Why do gamers hate linux?

Why do gamers hate linux?

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Because they have low IQ and think that you have to have high IQ to use Linux.

Probably because most games are for Windows.

Bo games

because they're stupid and don't know what they're talking about

In the past that was true, but there was also a time when the most and best games were for Amiga.
Today there are more native Linux games than there are native Windows 10 games and the legacy Windows game library works about as well on Linux as it does on Windows 10.
It will probably take a few more years, but by the time legacy Windows is EOL Wine will probably take over like DOSbox did as the way to run win32 Windows games even on Windows.

>using Linux

If you own an AMD card in particular there are very few reasons remaining to run Windows and put up with the much lower quality drivers from AMD.

I don't, though at this point I am more of a Linux dev who plays games than a gamer who uses Linux.

I seriously never meet a person who uses Linux in my entire life

>the most and best games were for Amiga
You mean the C64.

Newer games still don't have Linux support from day 1. I like Linux but Windows is for gayman.

>using a Fischer Price OS that spies on your every move

Nothing to fear, nothing to hide, amirite?

You've really never met anyone with an Android Phone, or a Chromebook?

It varies by the demographics of a genre and the publisher. You won't find a lot of AAA Loot Box fests on GNU/Linux on day one, but strategy games and retro style indie games are frequently day one releases.

The AAA games that do arrive on Linux even if they do arrive months later generally now do so with Vulkan support and without Denuvo which makes the wait worth it in my book.
Plus they generally come out at a lower price.

That's not what he meant and you know it you fucking turdburglar.

I don't though. It's the best operating system though I would like to see ReactOS take off or, even less likely, Haiku

Why would they tell you?

>Wine will probably take over like DOSbox
ReactOS (reactos.org/) is slowly but surely becoming usable. Much like FreeDOS is now an adequate MS-DOS replacement, ReactOS will likely be an adequate Windows XP/7 replacement by the time those are thoroughly obsolete and only good for playing old games. I can see GOG selling ReactOS boot disk images some day.

>gamers

Do I still need to fuck around with gpu passthrough with Linux because that's why I didn't use it before. I want to be able to play any game I want not just certain titles

Even if he was only referring strictly to traditional desktop GNU/Linux (which somehow excludes the Gentoo based ChromeOS which can run GNU apps and Android apps) its unlikely that's true in North America or Europe where the rate of use is higher.
If you know anyone who works professionally in the industry, or is into retro gaming you probably know someone who uses Linux even if its not their only OS.

For instance I've got:
A Windows tablet
A Linux workstation / gaming machine
A Linux phone
A retro console that runs Linux
A mac laptop (with multiple OSes)
A bunch of devices that use BSD

>If you know anyone who works professionally in the industry
I will give you that, but not everyone works in IT m8.

If you ask the average person on the street about Linux they most likely have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

linux is not for gaming. video games are malevolent proprietary software and nobody who actually believes in the foundation principles of free and open source software should touch videogames.

>Do I still need to fuck around with gpu passthrough
To play games in a Windows VM? Yes.

Passthrough is useful if:
Your GPU doesn't support Wine+Nine for full speed legacy D3D9 Windows games
You play a lot of D3D11 games and don't want to mess with the dev version of Wine where D3D11 support is being worked on
You're primarily a Windows user and you sensibly don't want to give Windows 10 direct access to network hardware

Hopefully more Windows devs get onboard with Vulkan, so far a lot of games have Vulkan support that is Linux exclusive which is awesome for native games, but Vulkan support makes playing Windows games on Linux a lot easier and faster. Basically the same situation with playing win32 D3D11 games on Windows 10 since you don't have to wrap the graphics API.

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Free as in freedom, and one of the better PC kart titles.

If you ask them about NT they'll probably have no idea what you're talking about either.
Desktop users are a niche today, most people just use their Linux or BSD based phones.
Desktop gaming is really one of the only niches left where Windows is still dominant.
Even businesses are starting to adapt to a world where most people use mobile devices.

>A retro console that runs Linux
GP2X?

More likely an NES classic or some such.

>Wine+Nine
Does this work with integrated Intel GPUs?

A Pi running Lakka.

NES / SNES Mini are also ARM+Linux machines but the Pi is strictly better.

I love Linux, I use it for everything that isn't games.

As someone that uses Linux and actually has some nostalgia for this game: It's fucking bad. The physics are wonky, animations are dogshit (look up how limited the animation system is) graphics are all over the place and it is one of the worst optimized games I have ever seen. Also it is still lacking online multiplayer.

