Why is this game so damn boring as light side character?

Why is this game so damn boring as light side character?

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because you're 15 years old and haven't embraced the glory of unironic noblebright

Because its not as good as the original.

The fuck? This games great trying to play 100% light side. The first kotors morality system was so binary, it was honestly surprising to see the game mock me for picking options based on what would get me the most light side points.

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Another reason why I just wont talk to Kreia as light side character or just wont push the issues further, since she gets asshurt about everything that is being moralfag.

So is this game worth burning through KOTOR for? I just have hard time picking that game up again because way back when, I got about 85% through the game and nothing will surprise me this time through. If KOTOR 2 is better though I'll make time to finish KOTOR.

KOTOR 2 is an objectively better game, but KOTOR 1 isn't necessary to understand it

I would assume that small details transition to 2 though, correct? Like even though I know main plot points, wouldn't beating KOTOR first make KOTOR2 feel more familiar or are there few ties lore wise?

What, are you kidding? It's fantastic.
>Be light sider.
>Get called out on not actually doing any real significant or meaningful good, and on my actions actually making the people that benefit from them weaker by depriving them of the opportunity to learn and grow while resolving their own problems.
>Actually start to think about what it means to be good.

Yeah, there are definitely some connecting plot points. Just do your best to make sure not to get burnt out on KOTOR, since it's both a mechanically and thematically worse game.

This.

>Jedi council thinks that they are the real good and wise element
>proceed to fuck everything up and half the galaxy burns because of there actions
>have an opportunity to understand an anomaly like the exile
>”nah will just cut the force from you it’s easier! XDDD”

Next Jedi Purge when?

There aren't many ties beside some heavy Revan reference. I love KOTOR but when i replayed it last year I felt it really dated and binary; the twist is great and there are some charming moments so I still suggest to play it, but honestly you don't have to to enjoy KOTOR II.

>do some retarded bullshit like max powerstrike/flurry
>use dualies or a double-edged
>grab all the light-affinity buffs
>apply force speed, battle meditation, ect...
>backflip into a group, force wave, and then fuck everyone up at sanic speed before they can react

lightside guardian was hilariously fun when I played it, dunno what you're doing wrong

Yeah I did another play through of KOTOR2 recently and I had so much more fun with it then 1. The first game tries to act like your playing in the midst of the Jedi Civil War but it never really feels like it. In 2 however you see a Republic on the verge of collapse and worlds torn apart as a result of the recent wars. 2 definitely sold its setting way more to me.

>Next Jedi Purge when?

Whenever they happen, a jedi purge is some force of nature shit that happens when "The Force" wants to throw a wrench into everyone's prosperity

All Force Users need to be purged in general then people can actually live without these magical niggers coming in to ruin everything

Its boring and shit however you play it

Cuck soyboys will defend this Biogay trash

>In 2 however you see a Republic on the verge of collapse and worlds torn apart as a result of the recent wars.

G0-T0
"It was lost, yes. It was given an impossible order. It was told to calculate a means by which the Republic could be saved. It could not fulfill its primary programming - not by abiding by the laws of the Senate. And so, like the Republic... the droid broke."

I always theorized that what it was is that the Force wants a balance but the problem is that both Sith and Jedi take it to extremes. So basically the force sets things in motion to attain this balance. However because creatures have a hard will to survive this is not easily obtained. Just like when the Jedi think they eliminated the Sith or vice versa. Basically force users need to get there head out of there own ass.

I don't think the will of the force is that strong, I think the will is more like a rubber band.

You didn't learn a damn thing for Kreia, did you?
Everyone is the force's puppets, force user or not. It's going to keep fucking everything and everyone over alternately in the interests of balance for as long as it exists.

i really tried to play kotor but i just couldnt enjoy it

im not really sure why i couldnt either

What did you like about it?

>Obsidian
>Bioware
>the same company

Nice memes though, dipshit.

