're just some guy who happened to be in the right jail cell
Is our existance a cuckold?
Magnus bailed from his own creation. His bitch of a daughter is nothing
I really want to play this game again
but I feel that I would also need to play it on the original xbox to get the same expierence.
I feel first person perspective games are much better with controller than with keyboard and mouse.
I say that based on him having achieved CHIM. I'm trying to paint Vivec as a bad guy here
>lol we gotta kill everybody
Why?
>so our gods can remake reality perfect silly
When did they say they wanted to restore reality after it is destroyed?
>...
People need to quit jacking off to the main story in Morrowind. It is almost a straight ripoff of LotR
How does it feel knowing that your half human rape babies are better at magic than you are, bananaman?
Bad list. Here is mine
>god tier
dunmer, nord
>who cares tier
everything else
>maid tier
argonian
>nord knight tanking hits, backing up his Dunmer mage buddy as he fails three 90% chance spells and heals every single enemy on a succesful cast
That is my current Morrowind Online game, ft. You N'wah and You're Bested
???????
The only similarity is that a volcano is involved.
They only did that because they loved him, user.
By removing his feet, he could walk as anyone.
By removing his face, he could return as anyone.
Dude just go with it, you gotta have FAITH.
I do have faith
IN THE PURITY AND STRENGTH OF HUMANITY AND OUR GOD LORKHAN
What's the most humiliating use of the tribunal's souls? I like to stuff Almalexia into a pair of pants so I can rub my sweaty balls on her soul.
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I am going into battle
and I require your strongest potions
>just some guy who happened to be in the right jail cell
Akatosh is capable of a great many things, user. The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world, after all.
When I play Knights of the Nine do I experience genociding filthy elves?
You're an idiot. They don't want there to be a reality numbnuts. They want to be formless again
Here's what I don't get: CHIM is supposed to be this moment of enlightenment or self-actualization or whatever, but Vivec stole that knowledge from King Eyeball. How can you steal the knowledge that essentially requires you to come to a personal epiphany? Doesn't it defeat the point of CHIM to not get there by yourself?
No, the gods weren't exactly happy with how Pelinal acted, so they put a restriction on the armor so if you gain any infamy than you can't put it on.
Dark elves are cool tho since they were incited by the heart of lorkhan to adopt his views of mortality and thus align themselves against the cucks who want to obliterate themselves because they hope they'll be pretty pretty sparklies floating around in nothingness
In what universe is a guy called LORKHAN a good guy?
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>le let's kill everything
>that sounds like a great idea!
If you want to commit suicide, go ahead. Elves are a fucking death cult.
>They want to be formless again
Nirvana doesn't sound so bad. Like a billion people in our world want the same thing.
You are given immortality from the Corpus Cure prior, so that may affect it
Other way around
>they also have mad bants because of their dunmer/nord dynamic
sold
>made the physical realm and by extension, true life
>is somehow the bad guy
Fuck outta here
Let me rephrase
Vehk is guilty but vehk is innocent
Vivec is both
Thats just pedantic if its based on name, lots of cultures worship lorkhan.
SHOR and SHEZARR are fucking rad names
I swear the /tg/ larpers and pelinal posters are the absolute worse, you know how normally in any settings everyone hates elf-players? well in TES its reversed, not in small measure due to how ugly elves are in TES
Stuff Vivec into a small dagger and name it "Muatra".
lmao
We regularly hit eachother for 1 dmg (thanks Morrowind) and pretend that is the bants during writer's block. The "mock the dumb mage for failing Ondusi's Open Door a thousand times in a row" also joke never gets old.
It's been really fun. Just found some cool Ebony armor for him in a Dwemer ruin and he stole an Ordinator set for me from the barracks.
Because nugamer children cried when a first person perspective RPG didn't behave like an FPS.
BAWWWW IM SWINGING MY SWORD WHY CANT I HIT IT
It's an RPG, kid.
Elder Scrolls went to shit when they decided to pander to nugamer babies and make combat like an FPS.
I am actually playing it at the moment. Beat the fighters guild a long while ago but i have mostly forgotten about everything. Would like to go and see the content in bloodmoon but i have read that i should first go and get to around level 20. Thinking about either joining the imperial legion/cult and doing their quests. It feels like it can be very hard to find quests outside of guilds.
...
CC an iron fork in, name it buttscratcher.
>Otherworldly artifact grants power
>previously fought over in a huge, world-changing battle that took place ages before the start of the plot
>good guys got power hungry and took it for themselves after they narrowly won said battle
>evil force previously thought vanquished at said battle unexpectedly returns years after the battle, regains strength, and is now on the verge of total victory through armies of slave grotesques and vampiric lieutenants stripped of their free will by the allure of the artifact
>Elves and Men must now overcome their hatred of each other and work together to vanquish the evil by sending somebody from a more neutral party to an ashy volcanic wasteland to destroy the powerful artifact, which the evil force does not anticipate being a possible strategy
Totally not like LotR at all.
>How can you steal the knowledge that essentially requires you to come to a personal epiphany
I thought the whole achieving CHIM stuff was just an allegory, Vivec is a poet after all.
Those are some next level cherrypicked mental gymnastics
what is this based on?
Lore or how good they are?