Super Tux Kart is a meme

No, Intel graphics hardware uses a different low level IR while Nine depends on Gallium.
Right now Nine is basically a bonus just for AMD card owners. It can be used with Nvidia on the open source drivers, but they're so much slower than the Nvidia supplied driver you're better off just using CSMT.
The low level Gallium API is really similar to Vulkan though (Gallium is actually slightly higher level) so there are efforts underway to port Nine to Vulkan at which point it will work on Intel and Nvidia hardware.

>physics are wonky, animations are dogshit (look up how limited the animation system is) graphics are all over the place
That's absolutely true, but in spite of its flaws I think it's a good game because it's just so fun to play in local multiplayer and easy to mod (duh).

They don't hate Linux, they just hate that barely any games work on it or if they do they don't work as well as if you just played them on Windows.

The original Pi? Doesn't it slow down when running complex SNES titles like Yoshi's Island?

Linux users are elitists assholes.

If I could trust that I could play all the games I want on Linux, I'd use Linux.
I cannot, so I don't use Linux.

When I realised I just needed to get work done, it's pretty annoying when shit just breaks at random, especially when you're working on CS projects for university and have deadlines. The only people in my year that use it are posers that use ubuntu for muh speed when you can do the same dev shit in windows just fine.

t. used to think I was cool for having a riced arch distro

Because the people who exclusively game on Linux and go out of their way to passive-aggressively bitch when a game isn't ported to their 0.5% userbase platform are autistic as hell.
I totally get using Linux as your desktop OS since you need the best tool for the job and some tasks are just better on Linux but it's not for games, and will not be for games for a long time. Expecting developers to go out of their way to dedicate development time to the platform is just ridiculous, especially when it comes to debugging issues that only come up in one distro. Like I've thought about this before, if I were a game dev I would not bother with Linux. What the fuck would I have QA do when say, Linux Mint users are reporting a bug and all our machines are only running Ubuntu LTS? Am I really going to go out of my way to deploy a new operating system and get QA fucking around with it just for like 1 out of 15k users that are using that distro? What will I do when the Linux kids who have never worked in a real business and don't understand that open source is not the end all start bitching about me not wanting to that?

Why do games hate Linux?

I could look past all the flaws you quoted if it wasn't for the bad optimization on top. On some of the more complicated tracks like Cocoa Temple it drops to like 15 fps on a GTX 760. The game looks nowhere near as good as to warrant that.

What I have nostalgia for is SuperTux. In my eyes 0.1.x is a classic of Linux/open source gaming. They have taken it in some weird directions since. I don't much like how Forest Island looks.

There are 0 levels of cozyness by using Linux on Desktop.

Almost something will break sooner or later that will force you to dig into obscure forum solutions and terminal commands. There will be always something that you can't do on Linux but with Windows was a breeze. There will be a moment where you want to play a game or use a software that is still incompatible. Somehow using a Linux UI makes you feel that you're using a cheap, lame version of OSX. Also fucking fonts.

You will have your paranoid needs who will stay in Linux because they care about something they already lost. Some will realize it is too much hassle to make the thing work in order to protect something it actually didn't affect them in first place. Accepting the botnet doesn't actually cause them any harm, and the payoff is great.

>it's pretty annoying when shit just breaks at random
>arch distro
There is your problem. Debian Stable doesn't break.

Pi 3, basically the only things I play that slow down are the most demanding NEO GEO games, basically just multi-player Metal Slug.

Pi 4 should be really awesome since it will have a new GPU with open source drivers including Vulkan support sharing some code with RadV.

Also,
>are posers that use ubuntu for muh speed
So they are posers for using Ubuntu for its strengths? It sounds to me like you're still stuck in that Arch ricer mindset.

Alright, I've got a old spare ssd lying around, Is there a complete newfags guide to linux someone could point me to?

And how good is the PS1, N64 and DC emulation on your Pi 3?

Because 20 years ago before you were born Microsoft introduced proprietary non-standard APIs that would only work on Windows and were designed specifically to be difficult to wrap or port to other APIs and then over the next five or so years bribed/bought a bunch of formerly cross-platform PC game devs to use that API and ultimately go console-first.

>people don't game on Linux because there's not enough games
>companies don't make games for Linux because there's not enough gamers
It's a viscous circle. Linux desktop usage is increasing but it's still at a little above 3% and that's largely because of ChromeOS.

>Papierkorb

Install Xubuntu or Ubuntu-MATE

PS1 good
N64 not good
DC haven't even tried

Probably waiting on Pi 4 for good 3D gaming.
Apparently there's a version of Quake 3 that works pretty well.

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>Arbeitsplatz

Did I say I've only ever used arch?