It does seem like it has some intelligent thought. Anytime a great wound in the force happens as a result of either side it almost seems like it lashes out. Like the creation of Anakin as an example. Or Revans destined involvement in the Mandaloria Wars that nearly destroyed the nigh unstoppable Jedi.

Yeah, I mean I can see that, but it's a scary thing to think about. It basically means everything in the old and new canons are happening because a metaphysical being keeps getting torn apart and healed and is just going into a rage all the time.

Would make sense since both the Jedi and Sith fuck everything up. They both go too far and it affects the force. The Sith sort of had the better idea but they became so completely focused on power and hatred it shadowed all others. Remember that the Jedi view love as being a part of the dark side which is insane.

Only the old republic era jedi, and they got taken out multiple times for a reason.

The later republic Jedi viewed the same. For instance it was found typically when two powerful Jedi had a child that the child would usually be exceptionally gifted in the force. To the point the council would be scared this power would inherently go to the dark side. Ironically the ostracizing attitude of the council is what led many to the dark side.

It's worse then that, and this is Kreia's whole motive.
The force constantly balances between light and dark. In order to be capable of doing this, it must logically be either capable of accurately predicting and manipulating every single element of every single sentient being's life, or directly exerting influence over those beings. In either case, free will is an illusion. Either you only have it until the cosmic rubber band decides there's too many brown-robed hippies around and you end up a grunt for a sith empire, or it powerlevels a sith lord who proceeds to drink your planet, or you never had it to begin with and you are just a slave to whatever it wants, but for some reason you have the capacity to understand the concept of free will and feel pain at the realization of it's absence. If the force has a will then it gives zero shits about you or anyone around you, and is perfectly willing and able to destroy your lives and those of everyone you love instantly for the sake of it's balance. If it does not have a will then everything and everything is a slave to the whims of a cosmic newton's cradle.

This. The Jedi believe they have the greatest grasp and knowledge of the force when in reality they are a puppet of it defenseless to its wills. Hence why when the Jedi get there collective shit kicked in they think that meditating and becoming attuned with the force will help them. In reality it doesn’t give a fuck.

Yeah I can't remember who said it, might of been Krayt but there's a quote along the lines of, "The Sith constantly reappear from the Jedi." I don't think you can have a Jedi order and not have the Sith or Dark Jedi in some form, be they Baanite or something else.
I'd rather it not be a conscious thing on a higher plane and rather it just be something that is like ley lines, but both concepts are a little fearful, I think Kreia had a point to deafen everyone to the force, shame she changed her mind and decided you'd be better off going to Revan.

In a way that’s why I think the Sith have the right idea. However what screws them over is themselves. If they stopped the stupid back stabbing they would be on top. The intrinsic traitorous attitude of the Sith is why they always go to extremes and lose the plot completely of what they see that the Jedi refuse to acknowledge.

Kotor 1 is dogshit. Kotor 2 is unfinished masterpiece. Atris is my wife.

Well said. Shame Obsidian wasn’t able to fully flesh out Atris as they originally intended. Well I mean most of the game couldn’t get fleshed out but it wasn’t Obsidian fault.

Yeah, too be fair some Sith have tried that but it seems like you can't just have a group of Sith follow a code without them just fucking everyone because of their built in hatred of each other. You'd have to have a group of Grays to get anything done but they can't because the Jedi and Sith have a foothold over the galaxy so there's never any breathing room.

Galaxy is ruled by a two party system! We need an independent option!

Jedi must be exterminated because they beget the Sith who are a symptom of a greater disease.

She gets asshurt about just being a murderhobo for no reason too

That’s what sucks about being a gray. If you do you have both Sith and Jedi trying to kill you because of the idiotic extremes they take.

What's with all the kotor threads recently?

Also most grays don't really have a lot of room for control, I think being a gray is about fighting destiny to a certain extent. Kreia is kind of a good example.

I think it's because of how close TLJ is to release

For me it isn’t that. I can’t stand Nu-Star Wars. So kotor threads are great because it’s talking about great Star Wars before Disney got its claws into it.

