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Best expansion, should be the framework for every expansion

WoW classic is going to be shit

Im worried they will fuck it up somehow

So if I understand this correctly of the original trilogy-Vanilla/BC/Wrath-Wrath was the worst which brought about the downfall of the game as a whole, but was carried entirely by Arthas, correct?

Worry, because they will

I think it went to shit during cata

I liked how Blizzard just decided to pull the entire aesthetic from Jackson's LotR movies, then proceed to make it look fucktarded.

What do u think they will do

Stop giving me Doom Pact you fucking faggot and start giving me literally anything else

I wanted to see Jaina ascend, for some reason

No

If we treat WoW classic as a 'new timeline' what happens if horde/alliance never go through the dark portal or invade northrend?

Wrath was the height of WoW easily but it brought in things that would lead to the downfall of it for sure. It was a bittersweet expansion

Worst expansion, his fight was the only good thing about it
Pretty much

>Mentioning ICC
>Not glorious Ulduar

>if horde/alliance never go through the dark portal
Legion is defeated 10 years earlier
>or invade northrend
Lich King probably invades Azeroth at some point

thicc Sauron

Ulduar is meme raid people only loved because it was between two worst raid tiers in the history of game.
And I didn't praised icc as a whole, but lk fight even on normal was god tier.

more like BITCH king

As much as i hate to say it i actually enjoy legion

I like his style, would much prefer to serve under him than serve in the Alliance or Horde

What if WoW 2 was just the eastern kingdoms but it's total area was the same size as the entirety of retail?

I would play that

Same. A to-scale WoW would be amazing

that still wouldn't be to scale though

Id like to see TBC and WotLK a couple years after the classic servers are released. Kinda gave up on WoW after vanilla so it would be fun hav8ng a lot of fresh content

>I'd like to see wotlk
Trust me, you don't.
It was terrible without any redeeming qualities.

Wrath was the best expansion. The game was shit until it came out.
Warcraft 3
Warcraft 3: The Frozen Throne
World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King
That's the kino Warcraft trilogy.

>kino
how to spot the fag

I wouldn't want it to be to scale, otherwise then you would absolutely need flying mounts.

Specifically since TFT last left Illidan licking his wounds in Azeroth if not Northrend with the contingent of blood elves that he had brought with him, TBC had to happen one way or the other if for nothing else than to explain what he was up to since being defeated by Arthas.

>best expansion
>half the content either rushed as fuck or cancelled outright

No

Ulduar is not a "meme raid" fucktard. To this day it is the only raid that requires people to have to actually approach the raid differently to activate hardmode instead of selecting a box on the UI. I bet you never do firefighter without gear scumming it. Get out pleb.

>Discuss
These threads are so fucking lazy and I bet the op never sticks around more then 5 mins due to their autism

You forgot part where some hard modes were easier than "normal" while others were obviously how fights were designed from the start and were cut for the casual audience to the normal mode.
Both are terrible design choices.
Obsidian Sanctum literally had Ulduar style hardmode with +3
And let's not forget naxx where blizzard cut dance mechanic and made it achievement instead of instant kill like it was, literally Ulduar style hardmode too.
>Bbbbbut I started in wotlk and it my first real raid and pressing big button felt amazing
Not an argument

Lich King was a shitty villain. I much prefer Arthas - he actually had a personality, a dry sense of humor. Lich King is just Sauron with dead guys instead of orcs.

Holy shit, wotlk kid was savagely BTFO
Hope he will never dare to praise ulduar ever again

He has a cool voice tho.

>some hard modes were easier than "normal"
were they?

glad you could bake it, uther

Reminder that if Arthas didn't purge stratholme,the entirety of lordearon would have gotten overrun by zombies.Having Uther and Jaina there to help keep him in check would have lessened the strain on him for comitting such an act and completely changed the outcome.

I wonder what his contingency plan was.

Yeah, okay Arthas. Good to hear.

I mean Ner'zhul's contingency plan if Arthas had not fallen for Mal'ganis' bait.