They're not getting anything done that can't be done on windows/OSX, but they are willingly putting up with all the problems of linux just to stand out. I've spoken to these autists and they use it as a conversation piece as well as if I'm supposed to care about what software they use to accomplish basic desktop tasks.

Actually that figure doesn't include ChromeOS, its counted separately for some reason.
ChromeOS + Linux combined is around 5%, comparable to MacOS X.
GNU/Linux use on Steam (when you subtract China) is now up between 1.5% and 2%.

I tried Linux years ago. Didn't have a good experience. If it isn't for how bad Windows has become I wouldn't think of going back to it. I will hug Windows 7 to death before I switch to Linux.

But I don't, user! I'm running linux right now!

Thanks

dont do it
linux is a fucking meme

I have far less problems with Linux compared to Windows though.

>but they are willingly putting up with all the problems of linux

Want to use my new GPU with Windows
- doesn't support monitors native resolution out of the box
- have to install AMD supplied drivers that crash constantly and are slow in games
- workflow for getting shit done sucks, have to use fake Linux mode to get anything accomplished

Decide to use Linux instead
- supports native res out of the box
- just works, stable, and fast with open drivers
- workflow to get things done makes sense, no point in faking it when the real thing is better

>Actually that figure doesn't include ChromeOS
Didn't know that. I really do hope Linux continues to do better then I would switch even if there's not enough game but I use adobe suite. Once that shit is on linux i'll switch in a heartbeat.

>just to stand out
is that what they say or are you just assigning a description based on how you feel?

Imagine a group of people hating an OS so much that they willingly put up with all the problems just avoid it. That's how you should be looking at it. There is more to it than "le special snowflake xD"

Good thing I just torrent windows LTSB and don't have to deal with most of the bullshit while getting a justwerks experience and the ability to play vidya just fine.

If it works for you then fine, I do like the ethos of linux but the software support isn't there yet for me.

Yeah the open source drivers are fine for desktop use but we're on Sup Forums.

>There will be always something that you can't do on Linux but with Windows was a breeze.
This is the exact opposite experience I had. After using Linux for years I tried to go back to Windows and sure, it's superficially comfy at first, but you start to get tired of the intolerably slow loadup times. And how the pajeets at Microsoft try to force their own workflow on you. And how when shit breaks there's no easy way to debug it. And how it's completely non-interoperable with your other systems especially and including if you want to encrypt (mounting an ext4 drive is putting your data on the line, let alone opening a LUKS container, meanwhile NTFS and Truecrypt are godawful on Linux though not to the same extent). And how trying to bring Linux comforts into the picture just makes it more of an unusable clusterfuck.

Nothing about Windows is comfy. It's a haphazardly-piled up lump of excrement and Microsoft should either go bankrupt and GPL it or ditch it for a new system without so many weird, unsound design choices compounded by the need to keep legacy cruft onboard.

>Yeah the open source drivers are fine for desktop use but we're on Sup Forums.

Nine is as fast as the Windows driver D3D9 support
RadeonSi is 10% faster than the official driver OpenGL in the worst case, and can be much faster
RadV Vulkan support has also now passed the official driver and can also be faster and more stable

joke's on you, i use macOS

>use linux
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Why can't windows do even the most basic of basic shit.

I tried Linux, and my conclusion was that for me personally, convenience is more important than privacy. Also, the flavour of Linux that I went with (Xubuntu) was likely not as private as I thought.

too bad it's still true that Linux has no games.
Why would anyone use a Linux OS when it runs like 1 tenth of games that windows does?

Besides, Linux is just cancer OS based on Unix, so you are literally using a retarded MacOS but for free.

At least you're better off than Macintosh users who paid thousands for garbage.

>AMD

>Nothing about Windows is comfy.
Windows NT 4.0 is comfy and has a coherent design.

More like why do devs hate Linux. Development for Linux is easier if you know what you're doing (see: most devs don't know what the fuck they are doing). Most Linux distros aren't resource hogs which means they should be able to run games better than Windows, but driver support is half-assed. Finally, you don't even get fucked in the ass by license costs or telemetry bullshit.

>Besides, Linux is just cancer OS based on Unix, so you are literally using a retarded MacOS but for free.
Linux and BSD weren't even that similar from the start and they've now been evolving separately for a couple of decades. Not to mention that mac/iOS is the Android of BSD so it's even more dissimilar to Linux than mainline Unix is.
>hurr bt theire posix
Like literally every operating system in existence today except for Windows. That's dumb.

Its always middleware. Every time. God it shits me how many studios rely on this shit.

>A bunch of devices that use BSD
What? I mean, PS4's OS is BDS-based but what would you need a real BSD for that Linux is not as good or better at?

i don't know if there is still a friendly linux general on Sup Forums but go there