Combat-wise the game's trash. Lore-wise it's fun
If you like starwars and like to read about star wars, this is the game for you. If you don't, then it's not
There's no problem with you, it's just moxie case.

Yeah, almost like she's too far up her own ass to understand morality at all.

That was Kreia huge problem. She honestly thought she had the grand answer but all she really did was just enjoy hearing herself talk. She didn’t solve anything and caused problems in both Jedi Order and the even the Sith.

>Be five
>Once every week, Watch star wars episode 4 and 6
>Be fourteen
>Spend hours not doing homework readin star wars comic books and novels
>Be Twentytwo
>Can't stomach the extended universe anymore
Fucking shame man. My only definitive characteristic as a child growing up was star wars fan and now a multibillion dollar corporation with their infinite budget managed to fuck that up in Rogue One and TFA

Don't get me wrong user, new canon has been really disapppointing for me too, almost to where I'm thinking of dropping it completely, but I also figure that TLJ release is sparking soem discussion with it being so close and all.

you should definitely play through both. they are whole different games if you go light/dark

Unfinished, rushed game with so much potential.

Bianna was Kriea's daughter fyi

She literally solved the problem of both the Jedi and the Sith
By getting rid of em

Kreia didn't fight destiny, she rode the fucking fate waterslide to it's full fucking conclusion. She has a giggle about it at the end while she's chatting you up. Everyone has been a puppet of fate the entire time. The force is just a pool full of ripples.

>Next Jedi purge when?
Roughly 3976 years until order 66 kicks off.

I think this is Luke’s philosophy in The Last Jedi.

I always though it was better to role play somewhat neutrally in this one. After all the established back story given to you, you'd be either a pretty hardened bad ass. Or you'd be desensitized and just trying to pick up the fragments of your broken life while trying to overcome complete extinction.

I know how you feel user

>childhood was rough and depressing
>one of the few things that ever gave me happiness was Star Wars
>now Disney has it and is ruining it

Disney is literally taking my childhood and taking a mondo duke on it. Fuck Disney.

If you worked for Disney and you wanted to make money, you'd be following the demographic to maximize your ROI. Sad fact, but the content that we all want is now our responsibility to produce, not Disney's.

I have hope that others will succeed in the face of this failure.

Because it's made by Obsidian.

>the content that we all want is now our responsibility to produce
What did he mean by this?

fan fiction I think

Wiping them all out wouldn't accomplish much. More would eventually be born somewhere you miss. Hell wiping out the entirety of the Jedi and the Sith, along with all of their teachings wouldn't even accomplish that much. Look at both in and out of universe: In universe the Jedi have been all but completely wiped out several times in legends and now at least twice in canon, once after order 66, and once again after Luke refounds them after RotJ and yet they always come back. Similarly now in canon the sith have all but been wiped out now at least twice: once when they presumably were destroyed a thousand years prior to the movies and existed in secret, and once again after RotJ when Vader and Palpatine die. Yet even after that something new that isn't all that different, the Knights of Ren quickly spring up to take the place of the Sith. Out of universe it lets producers recycle essentially the same story time after time with new faces. It's doomed to be a never ending cycle of war between light and dark. Out of universe it's easy to see whats happening, but within the universe that's what made Kreia special that she seemed to be the only one to recognize this never ending cycle that will always exist as long as the force is a thing.

Jedi and Sith are both pricks. I remember some EU thing where a Jedi presened the grey Jedi theory to Yoda, of there being just the Force as a whole. "Light" and "Dark" are just concepts that depends on intent. Yoda told him to shut the fuck up.

This is a community of passionate game lovers, and some of us desire to make our desires for a game into a reality. KotOR is not a terribly complex kind of game, past writing a story that isn't tits boring. It's space wizards. This can be done by amateur devs.

I'd support such a venture.

THIRTY
YEARS
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I write captain planet fan fiction, I wouldn't want to fuck with a large universe like star wars. Can't handle all that.