>tease apocalypse move
>never use it on raid

This. People seem to forget that the first raid tier was a rehash and a one room lazy dragon raid. Then we got Ulduar which was the mangum opus of the vanilla/bc team.
Then a filler 1.5 room raid.
Then ICC and a filler one room raid nobody bothered to do for over a year until the next expac hit.

Arthas was the best choice,but anyone could have gotten frostmourne,the plan was simply to get rid of the dreadlords
Arthas is cool

Tbh I wouldn’t even mind a return of the lich king expac if done well. Outside of ulduar a the other raids ranged from shit to average. ICC was insanely underwhelming for how important it was, the lich king fight was amazing though. The story itself wasn’t that great zone to zone, Arthas was way too incompetent or indifferent about your presence considering how prevalent he was in most zones. It made so little sense how he didn’t have complete control of all of north rend either

NO NO NO NO NOO NOOOO NOOO NO NO NO!

cool speculation Arthas

every fucking one of them was retarded in that scene
Arthas went full nuclear and genocided whole city even though he didn't know how many people were infected, didn't explain his views properly and rather went full arrogant on Uther.
Uther left instead of stopping him, even though he was his superior, and let innocent people die.
Jaina just left even though she probably had the power to convince Arthas to not do this.

Well for starts, im pretty sure 90% of the female plate/chainmail sets are going to be "problematic"

1,12 patch like all wotlk kids who only played vanilla on nostr and heard about it from memes demand

wrong, stratholm was just 1 city. The reason the lich king lured arthas to be his champion is because he needed him to undermine lorderan from within and exhaust the royal army in northrend

fag

>even though he didn't know how many people were infected
All of them. I played the fucking mission.

Except if Uther or Jaina had just taken Arthas at his word then maybe they could have convinced him not to go for an obvious trap.

>Stratholm was just 1 city

Wrong again, muradin was with him in the end and arthas gave 0 fucks. Only by dragging him kicking and screaming could they have stopped him

>I WAS THERE MAN

Sadly this. HALF of WotLK was 10/10, a fourth of it was fun but rehash, the last fourth was literally single room boring raids. Every zone except Borean Tundra was fun as fuck to level in though.

Oh really,after all the shit he had done at that point he wouldn't just turn around and stop?
The stratholme situation was entirely different sincie it was the start of it all.

>wotlk kids didn't play vanilla
Reminder we leveled through it.
And with much scarier L80 gankers than you old fuckers ever had to deal with.

Firstly, no, not all of them were canonically infected, that was only for gameplay purposes.
Secondly, even if they were, Arthas had no way of knowing that, so he was in the wrong anyway.

WRONG AGAIN BOY, it all started when arthas was born. The lich king chose him to be his champion because he KNEW that he was a cunt. The game even foreshadows it for you like every mission when he talks like a 60s cartoon gi joe hero but then breaks character all the time to order slayings of his enemys and talk shit.

Ulduar, Arthas, and Northrend in general made it amazing, but some of the things that were introduced were pretty much the beginning of the end.

TBC would be the superior expansion if it weren't for Ulduar and ICC.

Easy for you to say.

>canonically
I'm not interested in some WoW retcon, Arthas did nothing wrong
>Arthas had no way of knowing that
>destroy a house
>inhabitants run out
>they all transform into zombies
>this happens every time
>start killing them before they zombify
Again, 100% legit

>I'm not interested in what actually happened
of course you're not, you're only interested in your headcanon

>headcanon
>it's literally in the game
Nice try, WoWbabby

Actually one timeline does explore the possibility of Jaina sticking with him for Stratholme. Shit gets even worse because Jaina breaks hard and becomes the Lich Queen.

...

pfffff who wrote that slag?

tl;dr Ner'zhul notices Jaina trippin' balls on magic compared to Arthas, goes "oh yeah, I want me some of that" and turns her into his champion instead.

Not him, but if you play through the mission with the Dreadlord attacking Stratholme, every time Arthas' group breaks open a house, the villagers pour out, wait a few seconds, and then transform into a scourge zombie. Literally all of the houses did that. The point of the mission was to beat the Dreadlord in kills.

I played through it a few days ago.