>Jedi come to power
>Sith wipe them out
>Jedi come back into power
>Sith wipe them out
>this repeats ad Infinitum
>nobody stops to think that maybe the Force doesn't look too kindly on their literal black and white view

>captain planet fan fiction

>nobody stops to think that maybe the Force doesn't look too kindly on their literal black and white view
Plenty have, the problem is that happens.

I find the concept of shortsighted teenagers with elemental control to be an interesting concept. In canon they almost start a nuclear holocaust. The bad guys are great, goofy evildoers. Lore isn't bad.

It started as a diversion and ended up being a little short story kind of thing later. Believe it or not :/

Wouldn't the Power Rangers be a better topic

In legends before nu-star wars that was essentially the philosophy of Jacen Solo, the basis at least in large part for Kylo Ren. Jacen was far more of a Revan like character than wanting to turn to the dark side for the sake of evil or power. Kreia suggests in Kotor 2 that Revan never "fell" to the dark side, but rather sacrificed himself to it intentionally to prevent a greater evil. Granted this was before the writers over a bioware came and took a huge shit on that idea and gave us SWTOR and the all powerful Gary Stu Emperor that just snapped his fingers and turned him to the dark side.

Fuck Jacen for starting the second GCW and corrupting Tahiri honestly. He went to far flow walking her.

Yoda and his Jedi Council clique is much of the reason why they were so ignorant to what was going on around them. Yoda was experienced but not all wise like they made him.

How is KOTOR on phones? I've got a Galaxy S7 and an urge to replay either 1 or 2.

Big toku fan, follow threads on /m/. But again, this is a little diversion when I'm in the mood. Don't want to do sentai in that respect.

Back to space wizards tho

Swtor may have been shit but Lana was a qt Sith who doesn’t deserve to be in a such a shit game.

Alabaster skin

He'd have probably done immensely well as grand master of the order during the time of the Jedi-Sith war predating Darth Bane's rule of two. His misfortune was presumably being born shortly after the establishment of the rule of two that allowed the Sith to grow, flourish, and adapt in all the ways that the Jedi under his leadership failed to do. He didn't recognize this until he went to face Sidious and failed to kill him.

I beat KOTOR like three months ago, is there any real difference gameplay wise when compared to its sucessor?

Well if you remember in episode one when Qui Gonn presented the news of the Sith they refused to believe it. Even as far as saying the Jedi wiped out the Sith long ago. This arrogance the Jedi Council had led to the downfall.

There's a bit more in the way of animations in sword and lightsaber use. Lightsabers are OPAF, but in this game the feat system is expanded to the point where just about any sort of build including ranged blaster pistols/rifles, or even unarmed is a viable way to play. The force power list isn't expanded that much, but it is expanded a bit to offer a bit more utility, and the end game powers are pretty entertaining for both dark and light side. The prestige classes are a decent concept that do add a bit of variety to what you can do depending on which one you take, but they don't radically change things all that much. Probably the biggest difference gameplay wise is that in kotor 2 intelligence isn't an entirely useless attribute like it was in kotor 1. Different skills come into play in various ways from crafting, to skill checks in dialogue that can alter the game a bit. If you're gonna play it the TSLRCM (restored content mod).

You start as a jedi instead of cross-classing over from a standard class, eventually you prestige. Force powers are better IMO. You'll enjoy it better with the content restoration pack.

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Why's it so good ?

Maybe I'm wrong but I have the feeling that if the Jedi weren't lead by someone who has a species that lives for such an incredibly long time they might have been able to better adapt, but as it was you're right Yoda, and by extension the rest of the Jedi Council were too rigid and set in their ways and belief that they had already won against the Sith even by the point of episode 1 that they'd long since already lost.

Just wondering, are pistols still the superior weapon in comparison to other ranged options? I beat KOTOR without touching the lightsaber at all, but it was pretty disappointing that my only option was to use Pistols

I've played through 3 or 4 times, at least twice as a caster with one pistol for the +3/+3 dueling perk, lighting is so borked it's unbelievable so the only thing you need is distance and WIS/CHA.

Party members alternate though, as long as someone can soak hits or cut through energy armor it really doesn't make a big difference. Bao-Dur enjoys having fuckno CON so yout have to supplement him with good armor for a melee build. Other than that you should just hot swap any character you find interesting at the moment.

>I think Kreia had a point to deafen everyone to the force, shame she changed her mind and decided you'd be better off going to Revan.
It would come at the cost of the entire galaxy. Not even a handful of people out of trillions would survive. Is that an acceptable risk and odds? Maybe no one will survive.

Yeah, but that's kinda due to the nature of the system. Raw damage wise one rifle > one pistol, but pistols get the advantage of not being limited to only a single one. So instead of one attack every round you get two. Add in rapid shot and/or master force speed and suddenly you start getting a lot more attacks per round with pistols than you do with rifles.
Honestly though it's very easy in kotor 2 to use a rifle as a main weapon. There's a new feat line that buffs the damage you do with blasters of all types and makes it easier for you to hit lightsaber users. The dual pistols are gonna do more raw damage, but that's the same way with double bladed light saber or two sabers versus a single saber. Thing is though, it really doesn't matter kotor 2 doesn't have a level cap at 20 like the original so regardless of what build you make whether its blaster rifle, single pistol, hell even completely unarmed you'll be plenty strong enough either way.

It was frustrating how useless rifles were. Heavy blasters even, fuck em. Melee had great variety. I used a fucking axe. Space axe. Wonderful.

What do you mean she 'thought she had the grand answer'. She did. The answer is literally the Force manipulating everything to the point where chance does not exist. It's impossible to solve the problem that humanity is selfish and anyone that uses the Force selfishly will be corrupt until becoming a hollow monster only seeking to gain more power. Kreia was literally fighting God and human nature at the same time.

>Wiping them all out wouldn't accomplish much. More would eventually be born somewhere you miss. Hell wiping out the entirety of the Jedi and the Sith, along with all of their teachings wouldn't even accomplish that much.
Pretty much. Even Kreia says so.
>For every Jedi and Sith slain, more rise up from the ashes
Even leaving a single Jedi and destroying the Sith forever restarted the cycle.

To be long lived you have to be able to adapt well. It wasn't just Yoda that was at fault, it was the issue with the order itself.

Actually really liked Rogue One myself, half of what captivated me about the series as a kid was the space battles and dogfights, and then the prequel trilogy came out and laid it way too heavy on the space wizards, of the only two real space battle scenes, one was a clusterfuck of CGI where the battle was only really there as a backdrop and wasn't given any attention and the other was a kid literally fucking up and accidentally a command ship. Rogue One's story was trash, but it might have been the best damn dogfight scene I've seen come out of SW ever.

>There will never be another rogue squadron game.
Why do people only care about the space wizards with their laser swords?

The problem with the 'Force as a whole' theory is that it's likely right but it is using the Force selfishly that creates the Dark Side of the Force and corrupts. Having your cake and eating it too makes you believe that there are no consequences for using the Force selfishly and that using all manners of the Force is fine (see Potentium, always advocated by Grey Jedi idiots)

I hate to be a dick but Kreia was trapped in a moral dilemma that Calvinists eventually moved past. Though I guess if you can shoot lightning you might decide that something can be done to change this.

Why the fuck she didn't take up swoop racing or private archiving is beyond me for that kind of bored intellectual type.

>Why do people only care about the space wizards with their laser swords?
Because people know subconsciously that they are the core of Star Wars and everything revolves around them.

Yes, using all manners of the force, light or dark is fine as long as you use it for good reasons. because really those are just names placed on the force by people reason matters, not alignment.

I like-a the RPG with-a the laser sward. At this point all I hold onto are the laser swords and the goofy aliens. The other titles aren't my thing, though I know they're good.

>Why the fuck she didn't take up swoop racing or private archiving is beyond me for that kind of bored intellectual type.
If you ask Hanharr, he tells you: Kreia just wants to find the truth, and it drove her made. It's the same motivation as Ravel.