I also remember The Culling of Stratholme, and they definitely made what Arthas did seem more sinister for narrative purposes in World of Warcraft. In Warcraft 3, he starts to get more 'evil' once he reaches Northrend.

Raid difficulty was handled perfectly in ulduar with optional mechanics on bosses that changed the fight.

Now we have a four separate difficulties for every raid (not to mention that LFR is an abomination in itself).

Why the fuck did they ruin something that was perfect?

Guldan>Bitch Emo King

Guldan was a legion loving faggot who got buttfucked twice. Ner'zhul cut his own path and even the Legion was terrified of him.

who ever wrote that is a retard, it undermines nerzhul as a character hard.

He is evil from the start of the campaign man, play through it again. If you click on him enough he breaks his GE i JOE act and says "I should be in command" in his orc slaying voice.

Too lazy/uncreative to think of new activators for the hard modes (their words)

All you're mentioning is raids. You are forgetting the dungeons and leveling you dip.

I guess 'multiple timelines' really means 'infinite universes'.

What if Ner'zhul's just hiding in the helmet and pretending to be retarded until Blizzard's killed off all the Horde leaders and N'zoth?

(until they buttfucked him too)

>Legion loving
The only thing he loved was power and Legion was the only one out there willing to give it.
>even the Legion was terrified of him
Nope. Ner'zhul managed to annoy the Legion by directing their pet project away from its purpose and got iced for it.

>tfw disembarked in borean
I-it wasn't that bad, don't bully my starting zone!

I like his and Illidan's story of power and strength.

Best villain of the series.
Up until ICC spilled his spaghetti.

>that whole questline with shota-Arthas about how he threw his heart away
I still don't know what the fuck was going on with that.

Same.

Was the death of Arthas the moment Blizzard became nu Blizzard?

>one room lazy dragon raid
>not completing 3-drakes

The Lich King was a good villain, but arthas wasn't, he really was some proud boy courting war, incapable of doing anything worthwile without Terennas and Uther covering for him

>not "Thrall is literally the only person capable of saving the world" in Cataclysm
Metzen finally went full self-insert.

they will most likely go overboard with "QoL" improvements
I am certain Blizzard is going to try to balance the classes (due to player demand) especially for pvp and will just lock themselves in balance patches desperately trying to get worthless specs into viability
Raid difficulties will probably get added as well, especially since they will be cleared much faster than they were in vanilla
Other than that I can see them adding LFD without the teleporting and maybe even removing ammo reagents and soul shards

>LFD without the teleporting
That's exactly what meeting stones are though.

you should've seen the amount whining from the community about not having time/skill to raid...
then LFR came
Blizz made it super shitty in WoD to make actual raiding look more appealing (there were no tier drops in LFR and items looked super generic)
And people bitched and moaned about having to look for a guild or group to run raids and not being able to just afk and clear bosses
So in Legion LFR tier sets came back and to make matters worse you could get titanforged shit in LFR not to mention welfare legendaries

meeting stones got summoning portals until patch 2.0.1
they used to be like queues. you would walk up to one and queue up for that dungeon and find players who also walked up to them

Why don't they run cycles through the patches?
Give players a few options for riding the waves or staying put for the next one, allow them to rev up for & attempt the same limited-time events like an-quraj but with several months between while the servers cycle through patches?

Would have some hiccups due to the frequent changes, but all the content, the pitfalls, the fixes, they're all already completed & laid out.

This includes scaling up to the expacs.


>muh fragmented community
If they could figure out a way to let characters from the future ghost around with minimal opportunities to interact that'd be pretty swell.
Also, people would have alts for when the cycles reach a particular spot & a few specific builds are broke-as-fuck.
Would keep things linked together.

The Lich King was three entities: Arthas, his innocence and Nerzhul

The reason why the Lich King didn't genocide the world with undead before wotlk was because there was a three way battle of control going on in his mind. His innocence was keeping both of them from doing that, so Arthas threw it down a saronite pit under ICC. Later the book he outright killed his innocence AND Nerzhul in a psychic battle, taking full control of the army.

The first time a human and an orc agreed on something